Knicks - Sixers PG

[NewKnicks]

beating up cupcakes doesn't make us any good. it's fools gold.

Still don’t get your point? I mean they are 20-21, nobody thinks this team is good, we are heading in the right direction yes, possible playoff team maybe? We know they are playing way over their heads, but still many positives from this franchise that hasn’t been seen in a long time

We came pretty close to beating two top teams in our division on their home court without two key players for us, DRose and Mitch. If Frank would only start hitting his shots again. He has to play more.

Nets were without Durant, and Philly was without Embiid. I'd say they were missing a hell of a lot more talent on the court than we were.

Plus, f*ck moral victories. It's time to start demanding more from this franchise.

[3toheadmelo]

Not CAA but major connections



Quickley was another guy with very strong connections to WWW and obviously Kenny Payne knew him as well.

My point stands though. Knicks wasn’t CAA only in the draft. To say that we were only picking between Haliburton, Obi and Vassell is a bit of a reach. Especially with Walt Perrin here.

well seeing how you don't believe anything written in that article I guess you can have that stance. I totally disagree with it though.

I guess we’ll find out in the next draft

[NewKnicks]

i guess the question is, does it pay in the long run to outplay your talent level early ? i think the answer is only if you attract the big names in free agency.

All it takes is one big name to want out and then Leon Rose might be sitting pretty if that player wants NY. But so far you haven't heard anyone that wants out...

The downside would be this is arguably the most loaded top 5 since the 2003 draft class.

And for me, the possibility of landing a potential franchise player in the draft far outweighs a team for one year playing over their talent level.

It's such a Knick thing that this is the year that we're going to play over our heads for a year. Such a shame, because this draft could go down as one of the best ever.

I'm totally fine if they drop big time in the second half and we get a few more ping pong balls. Maybe it could be a Ewing 2.0 frozen envelope.

[mpharris36]

My point stands though. Knicks wasn’t CAA only in the draft. To say that we were only picking between Haliburton, Obi and Vassell is a bit of a reach. Especially with Walt Perrin here.

well seeing how you don't believe anything written in that article I guess you can have that stance. I totally disagree with it though.

I guess we’ll find out in the next draft

I mean almost every single one of there FA signings were either CAA or Kentucky related as well. We shall see.

I mean is you look at the 8th pick. If they didn't take Obi the next few guys were

Deni (who I don't think the knicks had any interest in drafting an international guy)
Jalen Smith
Vassell
Haliburton
Kira
Nesmith

that rounded out the lottery

I think all things being equal for a team looking to win now (which clearly was the goal).

Haliburton being the best option and Vassell is probably the next best of the bunch and seeing most of the predraft reports that the knicks sent Thibs and WWW down to ATL to scout and meet with Vassell I think he was very much in play for there pick. With the obvious CAA connections as well.

[HarthorneWingo]

Rose makes the final decision so his son's client got the nepotistic nod.

Do you really think this is true? If so, we're screwed.

Aller isn't even the draft guy.

Aller is the cap guy.

If I had to guess the pecking order for draft picks it would be:

Leon Rose (final say)
WWW (right hand man to Leon)
Walt Perrin (the guy we brought over that ran the Jazz drafts).

Right, I meant Walt Perrin.

Does Wesley have any real front office experience/chops or is he just a schmoozer type.

[Capn'O]

Obi needs to go to G League to get some floor time where he doesn't look completely over matched and maybe he can work on his game but I'm sure Rose doesn't want to give the optics that his first lottery pick is so woefully equipped for the NBA.

These dudes need to swallow their pride and use the **** GLeague. It's honestly embarrassing that they don't to me.

They should have done this with Frank and Knox too.

[HarthorneWingo]

Ok, who wants to get a beating first?

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/ny-obi-toppin-dayton-draft-profile-20201015-ikqgnejy2zcplaestruyhilj24-story.html?outputType=amp

Obi Toppin signed with CAA agents Austin Brown and Mitch Nathan.

[HarthorneWingo]

Obi needs to go to G League to get some floor time where he doesn't look completely over matched and maybe he can work on his game but I'm sure Rose doesn't want to give the optics that his first lottery pick is so woefully equipped for the NBA.

These dudes need to swallow their pride and use the **** GLeague. It's honestly embarrassing that they don't to me.

They should have done this with Frank and Knox too.

It’s time that Knox gets another chance.

[3toheadmelo]

well seeing how you don't believe anything written in that article I guess you can have that stance. I totally disagree with it though.

I guess we’ll find out in the next draft

I mean almost every single one of there FA signings were either CAA or Kentucky related as well. We shall see.

