The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[NADALalot]

If Ben was in the GSW system he’d be a top 15ish player overnight
Wouldn’t surprise me to average 10+ assists in that team. Fwiw 8 assist average for the past two season team setups is some effort lol.

Just don’t want to see Embiid post and Ben in the dunkers spot again it’s stupid. Ben Rollman and Embiid on the 3 point line can.

Always knew Ben was super solid in the post, he’s easily our best playmaker from there with room to operate. Obv Embiid is unstoppable down there but the coverage is very easy to achieve and blanket aka raptors games ago.

Corner three is what I want to see.

Ben Simmons already is top15ish, 3rd Team All-NBA last year....

[mithrandir17]

Ben is now at 37.5% from the three this season. Maybe he should just let it fly.

[DCasey91]

If Ben was in the GSW system he’d be a top 15ish player overnight
Wouldn’t surprise me to average 10+ assists in that team. Fwiw 8 assist average for the past two season team setups is some effort lol.

Just don’t want to see Embiid post and Ben in the dunkers spot again it’s stupid. Ben Rollman and Embiid on the 3 point line can.

Always knew Ben was super solid in the post, he’s easily our best playmaker from there with room to operate. Obv Embiid is unstoppable down there but the coverage is very easy to achieve and blanket aka raptors games ago.

Corner three is what I want to see.

Ben Simmons already is top15ish, 3rd Team All-NBA last year....

Lebron
Durant
Curry
Harden
Giannis
Embiid
Jokic
Leonard
Doncic
Lillard
Butler
Paul
Tatum
Booker
Beal
Irving
Williamson
George
Adebayo
Ingram
Brown

I have over Simmons (He’s top 20ish but him and others drop hint hint Giannis in measure because of their obvious flaws).

Healthy in form Thompson, Healthy in form Oladipo, Middleton too.

[Stanford]

Lebron
Durant
Curry
Harden
Giannis
Jokic
Leonard
Doncic
Lillard
Butler
Paul
Tatum

Booker
Beal
Irving
Williamson
Adebayo
Ingram
Brown

Gets real iffy around the blue area

[DCasey91]

Lebron
Durant
Curry
Harden
Giannis
Jokic
Leonard
Doncic
Lillard
Butler
Paul
Tatum

Booker
Beal
Irving
Williamson
Adebayo
Ingram
Brown

Gets real iffy around the blue area

Booker/Beal/Irving are better no question. Better second options not close at all.

Adebayo is way more versatile then even Ben

Williamson is a stud offensively like Ingram though you could argue Ben makes up for it on defensive end. Not for Williamson though his finishing skills are absurd if he gets a shot he’s Barkley 2.0 without the god given rebounding skills.

Brown is an elite wing two way option

Ben’s massive problem the longer this goes on is he himself hard caps his ceiling it’s not anyone else but himself. He’s capped out as third best player on the championship roster though that roster has to be extremely specific good luck getting two goat level off ball players. Or a stud one man offensive guard player.

Ben + shooters is less good version of Giannis ball. It’s just more of a glass cannon. Your entirely capped if Ben is a primary offensive weapon. He’s very dependent on others not the other way around.

Those players are just better fits for classical NBA team setups. You saw how draymond green looks when he gets older by himself running an offense and he’s a defensive savant.

But that’s on himself. He should be shooting at low 30% from 3 on small volume that should be a minimum now.

[NADALalot]

Booker and Beal? They're just scorers, and not even legit all-stars.
Zion would be better if Ingram was traded.
Adebayo, inferior to Ben Simmons at both ends.
Middleton, not even good enough to be a #2 for Giannis.
George/Paul/Tatum/Brown/Irving/Oladipo(healthy) all borderline and depends what type of player you are looking for.

The only official way to rank the top 15 is to see who makes the All-NBA teams.
I know the position of each player plays a role in that, but its the most official player rankings we have....

[Stanford]

Sorry - I didn't see Irving. Obviously he's better than Ben.

[DCasey91]

Booker and Beal? They're just scorers, and not even legit all-stars.
Zion would be better if Ingram was traded.
Adebayo, inferior to Ben Simmons at both ends.
Middleton, not even good enough to be a #2 for Giannis.
George/Paul/Tatum/Brown/Irving/Oladipo(healthy) all borderline and depends what type of player you are looking for.

The only official way to rank the top 15 is to see who makes the All-NBA teams.
I know the position of each player plays a role in that, but its the most official player rankings we have....

Not even all stars? Cmon man that’s just bias Beal/Booker are all stars that’s for sure. Adebayo is not inferior to Ben lol it’s more the other way around. Adebayo isn’t a liability on offense in crunch time, time, and time again.

That’s fair enough on the ranking front with All NBA teams all I’m saying is I put Ben personally around the 22-23 mark. Subjective list but that’s where I put him. Could be a lot higher 15ish if what he’s supposed to be shows out in the Playoffs but I’m holding off for now.

[elchengue20]

All-NBA isn't a fair metric to rank players.

This is a league dominated by guards. The competition to get to All-NBA in those positions is insane.

