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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#801 » by Xatticus » Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:59 pm

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That's my initial response too...convince me please

there's no convincing. Bol Bol will be out of the league after his rookie deal


Man i don't want to make it sound racist or anything... but look at career of his father.
10 years in nba 1 year in italy.
Career average 2,6 points a game in centers era.

7'6 guy who had some heavy african accent talking stories how he might be 50 years old, when he was 25. NBA kept him because it was great global PR.
NBA does the same with Boban Marjanovic or Taco Fall, they hold very little playing value, they never will, but they are attraction to fans and they are all very nice people, that's why they stick for long.

Only super tall players that actually had some playing value were Shawn Bradley and Ming. And fans and Bradley himself, embraced role of goofbomb cartoonish villain, most people hated him.

btw Bradley had accident i think today, and it seems like it will be really, really nasty one. hopefully first opinions are not correct ones.


Good lord.

Manute Bol was in the NBA because he was an elite rim protector.



Bol Bol was a McDonald's All-American. He was the number 4 prospect in his high school class. He got offers from everyone. He averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks in his brief stint in college on high scoring efficiency. To argue that he has no talent is absurd.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#802 » by pepe1991 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:55 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:there's no convincing. Bol Bol will be out of the league after his rookie deal


Man i don't want to make it sound racist or anything... but look at career of his father.
10 years in nba 1 year in italy.
Career average 2,6 points a game in centers era.

7'6 guy who had some heavy african accent talking stories how he might be 50 years old, when he was 25. NBA kept him because it was great global PR.
NBA does the same with Boban Marjanovic or Taco Fall, they hold very little playing value, they never will, but they are attraction to fans and they are all very nice people, that's why they stick for long.

Only super tall players that actually had some playing value were Shawn Bradley and Ming. And fans and Bradley himself, embraced role of goofbomb cartoonish villain, most people hated him.

btw Bradley had accident i think today, and it seems like it will be really, really nasty one. hopefully first opinions are not correct ones.


Good lord.

Manute Bol was in the NBA because he was an elite rim protector.



Bol Bol was a McDonald's All-American. He was the number 4 prospect in his high school class. He got offers from everyone. He averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks in his brief stint in college on high scoring efficiency. To argue that he has no talent is absurd.


Oh come on man.

1983, goes to draft, gets draft 97th in 5th round. But nba red-flags draft selection.
Goes back to draft in 1985, isn't drafted in first round, instad drafted 31# ovearll.

He did block lot of shots, but tell me one tall guy in that era that didn't ? Virtually all players among top 10 palyers in BPG belong to same era. 1982- 1995.
Most of it is because handchacking allowed defenders to push players toward center of the paint, where there were no 3 defensive second rule, so center was camping to swat a shot. Since basketball was more physical, almost always it was center who was commiting foul and blocking player at once, but again, basketball wasn't officiated in a fashion it is today.

This still does not change a fact he was more of a attraction that production.

He never averaged more than 3,9 ppg.
He was starter for only 133 out of 620 games he played.

Last two years he didn't even collect 200 min combined.

Even in his memory, most people remember him , but don't remember somebody like Mark Eaton, who was literally -funcional version of Bol. Feending even more in my "attraction > production" orginal claim.
Eaton could actually score a bit, was even better shot blocker, was even allstar. But wasn't interesting to media as african tribal player that claimed he was 50 years old, had funny broken english, never got to sports illustated cover and didn't have pictures with Muggsey. Because, Eaton simply wasn't that interesting to media. Not tall enough? I guess.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#803 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 18, 2021 6:39 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Man i don't want to make it sound racist or anything... but look at career of his father.
10 years in nba 1 year in italy.
Career average 2,6 points a game in centers era.

7'6 guy who had some heavy african accent talking stories how he might be 50 years old, when he was 25. NBA kept him because it was great global PR.
NBA does the same with Boban Marjanovic or Taco Fall, they hold very little playing value, they never will, but they are attraction to fans and they are all very nice people, that's why they stick for long.

Only super tall players that actually had some playing value were Shawn Bradley and Ming. And fans and Bradley himself, embraced role of goofbomb cartoonish villain, most people hated him.

btw Bradley had accident i think today, and it seems like it will be really, really nasty one. hopefully first opinions are not correct ones.


Good lord.

Manute Bol was in the NBA because he was an elite rim protector.