I mean is you look at the 8th pick. If they didn't take Obi the next few guys were

Deni (who I don't think the knicks had any interest in drafting an international guy)
Jalen Smith
Vassell
Haliburton
Kira
Nesmith

that rounded out the lottery

I think all things being equal for a team looking to win now (which clearly was the goal).

Haliburton being the best option and Vassell is probably the next best of the bunch and seeing most of the predraft reports that the knicks sent Thibs and WWW down to ATL to scout and meet with Vassell I think he was very much in play for there pick. With the obvious CAA connections as well.

Knicks were gunning hard for Hayward... he isn’t CAA.

Wes, Rose and Perry also met with Kira Lewis and even spoke to his former coaches. He’s not CAA.

[HarthorneWingo]

I feel bad for Obi, he doesn't have an obsessed hive to dig through advanced stats everyday to find the one thing he was ok at or blame it all on the coach for the next 4 years.

I'll defend him a little by saying his game right now needs a pg to help him get going and the last few games he's had IQ who looks for his own points and Frank who drains the offense out of both teams. We really need the pgs back not just for him but to relieve the rest of the team too.

That’s so true. Look at it like he has a superpower that he has to learned to quite harness yet.

[mpharris36]

Do you really think this is true? If so, we're screwed.

Aller isn't even the draft guy.

Aller is the cap guy.

If I had to guess the pecking order for draft picks it would be:

Leon Rose (final say)
WWW (right hand man to Leon)
Walt Perrin (the guy we brought over that ran the Jazz drafts).

Right, I meant Walt Perrin.

Does Wesley have any real front office experience/chops or is he just a schmoozer type.

He has no front office experience. He is a people connector with a large rolodex. In this case his connections with IQ and his mother pushed for Leon to pick him which worked out great. I'm not sure if that way of scouting will work most of the time.

[mpharris36]

Ok, who wants to get a beating first?

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/ny-obi-toppin-dayton-draft-profile-20201015-ikqgnejy2zcplaestruyhilj24-story.html?outputType=amp

Obi Toppin signed with CAA agents Austin Brown and Mitch Nathan.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Still don’t get your point? I mean they are 20-21, nobody thinks this team is good, we are heading in the right direction yes, possible playoff team maybe? We know they are playing way over their heads, but still many positives from this franchise that hasn’t been seen in a long time

We came pretty close to beating two top teams in our division on their home court without two key players for us, DRose and Mitch. If Frank would only start hitting his shots again. He has to play more.

Nets were without Durant, and Philly was without Embiid. I'd say they were missing a hell of a lot more talent on the court than we were.

Plus, f*ck moral victories. It's time to start demanding more from this franchise.

We’re getting closer. I. Think we still have a move or two to make before we’re in the top 4. Getting the defense right first was important bc now we have a team identity.

Those losses still sting. I get it.

[mpharris36]

I guess we’ll find out in the next draft

I mean almost every single one of there FA signings were either CAA or Kentucky related as well. We shall see.

I mean is you look at the 8th pick. If they didn't take Obi the next few guys were

Deni (who I don't think the knicks had any interest in drafting an international guy)
Jalen Smith
Vassell
Haliburton
Kira
Nesmith

that rounded out the lottery

I think all things being equal for a team looking to win now (which clearly was the goal).

Haliburton being the best option and Vassell is probably the next best of the bunch and seeing most of the predraft reports that the knicks sent Thibs and WWW down to ATL to scout and meet with Vassell I think he was very much in play for there pick. With the obvious CAA connections as well.

Knicks were gunning hard for Hayward... he isn’t CAA.

Wes, Rose and Perry also met with Kira Lewis and even spoke to his former coaches. He’s not CAA.

I'm not saying every single thing they did was CAA related. I'm saying there is obviously a heavy lean towards CAA/UK connections which is clear. Whether that happens all the time probably not. Like I'm sure if Dame became available and he has no affiliation to CAA they would still go after him.

But I think all things equal they probably would lean to what they know. Which is why so many publications has Vassell as on of the top options. I really would have been intersted to see what the knicks would have done if Obi went to the cavs instead of Okoro.

If Okoro, Vassell, and Haliburton were on the board what would they have done...I guess we will never know...I have my suspicions.

[HarthorneWingo]

Ok, who wants to get a beating first?

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/ny-obi-toppin-dayton-draft-profile-20201015-ikqgnejy2zcplaestruyhilj24-story.html?outputType=amp

Obi Toppin signed with CAA agents Austin Brown and Mitch Nathan.

Read on Twitter

So the fcking NYDN hid Sam’s involvement so that Leon wouldn’t take the heat for it.

