"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[GoCeltics123]

While Tatum and Jaylen need to pass more for sure, getting shots off is also a skill and a talent, and it's clear Pritchard is not capable of high volume shooting in the NBA. Pritchard needs to be wide open with no one within 10 feet of him in order to launch a shot. That's not going to cut it for an undersized guard.

Ehhhhhhhh that's not really true. He was hitting stepbacks and contested layups earlier this year

[cl2117]

It will have nothing to do with talent or assets.

Glen Taylor would be labeled the Santa Claus of the Boston Celtics.

I just don't think Glen Taylor would want to be known as the owner who kept giving gifts to the Boston Celtics.

Not if he gets Jaylen Brown back in a trade. It's not like a picks for a star type situation, they'd be getting a legit guy back.

I think if say the Warriors offer Wiseman and the Minny pick back they probably take that instead of risking the memes of gifting Ainge another star forward, but I don't think many teams could beat a deal built around Jaylen.

Almost any other team is going to be looking to ADD Towns to their stars, not swap them. I see it as a real possibility.

[JediMasterRevan]

Kemba, GrantW and a 2nd to Orlando
Birch, Aminu, Fournier and a 1st from Orlando to Boston

Theis, Semi, Teague to Washington
Ish Smith, Troy Brown Jr and a 1st from Washington to Boston.

Smart/Smith/Pritchard
Fournier/Nesmith/Carsen
Brown/BrownJr/Romeo/Green
Tatum/Aminu
Timelord/Thompson/Birch

Drops payroll by 6 million (could now use FULL MLE)
Fournier is an expiring that could probably be resigned at half the cost and moved to bench
Ish and Birch are both expirings as well.

[Fierce1]

While Tatum and Jaylen need to pass more for sure, getting shots off is also a skill and a talent, and it's clear Pritchard is not capable of high volume shooting in the NBA. Pritchard needs to be wide open with no one within 10 feet of him in order to launch a shot. That's not going to cut it for an undersized guard.

Pritchard is 6-2.

That's not undersized for a PG.

[BK_2020]

While Tatum and Jaylen need to pass more for sure, getting shots off is also a skill and a talent, and it's clear Pritchard is not capable of high volume shooting in the NBA. Pritchard needs to be wide open with no one within 10 feet of him in order to launch a shot. That's not going to cut it for an undersized guard.

Pritchard is 6-2.

That's not undersized for a PG.

He's 6'2 in shoes. Kemba's 6'1 in shoes.

[cl2117]

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I despise the thought of being a seller and quitting, but I agree with Dangercart, this team needs to pick one direction or the other. Standing pat is the worst possible thing.

Standing pat for the rest of this season can still be part of the "buying" direction. It's crazy to think just because the stuff on the market right now is crap that all of a sudden you just become sellers instead.

The thing that will piss me off is if we stand pat AND not play the rookie scale guys (which I see as a really likely outcome). If Ainge wants to wait until the off season and hope there are better options on the market I can get on board with that, but we better be trying to develop our rookie scale guys as assets and not let them rot their value away on the bench in favor of guys like Semi/Teague/Theis who probably aren't on the roster next year anyway.

[JHTruth]

3 firsts and two young players for Vucevic would be tempting to this guy, but I know not many. It's a 'fair' price, but better trying to land Jerami Grant or John Collins for slightly less.

Is there a 'get Kyle Lowry' train? He's the only alpha available. I know he's old, fat, and a FA, but we need a guy who can actually teach the Jays something. I'd pay a lot for that.

Jerami Grant moves the needle.

John Collins is a positive on offense, but he's a negative on defense.

Vucevic to the Celts will be an "all in" move for Ainge.
It could end up making the Celts a legit contender or it could make the Celts worse.
Getting Vooch is a very risky move.

Vooch is starting to achieve AD status with Celtic fans which really scares me. Celtic fans get REALLY attached to trade rumors, no matter how bad the guy is and lose their minds if it doesn't happen.

That being said, I don't think Weiss knows anything. He has some of the worst talent evaluation skills I've ever seen. He was saying the Cs should go all in on Aaron Gordon and I was like really? Aaron Gordon?

[robdog_5]

I'm off any costly moves train. Just don't see it. Unless it was to get a young player like Lonzo.

I'm currently on getting small moves that don't cost much as well as moves for future. For example.