Bol Bol was a McDonald's All-American. He was the number 4 prospect in his high school class. He got offers from everyone. He averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks in his brief stint in college on high scoring efficiency. To argue that he has no talent is absurd.


Oh come on man.

1983, goes to draft, gets draft 97th in 5th round. But nba red-flags draft selection.
Goes back to draft in 1985, isn't drafted in first round, instad drafted 31# ovearll.

He did block lot of shots, but tell me one tall guy in that era that didn't ? Virtually all players among top 10 palyers in BPG belong to same era. 1982- 1995.
Most of it is because handchacking allowed defenders to push players toward center of the paint, where there were no 3 defensive second rule, so center was camping to swat a shot. Since basketball was more physical, almost always it was center who was commiting foul and blocking player at once, but again, basketball wasn't officiated in a fashion it is today.

This still does not change a fact he was more of a attraction that production.

He never averaged more than 3,9 ppg.
He was starter for only 133 out of 620 games he played.

Last two years he didn't even collect 200 min combined.

Even in his memory, most people remember him , but don't remember somebody like Mark Eaton, who was literally -funcional version of Bol. Feending even more in my "attraction > production" orginal claim.
Eaton could actually score a bit, was even better shot blocker, was even allstar. But wasn't interesting to media as african tribal player that claimed he was 50 years old, had funny broken english, never got to sports illustated cover and didn't have pictures with Muggsey. Because, Eaton simply wasn't that interesting to media. Not tall enough? I guess.


I'm old enough to remember Bol. '

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#804 » by TunaFish » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:42 pm

Because of some interest in Bol Bol, I thought you might enjoy this video from last night:

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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#805 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:45 pm

TunaFish wrote:Because of some interest in Bol Bol, I thought you might enjoy this video from last night:



Red Auerbach would call that "The human victory cigar"...notice the score and the amused starters yucking it up. Sideshow.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#806 » by Bensational » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:33 pm

I’m definitely still intrigued by Bol even if there isn’t a whole lot of concrete skill to latch on to.

His handles are way too high to do anything useful with, though he does look pretty fluid moving with the ball. If he could simply get his 3pt shot to high 30’s and become a good entry passer into the paint from the perimeter he would be pretty unstoppable as a role player. Post players and cutters could have a field day from that. Defensively he’ll easily make an impact.

The Nuggets are possibly the best developmental team right now. If they’re still in on Bol then you know it’s a worthy investment, IMO.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#807 » by skywalker33 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:12 am

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Gotta say this is a bit intriguing...



Why would you be intrigued with this?

This to me would be an absolute joke.


Well, first, it's not a 1-for-1 offer, not even written as such. But you obviously have an opinion, what do you base it upon ?

Have you seen Bol or is there some reason calling him a joke ?? What are you basing this dismissive insult upon ? That he's sitting on the bench developing on a very deep team where minutes aren't readily available ?? Please share your expertise on Bol ....
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#808 » by skywalker33 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:24 am

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89Magicfan wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Gotta say this is a bit intriguing...



Why would you be intrigued with this?

This to me would be an absolute joke.

Because he is a Nuggets fan and it would be highway robbery. I don’t blame him but of course he’s intrigued. I would be intrigued by a Fournier for Murray rumor too :lol:


Honestly, I really don't want Gordon, for a former FOURTH OVERALL pick he comes across as a bust to me. You're paying this guy $18MM a year to produce 14ppg/7rpg and leads the Magic to 4th worst record in the league. The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do. And if you read the tweet, Bol would be PART of a package, not a 1-for-1 trade.....jeez, get a grip. Great hospitality here.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#809 » by thelead » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:30 am

skywalker33 wrote:
thelead wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:

Why would you be intrigued with this?

This to me would be an absolute joke.

Because he is a Nuggets fan and it would be highway robbery. I don’t blame him but of course he’s intrigued. I would be intrigued by a Fournier for Murray rumor too :lol:


Honestly, I really don't want Gordon, for a former FOURTH OVERALL pick he comes across as a bust to me. You're paying this guy $18MM a year to produce 14ppg/7rpg and leads the Magic to 4th worst record in the league. The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do. And if you read the tweet, Bol would be PART of a package, not a 1-for-1 trade.....jeez, get a grip. Great hospitality here.