Is there anything left in this world that good and honest?

And, uh, I guess I’m the one who gets the beating?

[HarthorneWingo]

I mean almost every single one of there FA signings were either CAA or Kentucky related as well. We shall see.

I mean is you look at the 8th pick. If they didn't take Obi the next few guys were

Deni (who I don't think the knicks had any interest in drafting an international guy)
Jalen Smith
Vassell
Haliburton
Kira
Nesmith

that rounded out the lottery

I think all things being equal for a team looking to win now (which clearly was the goal).

Haliburton being the best option and Vassell is probably the next best of the bunch and seeing most of the predraft reports that the knicks sent Thibs and WWW down to ATL to scout and meet with Vassell I think he was very much in play for there pick. With the obvious CAA connections as well.

Knicks were gunning hard for Hayward... he isn’t CAA.

Wes, Rose and Perry also met with Kira Lewis and even spoke to his former coaches. He’s not CAA.

I'm not saying every single thing they did was CAA related. I'm saying there is obviously a heavy lean towards CAA/UK connections which is clear. Whether that happens all the time probably not. Like I'm sure if Dame became available and he has no affiliation to CAA they would still go after him.

But I think all things equal they probably would lean to what they know. Which is why so many publications has Vassell as on of the top options. I really would have been intersted to see what the knicks would have done if Obi went to the cavs instead of Okoro.

If Okoro, Vassell, and Haliburton were on the board what would they have done...I guess we will never know...I have my suspicions.

Well we already know that they passed on Haliburton and Vassell for Obi. My guess is they take Okoro.

[HarthorneWingo]

I mean almost every single one of there FA signings were either CAA or Kentucky related as well. We shall see.

I mean is you look at the 8th pick. If they didn't take Obi the next few guys were

Deni (who I don't think the knicks had any interest in drafting an international guy)
Jalen Smith
Vassell
Haliburton
Kira
Nesmith

that rounded out the lottery

I think all things being equal for a team looking to win now (which clearly was the goal).

Haliburton being the best option and Vassell is probably the next best of the bunch and seeing most of the predraft reports that the knicks sent Thibs and WWW down to ATL to scout and meet with Vassell I think he was very much in play for there pick. With the obvious CAA connections as well.

Knicks were gunning hard for Hayward... he isn’t CAA.

Wes, Rose and Perry also met with Kira Lewis and even spoke to his former coaches. He’s not CAA.

I'm not saying every single thing they did was CAA related. I'm saying there is obviously a heavy lean towards CAA/UK connections which is clear. Whether that happens all the time probably not. Like I'm sure if Dame became available and he has no affiliation to CAA they would still go after him.

But I think all things equal they probably would lean to what they know. Which is why so many publications has Vassell as on of the top options. I really would have been intersted to see what the knicks would have done if Obi went to the cavs instead of Okoro.

If Okoro, Vassell, and Haliburton were on the board what would they have done...I guess we will never know...I have my suspicions.

Well we already know that they passed on Haliburton and Vassell for Obi. My guess is they take Okoro ... so long as he hires Sam Rose as his agent.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

One of the biggest issues with Obi is how he's being used right now, we drafted a PF and while he may come into the game for a PF he's playing and being used like a wing. Like, there's no reason why they don't play Knox right now in place of Obi, does anyone really think Knox would do a worse job with the same exact role as Obi? He's playing from the perimeter a lot, but it's pretty obvious Obi does not have any perimeter skills, he can barely dribble the ball when he's facing the rim, and he's too weak to post anyone up, so the long term he has to develop some perimeter skills or put on 20-30lbs so that he's strong enough to take advantage of guards/wings in the post.

I don't know what the development plan for Obi is, but with how little they run the PnR, it's looking like they only way forward for him is a drastic increase in perimeter skills and pray he can develop like Grant, Warren, Siakam and Harris have done, guys who were PFs in college that turned into hybrid 3/4s in the league.

[mpharris36]

Ok, who wants to get a beating first?

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/ny-obi-toppin-dayton-draft-profile-20201015-ikqgnejy2zcplaestruyhilj24-story.html?outputType=amp

Read on Twitter

So the fcking NYDN hid Sam’s involvement so that Leon wouldn’t take the heat for it.

Is there anything left in this world that good and honest?

And, uh, I guess I’m the one who gets the beating?

I mean Sam Rose basically set up Obi to work with Rick Brunson during the pandemic...the connections were all over the place.

[F N 11]

Mitch cleared for contact practice. We rushing him back. We need reinforcements. We can’t keep killing guys lol.