Danny Ainge's AOS (of a season): CLE 117, BOS 110 (20-20)

[fallguy]

I wasn't here during the 90s or mid-2000s so this is all new to me. How bad is it right now?

This is a walk in the park.
Maybe a boring walk in the park, and raining when you expected it to be sunny, but still we'd need to lose to the Cavs every night for 5 years to reach the 90s/mid2000s levels.

This is nothing. The 90s were awful.

[ssang]

Relax fellas. Brad Stevens to Indiana (Hoosiers, not Pacers). News break pending. Figure some time tomorrow (Thursday, 3/18)

[moonie_mcgee]

This team is poorly built and poorly coached, but unfortunately the two men most responsible for that's jobs are more secure than the Federal Reserve.

Only questions I have for the future are who will be the first to demand a trade between Tatum & Brown and will it be to the Lakers or Heat

That'll happen if you
lose bad games,
lose the team, and
lose your best player.

Got to fix it or Tatum and Beal team-up - elsewhere!

[moonie_mcgee]

Relax fellas. Brad Stevens to Indiana (Hoosiers, not Pacers). News break pending. Figure some time tomorrow (Thursday, 3/18)

Funny timing on that story huh

[moonie_mcgee]

Another coming-out game for Timelord. At least he'll be ready when the rest of the team wakes the hell up.

He's a revelation. Honestly though, I didn't like the look of the way he was moving at the end. He played 27 minutes, significantly above his average and the team cannot afford to risk his hips if this is going to be a throwaway season.

he was moving differently because nance elbowed him in his knee.

I missed that play but it makes a great rimshot.

[moonie_mcgee]

This team is poorly built and poorly coached, but unfortunately the two men most responsible for that's jobs are more secure than the Federal Reserve.

Only questions I have for the future are who will be the first to demand a trade between Tatum & Brown and will it be to the Lakers or Heat

This is what frustrates me most.

The Sox **** fired Tito Francona, their greatest manager in history who led them to two titles, after the collapse in 2011.

The Celtics have had the most disappointing team in the league two out of the last three years and nothing.

Lucchino "your fired"
Belichick "hold my beer"
Ainge "nah we good"

[Dogen]

He's a revelation. Honestly though, I didn't like the look of the way he was moving at the end. He played 27 minutes, significantly above his average and the team cannot afford to risk his hips if this is going to be a throwaway season.

he was moving differently because nance elbowed him in his knee.

I missed that play but it makes a great rimshot.

I missed it too. Actually I spent a lot of that game with my face connected to my palm, might have just been an obstructed view.

[ddb]

DA was an aggressive, hungry GM earlier in his tenure. He’s aged into a super conservative baby. Always afraid to shake things up. Draft wise he gets too cute. Just seems like he’s always trying to outsmart people instead of doing good honest business. Sometimes you trade because 2 teams are heading in 2 different directions. You can’t always have it both ways. The KG, BK, and IT trades will come. But it can’t be every trade. Sometimes you need to do the Brown for Beal type of trade that could be great for both teams.

[flintsky21]

If we're looking good the last few games going into the deadline, Ainge will say we're good enough and don't need to make any moves.

If we're looking bad the last few games going into the deadline, Ainge will say this team is not a contender and no trade will help, so he'd rather wait until the offseason.

Either way, Danny isn't doing **** at the deadline.

[moonie_mcgee]

Read on Twitter

We can hate on him (he deserves a lot of it) but Danny screwed him so hard this year. Dude is begging for help at this point

The most deflated quote I've heard from him.
He's gone unless something substantial happens.
That 6 year contract is looking like a Twilight Zone plot.

[flintsky21]

Read on Twitter

We can hate on him (he deserves a lot of it) but Danny screwed him so hard this year. Dude is begging for help at this point

Nah. Danny did his job. Two under-25 All-Star Wings. One All-NBA. One of the best young bigs in the League. 4-time All-Star guard. All-Defensive guard.

Almost half of the rotation are guys that should be playing in the G-league but are instead playing 15-18 mpg. That's on Danny.

[Duke4life831]

Relax fellas. Brad Stevens to Duke. News break pending. Figure some time tomorrow (Thursday, 3/18)

FIFY

[ddb]

If we're looking good the last few games going into the deadline, Ainge will say we're good enough and don't need to make any moves.

If we're looking bad the last few games going into the deadline, Ainge will say this team is not a contender and no trade will help, so he'd rather wait until the offseason.

Either way, Danny isn't doing **** at the deadline.

Well if I may. Let me just say this....I’ve been watching basketball for many years. This team as is, doesn’t have it. They are not a good team. 20-20. No excuses. That’s unacceptable. However, They are closer then we think. And everything can change with an upgrade to the roster. It’s that simple. They need 2 pieces. One starter level guy that can play 30mpg and balance things out. Give them another option. Then the 2nd piece is a veteran bucket off the bench. Teague is beyond toast. He’s done. Cooked. Horrible. They need someone that can get a bucket consistently on that second unit.

