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Post#1261 » by psman2 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:06 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:3 2nds and Snell for Fournier?

Could be done with the OKC pick, but I expect there will be a freak out over the potential of it to be a 1st. Still might be better.


Fournier has been plagued by back spasms and a groin injury this year missing nearly half the season. These are injuries that could persist into the 2nd half of the season. I don't see a 1st on the table for him with matching expirings as of right now from anyone, so yes 3 2nds (depending on the 2nds) is likely the top of his trade market.
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Post#1262 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:08 pm

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HartfordWhalers wrote:3 2nds and Snell for Fournier?

Could be done with the OKC pick, but I expect there will be a freak out over the potential of it to be a 1st. Still might be better.


Fournier has been plagued by back spasms and a groin injury this year missing nearly half the season. These are injuries that could persist into the 2nd half of the season. I don't see a 1st on the table for him with matching expirings as of right now from anyone, so yes 3 2nds (depending on the 2nds) is likely the top of his trade market.


OKC 1st is one shot lotto protected, if not 2 2nds, so I don't have it as much more than 3 2nds But the chance that it is probably derails any deal involving it and cleaner with known 2nds.
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Post#1263 » by Buzzard » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:14 pm

eminence wrote:What do y'all think GS would need to add to Oubre to get Turner? What's his value at these days? Either Wiseman or the MIN pick strike me as just a bit rich initially, but probably within the right range, concerned I may be biased though.

I think you are right there. I would prefer the pick. Now that LeVert is back, its going to be interesting to see Indy play at near full strength. They have been faltering ever since that trade and Warren's injury. I like LeVert but I am not sure his impact will be enough to make a huge difference.

With Warren being out and LeVert missing so much time, I think this would be a good tank year for Indy. Imagine two lottery picks this season. Then start next season with a healthy Brogdon, LeVert, McDermott, Sabonis, and Warren.
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Post#1264 » by eminence » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:17 pm

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eminence wrote:What do y'all think GS would need to add to Oubre to get Turner? What's his value at these days? Either Wiseman or the MIN pick strike me as just a bit rich initially, but probably within the right range, concerned I may be biased though.

I think you are right there. I would prefer the pick. Now that LeVert is back, its going to be interesting to see Indy play at near full strength. They have been faltering ever since that trade. I like LeVert but I am not sure his impact will be enough to make a huge difference.

With Warren being out and LeVert missing so much time, I think this would be a good tank year for Indy. Imagine two lottery picks this season. Then start next season with a healthy Brogdon, LeVert, McDermott, Sabonis, and Warren.


I have to imagine with Turner incoming GS would prefer it be Wiseman, but maybe they'd look elsewhere to move him.

How valuable is J. Holiday?
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Post#1265 » by psman2 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:21 pm

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eminence wrote:What do y'all think GS would need to add to Oubre to get Turner? What's his value at these days? Either Wiseman or the MIN pick strike me as just a bit rich initially, but probably within the right range, concerned I may be biased though.

I think you are right there. I would prefer the pick. Now that LeVert is back, its going to be interesting to see Indy play at near full strength. They have been faltering ever since that trade. I like LeVert but I am not sure his impact will be enough to make a huge difference.

With Warren being out and LeVert missing so much time, I think this would be a good tank year for Indy. Imagine two lottery picks this season. Then start next season with a healthy Brogdon, LeVert, McDermott, Sabonis, and Warren.


I have to imagine with Turner incoming GS would prefer it be Wiseman, but maybe they'd look elsewhere to move him.

How valuable is J. Holiday?


I got Holiday with a late 20+ 1st in value. There is always a market for 3nD forwards on a good contract.
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Post#1266 » by Buzzard » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:28 pm

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Buzzard wrote:I think you are right there. I would prefer the pick. Now that LeVert is back, its going to be interesting to see Indy play at near full strength. They have been faltering ever since that trade. I like LeVert but I am not sure his impact will be enough to make a huge difference.

With Warren being out and LeVert missing so much time, I think this would be a good tank year for Indy. Imagine two lottery picks this season. Then start next season with a healthy Brogdon, LeVert, McDermott, Sabonis, and Warren.


I have to imagine with Turner incoming GS would prefer it be Wiseman, but maybe they'd look elsewhere to move him.

How valuable is J. Holiday?


I got Holiday with a late 20+ 1st in value. There is always a market for 3nD forwards on a good contract.

I agree. His improved shooting from last season has carried over. Its very unusual for a 30 year old to make that big of a jump; but so far so good :D
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Post#1268 » by AingesBurner » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:28 pm

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Post#1269 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:31 pm

Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.
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Post#1270 » by bondom34 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:38 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.

Rumor is teams are interested in Luka. Wondering if Dort and one of the Clippers firsts gets him to OKC.
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Post#1271 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:41 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.

Rumor is teams are interested in Luka. Wondering if Dort and one of the Clippers firsts gets him to OKC.


You don't want him. He's fat and takes too many stepbacks. Plus he peaked at 16. And he whines a lot. And he hasn't ever won in the playoffs. What you must be hearing is planted by Dallas to drive up interest in him.
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Post#1272 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:41 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.

Rumor is teams are interested in Luka. Wondering if Dort and one of the Clippers firsts gets him to OKC.


I don't know about the fit.
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Post#1273 » by Buzzard » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:48 pm

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Post#1274 » by eminence » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:49 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.


Did you think my GS deal was a solid offer?
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Post#1275 » by bondom34 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:51 pm

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I think the Hawks will be watching from the sidelines this season. But Orlando is looking to get busy for a change! My only request of all eastern teams, please send all your good players out west. The Hawks want to make the playoffs :D

I'll be honest, I still think Orlando keeps their guys, except maybe (maybe) Fournier. Granted, it doesn't actually make a difference in the playoff race, but they're so stuck in the mud it feels like.
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Post#1276 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:52 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.


Did you think my GS deal was a solid offer?


I mean we don't know the specifics for the Pacers, but I would have Oubre/Wiseman a serious offer in terms of value definitely. You certainly weren't trying to just steal him.
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Post#1277 » by Buzzard » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:55 pm

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I think the Hawks will be watching from the sidelines this season. But Orlando is looking to get busy for a change! My only request of all eastern teams, please send all your good players out west. The Hawks want to make the playoffs :D

I'll be honest, I still think Orlando keeps their guys, except maybe (maybe) Fournier. Granted, it doesn't actually make a difference in the playoff race, but they're so stuck in the mud it feels like.

I hope they start making moves for some fresh players ( picks ). But I really don't want to see Boston or any other 4 - 8 seed like team in the east improve for obvious reasons.
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Post#1278 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:38 pm

So basically, it's what most of us thunder fans said. Horford is available and we don't expect much positive value but we aren't using assets to move him. If we keep him, so be it.

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Post#1279 » by jbk1234 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:42 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:So basically, it's what most of us thunder fans said. Horford is available and we don't expect much positive value but we aren't using assets to move him. If we keep him, so be it.

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This reads that the Thunder actually want an asset for him, which seems a bit optimistic to me.
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Post#1280 » by ThunderBolt » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:51 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:So basically, it's what most of us thunder fans said. Horford is available and we don't expect much positive value but we aren't using assets to move him. If we keep him, so be it.

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This reads that the Thunder actually want an asset for him, which seems a bit optimistic to me.

Actually it does. I read it as "interested" and not as "uninterested". Doubt that happens. Regardless, my main point about not using assets to dump him stands. Unless I can't read that correctly either.
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