"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[chrisab123]

Listening to Danny Ainge on Toucher & Rich.

The host said he is changing his mind whether the Celtics should make a deal or not but asked Ainge, What would you like to say to the fans if you don't make a deal this week? Ainge replied "Why don't we wait until next week to answer that question".

Sounded to me like Ainge has a few things that could get done before next Thursday.

Ainge, next Thursday: we had a couple of things that we were really close on. But the price was a little too high and we really like our guys.

Yup. This is the most likely scenario. Rinse and repeat.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I know a lot of us are pooping on Ainge for not making any deadline moves last year, but let’s remember - we didn’t really have any contracts to move. Smart was the only mid-tier guy, really, and there was no chance we were going to get him.

As for the proceeding years - Ainge had his eyes on the prize - AD. If Kyrie doesn’t go crazy and AD doesn’t sign with Klutch, Banner 18 is in the rafters. He went all-in by not doing anything, and unfortunately, all we have left is a Conference Finals appearance, followed by a team playing .500 ball.

If there’s one real thing that I’m mad about, it’s the fact that Ainge wasn’t more aggressive in moving up in the draft. Could be his fault, could be the fact that others are too scared to deal with him even when he’s willing to overpay (see 2015). But man, Halliburton would have been so nice to have on this squad. Oh well

What about by not trading Rozier or Morris in 18/19? They shouldve dealt them 100%.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Listening to Danny Ainge on Toucher & Rich.

The host said he is changing his mind whether the Celtics should make a deal or not but asked Ainge, What would you like to say to the fans if you don't make a deal this week? Ainge replied "Why don't we wait until next week to answer that question".

Sounded to me like Ainge has a few things that could get done before next Thursday.

Ainge, next Thursday: we had a couple of things that we were really close on. But the price was a little too high and we really like our guys.

Yup. This is the most likely scenario. Rinse and repeat.

And then leak that we were really close on Vuc and Star X.

[chrisab123]

I know a lot of us are pooping on Ainge for not making any deadline moves last year, but let’s remember - we didn’t really have any contracts to move. Smart was the only mid-tier guy, really, and there was no chance we were going to get him.

As for the proceeding years - Ainge had his eyes on the prize - AD. If Kyrie doesn’t go crazy and AD doesn’t sign with Klutch, Banner 18 is in the rafters. He went all-in by not doing anything, and unfortunately, all we have left is a Conference Finals appearance, followed by a team playing .500 ball.

If there’s one real thing that I’m mad about, it’s the fact that Ainge wasn’t more aggressive in moving up in the draft. Could be his fault, could be the fact that others are too scared to deal with him even when he’s willing to overpay (see 2015). But man, Halliburton would have been so nice to have on this squad. Oh well

What about by not trading Rozier or Morris in 18/19? They shouldve dealt them 100%.

Rozier was literally the original guy who tore up to locker room because he was "better than Kyrie" and a "top 5 PG" after their run. He should have been dealt for anything. Danny screwed up bad.

[djFan71]

No way am I giving up Jaylen for that garbage. If we’re trading him it better be in a package for an MVP-type candidate.

If you have an MVP type candidate, would you trade him for a Jaylen package? The overrating of our assets need to slow down lol.

I see both sides of this one. On one hand I’m not sure I don’t prefer Toronto’s core after that trade. I just don’t see more ball movement here with Stevens unless we get an exceptional guy in the half court doing that. I actually LOVE Lonzo but it’s kinda based on hopes. I love how he wastes no dribbles and is an excellent defender and seemingly good guy . Sometimes he just looks depressed out there to me though, too. Doesn’t challenge the defense in the halfcourt when he has the skill to do so. I don’t know if it’s fear of the free throw line. Maybe like Antoine Walker became more of a 3 shooter offensively and avoided contact.
If I made that trade it would be about believing there’s an all star in Lonzo still.
Nice one.

Kinda my thinking, too. Even the Brad part, but we did have it early in his career. You worry a) is that enough for Jaylen, b) can Lonzo really break down a defense consistently, c) would we use him right. a) get a pick from TOR too? b) hopefully.... c) I think so, but if not, then it's time to move on.

I really like OG as well. But, it's definitely a risk giving up Jaylen. But, if that new lineup gels, it could be pretty spectacular on both ends.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I know a lot of us are pooping on Ainge for not making any deadline moves last year, but let’s remember - we didn’t really have any contracts to move. Smart was the only mid-tier guy, really, and there was no chance we were going to get him.

As for the proceeding years - Ainge had his eyes on the prize - AD. If Kyrie doesn’t go crazy and AD doesn’t sign with Klutch, Banner 18 is in the rafters. He went all-in by not doing anything, and unfortunately, all we have left is a Conference Finals appearance, followed by a team playing .500 ball.

If there’s one real thing that I’m mad about, it’s the fact that Ainge wasn’t more aggressive in moving up in the draft. Could be his fault, could be the fact that others are too scared to deal with him even when he’s willing to overpay (see 2015). But man, Halliburton would have been so nice to have on this squad. Oh well

What about by not trading Rozier or Morris in 18/19? They shouldve dealt them 100%.