Eh... we’re jaded around here. Don’t take it personally. I’m okay with Bol being part of the deal but you don’t mentioning him in the tweet is dumb if he isn’t the core part of the deal. There are always fillers and you NEVER lead with those in a story.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#810 » by skywalker33 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:39 am

thelead wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
thelead wrote:Because he is a Nuggets fan and it would be highway robbery. I don’t blame him but of course he’s intrigued. I would be intrigued by a Fournier for Murray rumor too :lol:


Honestly, I really don't want Gordon, for a former FOURTH OVERALL pick he comes across as a bust to me. You're paying this guy $18MM a year to produce 14ppg/7rpg and leads the Magic to 4th worst record in the league. The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do. And if you read the tweet, Bol would be PART of a package, not a 1-for-1 trade.....jeez, get a grip. Great hospitality here.


Eh... we’re jaded around here. Don’t take it personally. I’m okay with Bol being part of the deal but you don’t mentioning him in the tweet is dumb if he isn’t the core part of the deal. There are always fillers and you NEVER lead with those in a story.


One of my thoughts is, wouldn't acquiring Bol, in turn allow you to trade Bomba, returning so extra value ? This is just a rumor and perhaps that's the only piece that was leaked....and to call Bol a joke, given his lack of exposure does show some ignorance. If you watched him in the bubble last year, you'd definitely seen some potential.

And BTW, thank YOU for some courtesy, it is appreciated.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#811 » by thelead » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:43 am

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thelead wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Honestly, I really don't want Gordon, for a former FOURTH OVERALL pick he comes across as a bust to me. You're paying this guy $18MM a year to produce 14ppg/7rpg and leads the Magic to 4th worst record in the league. The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do. And if you read the tweet, Bol would be PART of a package, not a 1-for-1 trade.....jeez, get a grip. Great hospitality here.


Eh... we’re jaded around here. Don’t take it personally. I’m okay with Bol being part of the deal but you don’t mentioning him in the tweet is dumb if he isn’t the core part of the deal. There are always fillers and you NEVER lead with those in a story.


One of my thoughts is, wouldn't acquiring Bol, in turn allow you to trade Bomba, returning so extra value ? This is just a rumor and perhaps that's the only piece that was leaked....and to call Bol a joke, given his lack of exposure does show some ignorance. If you watched him in the bubble last year, you'd definitely seen some potential.

And BTW, thank YOU for some courtesy, it is appreciated.

I have watched him plenty. The Nuggets are on national tv a ton. I have seen some ‘special’ moments but not enough for me to be happy with giving up AG for him. I never called him a joke and if this forum’s search functiality didn’t suck so bad I would find you my posts about calling the magic FO stupid for trading away second round picks when Bol was balling last year.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#812 » by VFX » Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:27 am

skywalker33 wrote:
thelead wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:

Why would you be intrigued with this?

This to me would be an absolute joke.

Because he is a Nuggets fan and it would be highway robbery. I don’t blame him but of course he’s intrigued. I would be intrigued by a Fournier for Murray rumor too :lol:


The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do.


How? Is he playing over Vuc, Aminu, Birch, Bamba, or Okeke?

Clifford won’t even play (#6 pick) Bamba significant minutes. This isn’t to say I don’t think Bol is skilled or that your assessment of AG is spot on, but Bol is probably the last prospect out of Hampton and Dozier I’d want due to minute distribution.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#813 » by skywalker33 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:31 am

thelead wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
thelead wrote:
Eh... we’re jaded around here. Don’t take it personally. I’m okay with Bol being part of the deal but you don’t mentioning him in the tweet is dumb if he isn’t the core part of the deal. There are always fillers and you NEVER lead with those in a story.


One of my thoughts is, wouldn't acquiring Bol, in turn allow you to trade Bomba, returning so extra value ? This is just a rumor and perhaps that's the only piece that was leaked....and to call Bol a joke, given his lack of exposure does show some ignorance. If you watched him in the bubble last year, you'd definitely seen some potential.

And BTW, thank YOU for some courtesy, it is appreciated.

I have watched him plenty. The Nuggets are on national tv a ton. I have seen some ‘special’ moments but not enough for me to be happy with giving up AG for him. I never called him a joke and if this forum’s search functiality didn’t suck so bad I would find you my posts about calling the magic FO stupid for trading away second round picks when Bol was balling last year.



