Lavine extension and renegotiation

[Jcool0]

That doesn't change the facts. Those Lakers teams had Ingram, Russell and Randle become allstars and Ball is pretty solid too. They were completely mismanaged and had a bad coach.

What i just gave you are facts. What you said is an opinion. FYI Russell was dumped so they could lose Timofey Mozgov salary & they renounced Randles rights. They were not seen as anything.

Actually the fact is most of those guys became an all star. And the coach and FO who mismanaged those scenarios were fired, then they flipped a package built around ingram and ball for AD. Just because the bad buss and luke walton didn't see it is irrelevant.

Do you see Lauri, WC or Coby making an allstar team? I think if you asked Lakers fans, they definetely saw Ingram being an all star and flashes from the rest of something special. Not a bunch of bench guys.

So you are judging the players they were at the time based on how they play now? They weren't close to being all stars when let go. They were underachieving high draft picks.

[kodo]

They blew it not trying to extend him pre all star selection.

You can only extend him for $23.4M per year, that was never, ever going to happen even if he didn't improve. That's less than what Steven Adams and Horford make ($27.5M) to sit in the middle and grab rebounds.

He was always only going to sign a new contract, either renegotiated w/ Chicago or as a Unrestricted FA.

Any attempt to be miserly and save a few dollars with Lavine isn't even worth it. Even if we save like $5M per year, what does that even get us? Half of a Felicio? MLE, which are end of bench type players, is $9M per year. It's also just a bad look for an organization trying to compete with LA & NY as a destination and shed their cheap & losing image.

[ATRAIN53]

I didn't realize it was that limed, I just remember KC writing a piece at how they did have a date in Dec to extend him. I see now that was the 120% limit. He'd have been crazy to sign that.

This will be interesting to see what they do offer. All this talk about how we did get out of the Jimmy Butler game before we offered him a max deal. Look at where he took MN, PHILA and MIA.

and our centerpiece of that deal hasn't been able to get us to the playoffs yet - but now we're probably gonna pay him more than Butler.

and I LOVE Zach but I'd still rather have Butler. We raised that kid, he loved this city and would have resigned here of they offered.I can already hear him licking his chops at a shot taking us out in the playoffs if we make it.

He's not a top 20 player, will never lead your franchise....it's funny to re-read some of that stuff now and just swap the names....

[TheStig]

What i just gave you are facts. What you said is an opinion. FYI Russell was dumped so they could lose Timofey Mozgov salary & they renounced Randles rights. They were not seen as anything.

Actually the fact is most of those guys became an all star. And the coach and FO who mismanaged those scenarios were fired, then they flipped a package built around ingram and ball for AD. Just because the bad buss and luke walton didn't see it is irrelevant.

Do you see Lauri, WC or Coby making an allstar team? I think if you asked Lakers fans, they definetely saw Ingram being an all star and flashes from the rest of something special. Not a bunch of bench guys.

So you are judging the players they were at the time based on how they play now? They weren't close to being all stars when let go. They were underachieving high draft picks.

I'm saying that team was horrible mismanged and poorly run. Ingram and Ball also showed much more than anyone on the Bulls. Lot's of people thought Ingram was a future star. If anything, Ingram has been disappointing from what people predicted.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Ingram was all star last year, 25 ppg scorer with handles, capable of breaking defenses and max player as 23 yo player. So if Ingram was failure idk what you need to do for people to think he succeded. Lavine is all star this year so that return for Jimmy wasnt that bad. Lauri is when healthy basically 20 ppg scorer. Imo Jimmy was not the problem neither return that we got but rather very poorly constructed rosters around those former and current players. 90 Knicks had better spacing then three alpha team, guys like Zipser,Valentine and Mcdermott where drafted to high for their skill and talent level, same as White and Carter. We could have drafted or signed as fa starting unit like this Shai Zach Beasley Lauri Clarke or Brogdon Zach M.Porter Lauri Clarke. We supposedly were interested in Brogdon in fa, MPJ,Clarke in draft to end up with White,Carter and Sato,Young.