Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[Beorn]

Bad Euroleague player gets signed to a 2-way. .

Fixed this for you

[Daver]

Would anyone on this board approve a middleton for collins rondo n gallinaro(sp) trade what say you

[MKE_Beers]

Would anyone on this board approve a middleton for collins rondo n gallinaro(sp) trade what say you

I saw the article that brought up this trade and thought about adding a little more.

If we include Brolo and DJ to get back Bogdan it might make a little more sense. Not saying I would do it, but it would certainly be interesting.

https://tradenba.com/trades/f0rWT0QYT

[WRau1]

Would anyone on this board approve a middleton for collins rondo n gallinaro(sp) trade what say you

If we could add DJA + filler and Bogdan to the deal without giving up DDV, then fine.

[paulpressey25]

You probably know this but JJ isn't eligible for a 2-way.

Right--I'm assuming April 7th. The Axel thing seems sort of pointless unless they need practice bodies.

[paulpressey25]

Would anyone on this board approve a middleton for collins rondo n gallinaro(sp) trade what say you

Feel like John Collins is an empty stat player. Need to better understand if we think he can defend and thus replace Brook with a much better player. We'd get his RFA rights, to match any contract offer this summer, but some feel he may get a max offer from some team (don't think he's worth that).

That said, I'd be intrigued simply because we'd get three guys we could all play rotationally at a decently high level, and we'd diversify our salary risk, and gain some nice salary slots. Those feel very important to me right now.

[Matches Malone]

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[coolhandluke121]

I'm open to Khris trade ideas but Collins and an aging Gallo aren't the answer. Rather get one player of Gallo's caliber with 2 good glue guys than a pseudostar like Collins.

[raferfenix]

Tucker isn't worth any package we'd have to put together to match salary, nevermind adding picks.

If he hits the buyout market, fine but I'd be annoyed if we traded literally anything for him

I don't know if all Tucker would cost is Augustin + Wilson that seems like a solid return to me.

That said I'm skeptical Augustin's salary next season would be worth holding onto so just dumping him for an ending contract has some value.

On the other hand we don't have many tradeable salary slots as is. From that perspective there's opportunity cost if we could send the DJ's elsewhere for a player more likely to be on our roster next year.

[DingleJerry]

I'm open to Khris trade ideas but Collins and an aging Gallo aren't the answer. Rather get one player of Gallo's caliber with 2 good glue guys than a pseudostar like Collins.

Or since Khris is doing well just keep holding him until the upgrade to a true star shows itself. Say the Beal deal finally can happen, or the equivalent of him in the next year or two that comes up. Personally I'd rather use Jrue since he's older and gonna have more years left on his deal (assuming he signs for 4-5 years), but either way you get the idea.

[EastSideBucksFan]

John Collins is not the answer, certainly not to give up Middleton for.

Only interested in Middleton trades where a clearly better player is coming back, ie: Beal, Curry.

If Collins knew how to defend, they wouldn't have needed to trade for Capela.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm open to Khris trade ideas but Collins and an aging Gallo aren't the answer. Rather get one player of Gallo's caliber with 2 good glue guys than a pseudostar like Collins.

Or since Khris is doing well just keep holding him until the upgrade to a true star shows itself. Say the Beal deal finally can happen, or the equivalent of him in the next year or two that comes up. Personally I'd rather use Jrue since he's older and gonna have more years left on his deal (assuming he signs for 4-5 years), but either way you get the idea.

The devil's in the details. Depends on who's available and what they're asking for. I defend Khris because I think his critics are a little more preoccupied with aesthetics and flash than substance, but I do think he settles back into that top 40-ish range over the next few years, and lower than that eventually. That's usually not what a team trading a Beal/Towns is looking for.

So you could make a case for not waiting too long, but in any case I think they pretty much have to see how this group plays in the playoffs before they do anything at all drastic unless it's a no-brainer.

[DingleJerry]

I'm open to Khris trade ideas but Collins and an aging Gallo aren't the answer. Rather get one player of Gallo's caliber with 2 good glue guys than a pseudostar like Collins.

Or since Khris is doing well just keep holding him until the upgrade to a true star shows itself. Say the Beal deal finally can happen, or the equivalent of him in the next year or two that comes up. Personally I'd rather use Jrue since he's older and gonna have more years left on his deal (assuming he signs for 4-5 years), but either way you get the idea.