Rozier was insurance in case Kyrie went down again. I have no qualms about not trading him. We should have dealt Mook, 100%, since he even asked for a trade.

[robdog_5]

We've had extremely bad luck that has hurt Danny who did make some shrewd moves. Kyrie, getting the Sacramento pick, the Memphis pick, etc all looked like they could be home run moves.

Kyrie being a diva
Hayward turning into glass
And that year where Sac suddenly became semi good was bad luck.

But since Kyrie left and AD said no basically Ainge has botched this roster management. He's been trying to swing for the fences and instead has been striking out or topping the ball back to the pitcher. The question is does he keep swinging for the fences (Beal/Kat) or does he change his approach and starting hitting some doubles and line drives? Baseball season is coming so it just seemed like a good analogy to use lol.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

OG, Lonzo & Baynes for Jaylen, PP, Grant. Details below.

Lonzo, Smart, Tatum, OG, Rob
Kemba, Romeo, Nesmith, Semi, TT
Teague, Edwards, Green, Biyombo, Baynes

You reset around Tatum, but he doesn't have to take turns with JB anymore. There's more passing and D. OG starts a great extension next year that's $8-9M cheaper than Jaylen. Use that savings to help resign Lonzo at a reasonable rate.

Deal with Kemba in the offseason or ride out his contract as 6th man. Start him the rest of the year if need be. If he's around next season, he just lights it up off the bench.

Deal:

BOS: OG, Lonzo & Baynes for Jaylen, PP, Grant
TOR: Jaylen, Grant for OG, Powell
NOP: PP, Powell for Lonzo

TOR has Jaylen, FVV, Siakam core.
NOP gets PP & Powell for a pending RFA.
If we can get a future pick out of TOR, even better.

Follow up with dealing Theis for Biyombo and our 2nds back, or something else before he's gone this offseason.

This is a joke right?
Baynes no!!! He is aging and he is done!!! Change old Baynes with Boucher! Ainge would never trade Jaylen in the first place! It would look bad on Ainge. Can’t reset like that..

Always the cherry on top of any deal where I can bring Baynes back. Thanks man, you don't disappoint.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I know a lot of us are pooping on Ainge for not making any deadline moves last year, but let’s remember - we didn’t really have any contracts to move. Smart was the only mid-tier guy, really, and there was no chance we were going to get him.

As for the proceeding years - Ainge had his eyes on the prize - AD. If Kyrie doesn’t go crazy and AD doesn’t sign with Klutch, Banner 18 is in the rafters. He went all-in by not doing anything, and unfortunately, all we have left is a Conference Finals appearance, followed by a team playing .500 ball.

If there’s one real thing that I’m mad about, it’s the fact that Ainge wasn’t more aggressive in moving up in the draft. Could be his fault, could be the fact that others are too scared to deal with him even when he’s willing to overpay (see 2015). But man, Halliburton would have been so nice to have on this squad. Oh well

What about by not trading Rozier or Morris in 18/19? They shouldve dealt them 100%.

Rozier was literally the original guy who tore up to locker room because he was "better than Kyrie" and a "top 5 PG" after their run. He should have been dealt for anything. Danny screwed up bad.

Morris asked to be traded in the preseason lol. It was a massive failure

[MagicBagley18]

Cle game was hard to watch. We have so many guys that can't really score aside from open shots. Hope we can get someone who can score just to give us another option.

I know that even NBA stiffs are 'amazing' at basketball but I swear I've played pickup with guys who are better than Semi Ojeleye.

I haven't, and I played pickup for a Summer in North Jersey (Asbury Park), where there were some pretty good players. For starters, if Ojeleye guarded you would never get a shot off.

And if he hit us with a screen we’d **** breaks

[Ernest]

We've had extremely bad luck that has hurt Danny who did make some shrewd moves. Kyrie, getting the Sacramento pick, the Memphis pick, etc all looked like they could be home run moves.

Kyrie being a diva
Hayward turning into glass
And that year where Sac suddenly became semi good was bad luck.

But since Kyrie left and AD said no basically Ainge has botched this roster management. He's been trying to swing for the fences and instead has been striking out or topping the ball back to the pitcher. The question is does he keep swinging for the fences (Beal/Kat) or does he change his approach and starting hitting some doubles and line drives? Baseball season is coming so it just seemed like a good analogy to use lol.

You have to swing for the fences and be ok striking out. We are not a desirable location. KG was Ainges long term plan- he worked to get the assets, waited for the chance and jumped on it and got us a title. The next target was KD. Then AD. We didn't get the last 2 but we put ourselves in the best position we really could have to get them. If not for that **** TV deal raising everyones cap we would have gotten KD. I can't even remember what went wrong with AD- he just didn't want to come here?