Add those two pieces to the puzzle and the Celtics can make major noise.

[moonie_mcgee]

Anyone just blaming one of Brad/Ainge is being silly. Both have not done a good job, same for the players. Obviously Tatum and Jaylen have done what they can, but they’ve also had their own issues playing within the offense.

It’s an everyone and everything problem, the worst kind.

It's hard to pick one. But when so many issues are popping up, usually the guy to blame first is the man at the top. I think Danny himself admitted it. Question now is, what's he gonna do about it?

That's a good question. I think he'd fire Stevens before resigning. Only bc he built the team with Stevens to fit Stevens. Say we move to another coach, Ainge would want a swing at that right? Cuz Ainge is the smartest guy in the room

[reload141]

For the ‘we made the ECFs 3 times in 4 years’ crowd: we’ve also had the most disappointing team in the league 2 times in 3 years.

Yes I am in that crowd.

But I am firmly onboard the “Ainge and Steven’s need to do something now, enough is enough. Or just go.”

So in 5 years, the team did well in 3 and should have done well in the other 2? That's not much of an indictment of Ainge.

Brad, on the other hand ...

Think it’s on both a little to be honest.

Ainge has let talent walk out the door without bringing any back in except some vets and draft picks... that you’re expecting to pan out later on.

[moonie_mcgee]

I appreciate everything Brad has done since he's been here, but I think his tenure has just ran its course. It's time for new blood, it's time for a new voice in the locker room. We need someone to come in and change the culture. Right now watching this team, it just feels like there's no structure, there's no accountability, there's no pride. We need that hiring like we've seen recently with Thibs, Monty Williams, or Juwan Howard.

I don't know if Brad has mentally checked out or if the players are just tuning him out at this point or what, but I feel like anyone who's watched this team closely his entire run can say that things seem different now. A few years ago, if nothing else we knew the Celtics were going to play hard from start to finish. Can't say that now.

As for Ainge, I could write a War and Peace length novel about the issues I've had with his decision making over the years. It used to be an unpopular opinion in these woods but the narrative finally seems to be shifting.

What about Scalabrine?

[Powesknees]

Tatum is no 1 in talent but we need a true no 1 in leadership right now where Tatum can be comfortable in his role as 2 and the primary scorer.. basically what kemba should have been but isn’t

[Fencer reregistered]

Yes I am in that crowd.

But I am firmly onboard the “Ainge and Steven’s need to do something now, enough is enough. Or just go.”

So in 5 years, the team did well in 3 and should have done well in the other 2? That's not much of an indictment of Ainge.

Brad, on the other hand ...

Think it’s on both a little to be honest.

Ainge has let talent walk out the door without bringing any back in except some vets and draft picks... that you’re expecting to pan out later on.

That Ainge has screwed up at times is indisputable, for example in this past offseason's vet signings. The only debate is whether he's screwed up so much that he's a bad (or at least mediocre) GM who should be fired and improved upon.

[return2glory]

Tatum 29 on 24 shots
Jaylen 28 on 26 shots
20-29 from the FT line.
Smart 2 assists and 4 turnovers.

Not going to beat even garbage teams when the above is happening.

Rob was awesome though, yay.

Also Tatum 37 minutes and Brown 39 minutes. They combined for 8 rebounds.

Meanwhile 6’1 Sexton has 7 rebounds in 37 minutes.

I won’t even talk about how bad both their team defense was as they repeatedly allowed open shots.

[Ill News]

Tatum 29 on 24 shots
Jaylen 28 on 26 shots
20-29 from the FT line.
Smart 2 assists and 4 turnovers.

Not going to beat even garbage teams when the above is happening.

Rob was awesome though, yay.

Also Tatum 37 minutes and Brown 39 minutes. They combined for 8 rebounds.

Meanwhile 6’1 Sexton has 7 rebounds in 37 minutes.

I won’t even talk about how bad both their team defense was as they repeatedly allowed open shots.

Tatum and Brown still aren't consistent when it comes to doing the little things. Though Tatum has been superb on defense, he gets tunnel vision on offense sometimes or fails to hustle back because he's complaining about a call. Brown is much more guilty; his team defense remains terrible, and his tunnel vision is worse. I don't think his improved scoring this season can offset just how bad he's regressed in some areas. And don't get me started on these two failing to get to the free throw line, settling for a million midrangers.

These two guys keep talking about leading by example, but their play on the court sometimes leaves much to be desired despite the great numbers they put up. For some reason they just don't provide enough of the intangibles that can inspire teammates to play harder. I'm sure they'll learn this as they grow older and have more experience, but right now it's just frustrating.