The devil's in the details. Depends on who's available and what they're asking for. I defend Khris because I think his critics are a little more preoccupied with aesthetics and flash than substance, but I do think he settles back into that top 40-ish range over the next few years, and lower than that eventually. That's usually not what a team trading a Beal/Towns is looking for.

So you could make a case for not waiting too long, but in any case I think they pretty much have to see how this group plays in the playoffs before they do anything at all drastic unless it's a no-brainer.

True, but you need a contract to match and it's better to have a good player attached to the big contract. But, the talk of holding does get me to thinking about Khris' next contract, would definitely want him traded while having value rather than getting to that point. Hopefully something comes up that makes sense. Or, well obviously hopefully they just win but I don't think it's gonna happen this year or next with the current setup unless they get really lucky somewhere

[coolhandluke121]

Tucker isn't worth any package we'd have to put together to match salary, nevermind adding picks.

If he hits the buyout market, fine but I'd be annoyed if we traded literally anything for him

What if the Bucks get their 2022 pick back, which Houston owns? Personally I'd give up Brook and a second for PJ and the pick, although obviously it's just a thought experiment since neither team seems likely to want that right now.

[coolhandluke121]

. Or, well obviously hopefully they just win but I don't think it's gonna happen this year or next with the current setup unless they get really lucky somewhere

This is one of those places where I diverge with most of the board. I just don't share the pessimism about winning this year. I know the regular season hasn't been nearly as much fun as the last two years, but it's no more a predictor of playoff disappointment than the last two years of regular season dominance were a predictor of playoff dominance. They should be a really good playoff team IMO and I have no problem with them flying under the radar.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm surprised some are disappointed in adding Toupane. I think he's better than past 2 way players Cam Reynolds, Bonnie Colson, Trevon Duvall, and both Adams.

If Torrey Craig is dealt, adding Toupane makes a ton of sense.

[DingleJerry]

. Or, well obviously hopefully they just win but I don't think it's gonna happen this year or next with the current setup unless they get really lucky somewhere

This is one of those places where I diverge with most of the board. I just don't share the pessimism about winning this year. I know the regular season hasn't been nearly as much fun as the last two years, but it's no more a predictor of playoff disappointment than the last two years of regular season dominance were a predictor of playoff dominance. They should be a really good playoff team IMO and I have no problem with them flying under the radar.

I'd generally agree. Or at least that they're not for sure worse than last year, could see them actually being better in playoffs with Jrue. But, BKN didn't exist last year and Lakers are better(if healthy) than last year. To me it's more that those two teams as comp are the problem, not that MKE got worse. Plus Phil is better if Embiid is back.

I'd probably say we're ballpark the same as last year as of now, worse depth but better top end. Hopefully deadline helps depth which could make them better. To me it's just that other teams got so much better.

[JayMKE]

Just don’t give up any value for PJ Tucker ffs

[coolhandluke121]

This is one of those places where I diverge with most of the board. I just don't share the pessimism about winning this year. I know the regular season hasn't been nearly as much fun as the last two years, but it's no more a predictor of playoff disappointment than the last two years of regular season dominance were a predictor of playoff dominance. They should be a really good playoff team IMO and I have no problem with them flying under the radar.

I'd generally agree. Or at least that they're not for sure worse than last year, could see them actually being better in playoffs with Jrue. But, BKN didn't exist last year and Lakers are better(if healthy) than last year. To me it's more that those two teams as comp are the problem, not that MKE got worse. Plus Phil is better if Embiid is back.

Only LAL is as good as or better than the 2019 playoff Raptors IMO, and even that is probably closer than it looks IMO. LAL just has more potential reasons to fail than those Raptors did, even though they're clearly better when AD and Lebron are 100%. And the Bucks nearly went up 3-0 on those Raptors. I really think the Bucks just had to forget 2020 ever happened and upgrade Bledsoe from the 2019 ECF team, which they've done.

[DingleJerry]

Probably fair. But just in general, I viewed us clear faves each of the last two years (before covid) to win the East. And I was also one saying not to sleap on Tor going into that series, even while still thinking we're clear faves on them. We didn't know GSW would go down in 19, but obviously that turned out an easy finals. Last year clear east faves then coinflips vs the LA teams. This year, no way I can say that even though I think we're about the same. IMO we're clear dogs to BKN and the Lakers.

On the other hand, as much as Jrue over Bled helps. The drop from Malcolm/Hill down to DDV/Pat/DJA/Forbes is pretty stark too.

ETA: to add DDV