Never mention you calling him a joke, but was referring to someone else who may have been "jaded". And interesting about you viewing him play for the Nuggets, other than the bubble he really hasn't played a lot this season 2, maybe 4 games. I happen to agree with you about NOT trading AG, once you guys get heathy, with another high pick (we could draft for you, ya know LOL) I can easily see some potential to there.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#814 » by skywalker33 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:47 am

MagicMatic wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
thelead wrote:Because he is a Nuggets fan and it would be highway robbery. I don’t blame him but of course he’s intrigued. I would be intrigued by a Fournier for Murray rumor too :lol:


The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do.


How? Is he playing over Vuc, Aminu, Birch, Bamba, or Okeke?

Clifford won’t even play (#6 pick) Bamba significant minutes. This isn’t to say I don’t think Bol is skilled or that your assessment of AG is spot on, but Bol is probably the last prospect out of Hampton and Dozier I’d want due to minute distribution.


Well, wouldn't it be logical to see what you just traded for ?? And I also did speculate that IF you trade for Bol, couldn't that lend opportunity to trade Bamba ? Also, Bol could pick up some of the mins opened up by trading Gordon, is that too much of a stretch for you ??
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#815 » by thelead » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:04 am

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The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do.


How? Is he playing over Vuc, Aminu, Birch, Bamba, or Okeke?

Clifford won’t even play (#6 pick) Bamba significant minutes. This isn’t to say I don’t think Bol is skilled or that your assessment of AG is spot on, but Bol is probably the last prospect out of Hampton and Dozier I’d want due to minute distribution.


Well, wouldn't it be logical to see what you just traded for ?? And I also did speculate that IF you trade for Bol, couldn't that lend opportunity to trade Bamba ? Also, Bol could pick up some of the mins opened up by trading Gordon, is that too much of a stretch for you ??

LOL. You know NOTHING about how Clifford has coached the magic do you? Bamba was the sixth pick of a loaded draft. Wouldn't it be logical to see what we just drafted? You would think :lol: but here we are, 3 years into his career and we still don't know what we drafted with his limited minutes and role.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#816 » by VFX » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:16 am

skywalker33 wrote:
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The intriguing part to me is that in ORL, Bol might get a shot for some PT and I'd love to see what he could do.


How? Is he playing over Vuc, Aminu, Birch, Bamba, or Okeke?

Clifford won’t even play (#6 pick) Bamba significant minutes. This isn’t to say I don’t think Bol is skilled or that your assessment of AG is spot on, but Bol is probably the last prospect out of Hampton and Dozier I’d want due to minute distribution.


Well, wouldn't it be logical to see what you just traded for ?? And I also did speculate that IF you trade for Bol, couldn't that lend opportunity to trade Bamba ? Also, Bol could pick up some of the mins opened up by trading Gordon, is that too much of a stretch for you ??


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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#817 » by Bensational » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:58 am

Here's a new one:

ORL: Rubio + NAW + Davis + NOP 21 FRP (tp 4 protected)
NOP: Gordon
MIN: Bledsoe + Aminu

Minnesota get another veteran PG but with better 3pt range and a defensive PF who can hit the 3.

Pels get Gordon. Personally, I'd be intrigued by an Adams/Zion/Gordon/Ingram/Ball lineup. That's a lot of height and defense, and willing ball movement.

We get a stop gap PG whilst Fultz recovers, NAW to trial/develop, and another FRP. Plus out from Aminu's contract.
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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#818 » by VFX » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:31 am

Bensational wrote:Here's a new one:

ORL: Rubio + NAW + Davis + NOP 21 FRP (tp 4 protected)
NOP: Gordon
MIN: Bledsoe + Aminu

Minnesota get another veteran PG but with better 3pt range and a defensive PF who can hit the 3.

Pels get Gordon. Personally, I'd be intrigued by an Adams/Zion/Gordon/Ingram/Ball lineup. That's a lot of height and defense, and willing ball movement.

We get a stop gap PG whilst Fultz recovers, NAW to trial/develop, and another FRP. Plus out from Aminu's contract.


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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

Post#819 » by drsd » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:59 am

Xatticus wrote:Bol Bol was a McDonald's All-American. He was the number 4 prospect in his high school class. He got offers from everyone. He averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks in his brief stint in college on high scoring efficiency. To argue that he has no talent is absurd.


Bol Bol-PF next to Isaac-SF and Vučević-C is a true height front-court lineup of 21' 3".
That all three have the long-ball, it is an interesting idea.


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Re: 2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk 

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