You can hate away on Ainge. You can get frustrated. It's cool. But he is doing it right. Always gaining assets and growing talent with the correct eye on who the real stars are to go after and putting himself in the best position possible to get them. The fun question, is who is next?

[jeremym480]

I can't believe we're seriously talking about 3 firsts and 2 players for Vucevic. That is utter, franchise-crippling madness.

If they get our 1st every other year for six years then yeah I probably wouldn't want to do that but if one of the years is a swap then for me, ​it depends on who the two players would be.

If we can send them something like Grant/Carsen, and Thompson, our 2022 1st, a swap in 23, and our 24 1st top 8 protected then I'd do it. Our 1st this year (with Vuc) would likely be in the low 20's, the swap likely wouldn't convey, and it's too far out to predict the 3rd pick but with the Jays getting closer to their primes, I'd imagine it wouldn't be great either. I don't see any of that as franchise crippling but I'd not sure Orlando would do the swap and I'm sure they would want Nesmith or Langford instead. I'd be more hesitant on that but I can't just blindly say no to 3 1st and 2 players with more specifics.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I know a lot of us are pooping on Ainge for not making any deadline moves last year, but let’s remember - we didn’t really have any contracts to move. Smart was the only mid-tier guy, really, and there was no chance we were going to get him.

As for the proceeding years - Ainge had his eyes on the prize - AD. If Kyrie doesn’t go crazy and AD doesn’t sign with Klutch, Banner 18 is in the rafters. He went all-in by not doing anything, and unfortunately, all we have left is a Conference Finals appearance, followed by a team playing .500 ball.

If there’s one real thing that I’m mad about, it’s the fact that Ainge wasn’t more aggressive in moving up in the draft. Could be his fault, could be the fact that others are too scared to deal with him even when he’s willing to overpay (see 2015). But man, Halliburton would have been so nice to have on this squad. Oh well

What about by not trading Rozier or Morris in 18/19? They shouldve dealt them 100%.

Rozier was insurance in case Kyrie went down again. I have no qualms about not trading him. We should have dealt Mook, 100%, since he even asked for a trade.

If Kyrie went down, we werent winning anyways tbh.

[GoCeltics123]

Someone on this board should change their name to "WeLikeOurGuys"

[JHTruth]

I know a lot of us are pooping on Ainge for not making any deadline moves last year, but let’s remember - we didn’t really have any contracts to move. Smart was the only mid-tier guy, really, and there was no chance we were going to get him.

As for the proceeding years - Ainge had his eyes on the prize - AD. If Kyrie doesn’t go crazy and AD doesn’t sign with Klutch, Banner 18 is in the rafters. He went all-in by not doing anything, and unfortunately, all we have left is a Conference Finals appearance, followed by a team playing .500 ball.

If there’s one real thing that I’m mad about, it’s the fact that Ainge wasn’t more aggressive in moving up in the draft. Could be his fault, could be the fact that others are too scared to deal with him even when he’s willing to overpay (see 2015). But man, Halliburton would have been so nice to have on this squad. Oh well

What about by not trading Rozier or Morris in 18/19? They shouldve dealt them 100%.

Rozier was insurance in case Kyrie went down again. I have no qualms about not trading him. We should have dealt Mook, 100%, since he even asked for a trade.

I have no problem with a young player being confident in himself. And if Kemba hasn't signed with is, Terry would be starting for us right now.

My guess is the Mook offers were horrific

[MagicBagley18]

We’re not sending 3 1sts and players for vucevic I’ll promise you guys that- if you believe that that means u believe Weiss (not saying u should or shouldn’t ) but if you choose to believe him on vucevic it means you should also believe him when he says the Celtics believe players not available now will be later in the offseason.

If that’s true they aren’t sending out 3 years worth of pics for vooch

[JHTruth]

We've had extremely bad luck that has hurt Danny who did make some shrewd moves. Kyrie, getting the Sacramento pick, the Memphis pick, etc all looked like they could be home run moves.

Kyrie being a diva
Hayward turning into glass
And that year where Sac suddenly became semi good was bad luck.

But since Kyrie left and AD said no basically Ainge has botched this roster management. He's been trying to swing for the fences and instead has been striking out or topping the ball back to the pitcher. The question is does he keep swinging for the fences (Beal/Kat) or does he change his approach and starting hitting some doubles and line drives? Baseball season is coming so it just seemed like a good analogy to use lol.

Ainge will always look into a the stars and superstars as they become available. That's his job. But not all players want to come here. KD took the easy way out an went and got rings. AD was seduced by maybe the GOAT. Ainge is not in control of all the variables in these events

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Someone on this board should change their name to "WeLikeOurGuys"

I will do it.

[GoCeltics123]

Someone on this board should change their name to "WeLikeOurGuys"

I will do it.

Love it!!!

[lon3lytoaster]

Man, do we even have anything to sell? Theis could go.. Danny isn’t likely to pay Smart next year but feel like we’re going to go full bottom out and trading Marcus would definitely do that. Thompson? Is there a market?

Yikes