"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[djFan71]

Imagine ainge pulls off Collins for grant Langford 2 2nds we’d be dancing in the street

Change the 2 2nds to a first and that's about where I live. How much more are they gonna get for a pending RFA if they aren't planning on signing him?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Okay you nerds.

Smart or Timelord.

If you could only keep one.

This is like asking me which one of my testicles would you rather keep. And the answer would be the same for - I love them both equally, and I don’t want to see either one go.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

A team is hard-capped only when they're the recipient of the S&T'd player. Kemba was an S&T even though we didn't have to do it that way.

Take out "cap stuff" and that meme is perfect.

Also, you don't meme me. I meme you. But since you're a mod, I will allow it.

It's perks like this that made me reluctantly accept being one.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Dude there’s no way Collins value is grant Langford and 2 2nds come on fellas

I think you guys are really underrating the cap/contract part of this. Guys who are about to hit RFA in a market filled with teams with a lot of cash to spend dont have that much value. Also, young guys still on rookie contracts are considered valuable. I know the thought here among a lot of people is that Langford and Nesmith have no value around the league because we haven't seen them do anything yet, but I think executives dont see it that way with all these young guys, especially if they liked them in the draft.

Your points are valid about Collins’ value, but that offer being thrown around is easily beatable, even by teams who don’t want to keep Collins beyond this season.

[Ernest]

Again it depends on the deal. If Ainge gets a great offer for Kemba and refuses he should be fired.

"If Ainge... blah blah blah.... he should be fired"

Not singling you out, but you can read some version of this on almost every page of these threads. Come on people thing of something original to say for a change. Like how we should bring back Rondo. This thought brought to you by Goose Island IPA.

This is a little different. Kemba Walker is crippling the Celtics with his performance and his contract the next few years. If you have a chance to move him and get back a better situation you do it or you really are not the right person for the job and should move on.

Ok fair point.

If Ainge were to blow up the TD Garden, I think he should be fired.

If Ainge Murders anyone before or after the trade deadline, I think he should be fired.

You're really missing my point.

[MagicBagley18]

Dude there’s no way Collins value is grant Langford and 2 2nds come on fellas

I think you guys are really underrating the cap/contract part of this. Guys who are about to hit RFA in a market filled with teams with a lot of cash to spend dont have that much value. Also, young guys still on rookie contracts are considered valuable. I know the thought here among a lot of people is that Langford and Nesmith have no value around the league because we haven't seen them do anything yet, but I think executives dont see it that way with all these young guys, especially if they liked them in the draft.

I understand the cap dynamics really well- grant Langford and 2 2nd is a **** sandwich and Atlanta won’t take that deal lol.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I just don’t understand why Atlanta would want Langford/Nesmith when they already have so many wings..

[MagicBagley18]

Dude there’s no way Collins value is grant Langford and 2 2nds come on fellas

I think you guys are really underrating the cap/contract part of this. Guys who are about to hit RFA in a market filled with teams with a lot of cash to spend dont have that much value. Also, young guys still on rookie contracts are considered valuable. I know the thought here among a lot of people is that Langford and Nesmith have no value around the league because we haven't seen them do anything yet, but I think executives dont see it that way with all these young guys, especially if they liked them in the draft.

Your points are valid about Collins’ value, but that offer being thrown around is easily beatable, even by teams who don’t want to keep Collins beyond this season.

That deal is a joke and you don’t have to know the cap gymnastics to know that if that was an actual deal it would have been done by now or easily beaten

[ILC]

Imagine ainge pulls off Collins for grant Langford 2 2nds we’d be dancing in the street

Change the 2 2nds to a first and that's about where I live. How much more are they gonna get for a pending RFA if they aren't planning on signing him?

I find it hard to believe they'll let him go without a Theis level player to at least somewhat replace Collins' production. They fired their coach, they are under huge pressure to make the POs, I don't see them basically just giving up almost 20/10 production and not replacing it at all. Langford/Nesmith are not playing much for them this season.