Thompson for expiring
Teague/2nd for anybody who has talent (Ellington/sterling Brown)
Carson too
Semi for anything see if you can get a 2nd
Theis for picks or young player
Sign buyout center after you get rid of Theis and Thompson. LMA or someone

[GoCeltics123]

Bobby Manning made the best argument for a trade I could think of on CLNS' postgame.

He said that in 2015, the team was 14-26 and they added Crowder and IT. Crowder in particular was such a scrapper and gamer here that he inspired the team to turn it around.

While obviously this team ain't winning anything, maybe even a slight trade could give them a jolt.

[JHTruth]

One interesting thing about the trends about the NBA is its turning back into a Big Man's League. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, AD.

[BK_2020]

One interesting thing about the trends about the NBA is its turning back into a Big Man's League. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, AD.

They've all been in the league for like 6+ years. It's always been a myth that NBA's devaluing centers. Good centers are just extremely hard to find because humans don't normally grow to 6'10+.

[Fierce1]

While Tatum and Jaylen need to pass more for sure, getting shots off is also a skill and a talent, and it's clear Pritchard is not capable of high volume shooting in the NBA. Pritchard needs to be wide open with no one within 10 feet of him in order to launch a shot. That's not going to cut it for an undersized guard.

Pritchard is 6-2.

That's not undersized for a PG.

He's 6'2 in shoes. Kemba's 6'1 in shoes.

PP is not a tall PG, but he's not undersized for a PG.

Kemba is 6-1 in shoes, but he's under 6 feet without shoes.

PP is 6 feet tall even without shoes.

[Fierce1]

Vooch is starting to achieve AD status with Celtic fans which really scares me. Celtic fans get REALLY attached to trade rumors, no matter how bad the guy is and lose their minds if it doesn't happen.

That being said, I don't think Weiss knows anything. He has some of the worst talent evaluation skills I've ever seen. He was saying the Cs should go all in on Aaron Gordon and I was like really? Aaron Gordon?

I'm not familiar with Weiss so I can't really dispute your assessment of Weiss.

But one thing's for sure, Vooch is no Anthony Davis.

[JHTruth]

One interesting thing about the trends about the NBA is its turning back into a Big Man's League. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, AD.

They've all been in the league for like 6+ years. It's always been a myth that NBA's devaluing centers. Good centers are just extremely hard to find because humans don't normally grow to 6'10+.

Yeah but they've definitely taken a back seat to the wings in recent years. Everyone looking for two-way wings. Now everyone wants a good big again.

[31to6]

Cle game was hard to watch. We have so many guys that can't really score aside from open shots. Hope we can get someone who can score just to give us another option.

I know that even NBA stiffs are 'amazing' at basketball but I swear I've played pickup with guys who are better than Semi Ojeleye.

[Duke4life831]

I'm off any costly moves train. Just don't see it. Unless it was to get a young player like Lonzo.

I'm currently on getting small moves that don't cost much as well as moves for future. For example.

Semi for anything see if you can get a 2nd

Pels:
Nico Meli
2nd

Celtics:
Semi

Yay or nay?

[Fierce1]

One interesting thing about the trends about the NBA is its turning back into a Big Man's League. Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, AD.

Reason for that is the freedom of movement rule implemented in 2018-19.

Guys like PJ Tucker and Draymond Green are not allowed to push, grab, and bump a big man out of position.

GSW had a lot of success using Draymond as the 5 before the 2018-19 season.

Draymond got away with a lot of stuff that's not allowed from 2018-19 to the present.

Scoring also went up when the freedom of movement rule was implemented.

[Fierce1]

Pels:
Nico Meli
2nd

Celtics:
Semi

Yay or nay?

Why would the Pels want Semi?

Semi should be playing in China.

[Curmudgeon]

Cle game was hard to watch. We have so many guys that can't really score aside from open shots. Hope we can get someone who can score just to give us another option.

I know that even NBA stiffs are 'amazing' at basketball but I swear I've played pickup with guys who are better than Semi Ojeleye.

I haven't, and I played pickup for a Summer in North Jersey (Asbury Park), where there were some pretty good players. For starters, if Ojeleye guarded you would never get a shot off.

[fallguy]

I can't believe we're seriously talking about 3 firsts and 2 players for Vucevic. That is utter, franchise-crippling madness.