And by the way, we really need one of those guards. So no, Ben isn't better than a lot of them.

To me Ben is in the 18-22 range, depending on how much you can make him fit on your team, wich like we already know it isn't an easy task at all.

[kuclas]

Sorry - I didn't see Irving. Obviously he's better than Ben.

Irving being better is debatable. He's never one being the sole star of a team. Irving barely plays defense. There is a reason he join forces with KD. He knows he needs a true 1A option.

Anyways, yes Ben's issue of not shooting outside of 5 feet continues to be a major issue as the game slows down in the playoffs. It does cap his ceiling.

[Sixerscan]

All-NBA isn't a fair metric to rank players.

This is a league dominated by guards. The competition to get to All-NBA in those positions is insane.

And by the way, we really need one of those guards. So no, Ben isn't better than a lot of them.

To me Ben is in the 18-22 range, depending on how much you can make him fit on your team, wich like we already know it isn't an easy task at all.

Well he made it as a guard.

[M2J]

Sorry - I didn't see Irving. Obviously he's better than Ben.

Irving being better is debatable. He's never one being the sole star of a team. Irving barely plays defense. There is a reason he join forces with KD. He knows he needs a true 1A option.

Anyways, yes Ben's issue of not shooting outside of 5 feet continues to be a major issue as the game slows down in the playoffs. It does cap his ceiling.

Let's just say this, and I know it's not the same as saying who is better.... but swap Ben and Kyrie.

Brooklyn becomes maybe the most complete team in the league, and has a clear answer for the Lakers, and bigger teams like Milwaukee. I maintain that their current big 3, has been functioning better as a big 2 all year... When roles are more defined with the role players filling in,and they add more defense and hustle players to the lineup.

Philly maybe stays on the same trajectory or declines.... Perhaps with a better offense, if Kyrie gels and actually runs the team like a pg. Fringe contender

[M2J]

I think that aggressive Ben, the scorer, is there and he knows how to do it.

He clearly knows how to be the facilitator.

I don't think he's yet comfortable being both. I find that when he's looking to score, and looking at the rim... He isn't activating the shooters, maybe because it's so hard for him to find his own offense.

I think the coaches think, and I agree that the team is better when he's engaging everyone and allowing any shooter next to him to be in a rhythm. But, he needs to pick his spots better.

[DCasey91]

If I’m the 76ers I’m trading Ben in the offseason. I’d go straight for Lillard if that doesn’t work

I’d be looking at Jalen Green or Beal.

Lack of length, touch, mentality, verticality no hook/floater to speak off will only get worse in the playoffs.

He’s had flashes of a true elite player even in his rookie year
But I’ve resigned myself to the fact he’s a fine to great third best player on a championship team provided the other two are offensive studs ala
GSW.

Zion, SGA, Fox, Ingram, Morant, Young will all pass him by because they’ve all shown improvements in their game. Don’t see it with Ben at all. Thompson back after injury is better too


He’s more like top 30-33 range when playoffs come around (Holiday range).

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Usage pct goes 2. Beal, 3. Embiid, 4. Lillard

You can't just mash these guys together

[DCasey91]

Usage pct goes 2. Beal, 3. Embiid, 4. Lillard

You can't just mash these guys together

Yes you can they mesh much better than Simmons/Harris

Usage Rate is null in void because they share different spaces of offensive threat so the balance is essentially perfect all the time. Inside/Out

....Harden seems to be doing quite well with less usage atm.

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:oops:

Usage pct goes 2. Beal, 3. Embiid, 4. Lillard

You can't just mash these guys together

Yes you can they mesh much better than Simmons/Harris

Usage Rate is null in void because they share different spaces of offensive threat so the balance is essentially perfect all the time. Inside/Out

....Harden seems to be doing quite well with less usage atm.

Beal has taken the most fg attempts in the league, Lillard has missed the most fgs in the league. They are a terrible fit to get the ball to Embiid. And play horrendous defense.

No.1 in the east not good enough for the Simmons haters?

[DCasey91]

:oops:

Usage pct goes 2. Beal, 3. Embiid, 4. Lillard

You can't just mash these guys together

Yes you can they mesh much better than Simmons/Harris

Usage Rate is null in void because they share different spaces of offensive threat so the balance is essentially perfect all the time. Inside/Out

....Harden seems to be doing quite well with less usage atm.

Beal has taken the most fg attempts in the league, Lillard has missed the most fgs in the league. They are a terrible fit to get the ball to Embiid. And play horrendous defense.

No.1 in the east not good enough for the Simmons haters?

Haha salt seeping through

Heck have as many shots as you want if you’re an elite guard

Ben ain’t going to do squat and goes invisible mode as we’ve seen repeatedly.

Already made peace with Ben and what he really is
Pre all star Ben is his best version lmao outside of that it’s atypical Ben. (Not elite offensively a liability in fact but that’s okay).

[ProcessDoctor]

Ben Simmons for James Harden.

Ben Simmons for James Harden.

Ben Simmons for James Harden.

(I am a wizard)

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Heck have as many shots as you want if you’re an elite guard

I mean, this says enough about your opinion and winning basketball.