[31to6]

"If Ainge... blah blah blah.... he should be fired"

Not singling you out, but you can read some version of this on almost every page of these threads. Come on people thing of something original to say for a change. Like how we should bring back Rondo. This thought brought to you by Goose Island IPA.

This is a little different. Kemba Walker is crippling the Celtics with his performance and his contract the next few years. If you have a chance to move him and get back a better situation you do it or you really are not the right person for the job and should move on.

Ok fair point.

If Ainge were to blow up the TD Garden, I think he should be fired.

If Ainge Murders anyone before or after the trade deadline, I think he should be fired.

You're really missing my point.

Maybe there IS no “Danny Ainge”
Maybe there is no one to fire
Maybe there is no whatever Goose IPA

[MagicBagley18]

Couldn’t Atlanta just S&t like we also could and get back a deal just as **** in the offseason while also maintain a goal of post season or bust?

[BK_2020]

When was the last time a RFA with .5 season left was traded for multiple 1sts and prospects, especially when that RFA was not deemed worthy of a 25% max extension.

[31to6]

Dude there’s no way Collins value is grant Langford and 2 2nds come on fellas

I think you guys are really underrating the cap/contract part of this. Guys who are about to hit RFA in a market filled with teams with a lot of cash to spend dont have that much value. Also, young guys still on rookie contracts are considered valuable. I know the thought here among a lot of people is that Langford and Nesmith have no value around the league because we haven't seen them do anything yet, but I think executives dont see it that way with all these young guys, especially if they liked them in the draft.

I understand the cap dynamics really well- grant Langford and 2 2nd is a **** sandwich and Atlanta won’t take that deal lol.

Meanwhile we’re suggesting trades like Theis for KAT
It’s the most wonderful time of the year my friends!

[MagicBagley18]

When was the last time a RFA with .5 season left was traded for multiple 1sts and prospects, especially when that RFA was not deemed worthy of a 25% max extension.

Fine line between multiple firsts and 2nd and grant Williams tho

[yeleven11]

I think you guys are really underrating the cap/contract part of this. Guys who are about to hit RFA in a market filled with teams with a lot of cash to spend dont have that much value. Also, young guys still on rookie contracts are considered valuable. I know the thought here among a lot of people is that Langford and Nesmith have no value around the league because we haven't seen them do anything yet, but I think executives dont see it that way with all these young guys, especially if they liked them in the draft.

Your points are valid about Collins’ value, but that offer being thrown around is easily beatable, even by teams who don’t want to keep Collins beyond this season.

That deal is a joke and you don’t have to know the cap gymnastics to know that if that was an actual deal it would have been done by now or easily beaten

That would be dependent on what you see in Langford, no? That's really my point but I guess you disagree.

[ILC]

When was the last time a RFA with .5 season left was traded for multiple 1sts and prospects, especially when that RFA was not deemed worthy of a 25% max extension.

But also when was the last time a talent like Collins was traded for 2 2nds and a wing barely getting any playing time?

Collins is much more valuable to them than that. They will just keep him, try to make the POs and then at least get a S&T in the summer.

[BK_2020]

When was the last time a RFA with .5 season left was traded for multiple 1sts and prospects, especially when that RFA was not deemed worthy of a 25% max extension.

Fine line between multiple firsts and 2nd and grant Williams tho

Grant, Langford and 2 2nds is pretty hefty for half a season of John Collins. Beasley cost less for 1.5 season. Kennard cost less for a full season.

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[yeleven11]

When was the last time a RFA with .5 season left was traded for multiple 1sts and prospects, especially when that RFA was not deemed worthy of a 25% max extension.

But also when was the last time a talent like Collins was traded for 2 2nds and a wing barely getting any playing time?

Collins is much more valuable to them than that. They will just keep him, try to make the POs and then at least get a S&T in the summer.

"The wing barely getting any playing time" can easily be "recent lottery pick." Idk why people are so deadset on Romeo and Nesmith just being bums because they havent played yet. Yall have 0 patience lol.

[Homerclease]

If we don’t get Collins I’m blaming Comedian