"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[GoCeltics123]

What about a trade centered around Theis and Barton? Celtics get a wing, Nuggets get the backup center they’re desperate for. We throw in Langford and/or second round picks and Barton is expiring.

[cl2117]

If Ainge has other teams interested in making a trade for Kemba Walker then his Top priority should be finding a new home for Kemba.

Most important part of the pod, IMO, was Weiss stating that the people he’s talked to within the Celtics felt that there were players who would be available during the summer who aren’t available during the deadline. Said he’d be surprised if the Celtics opted to use the TPE at the deadline. Who those players are? He didn’t know, but did spitball the idea that the Cs were waiting to see what happened with KAT

KAT doesnt even fit into the TPE

Nah but if we are trading for KAT I think it's gotta be Jaylen being sent out. Can't imagine Minny doing another big man to Boston for picks/young players type deal.

You can easily match salary with Jaylen and then use the TPE to find a replacement wing.

My way too big, but ideal trade would be:

Boston: KAT, Dlo, Beasley

Minnesota: Brown, Kemba, Thompson, pick(s) as needed (or swap Timelord in for Thompson maybe)

Then use the TPE on Barnes since we won't be hardcapped anymore and go for:

Boston: Barnes

Sacramento: Nesmith, 2021 FRP

C's go with:

DLo / PP
Smart/ Beasley
Tatum/ Romeo
Barnes/ Grant
KAT/ Timelord

Might just be moving deck chairs on the Titanic for both teams, but at least it'd change up two situations that clearly aren't working.

[Celts17Pride]

The Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks are two teams with interest in potentially signing Isaiah Thomas.

[cl2117]

What about a trade centered around Theis and Barton? Celtics get a wing, Nuggets get the backup center they’re desperate for. We throw in Langford and/or second round picks and Barton is expiring.

Expiring guys can't be an option. We need to be able to keep the salary around for trades since Tatum's extension kicking in keeps us from adding anyone signficant in FA. You'd want guys who have at least 2-3 years left so they can be moved down.

[Feed Your Head]

Jaylen for Lonzo? Jaylen Underappreciated Brown..

Adding Lonzo doesn’t mean that ball movement is suddenly contagious - it hasn’t been in New Orleans.. Ball whips the ball around in milliseconds already

Thats an awful trade..... even with Ball playing better thats an awful trade.

OG is a really good player too, a much better defender than Jaylen, and a legit knock down shooter from 3. Obviously Jaylen is the much better individual player, but OG is a damn good young player himself.

Ball/Smart/OG/Tatum/Theis or RW is better than our current team, IMO. As always, it comes down to how posters view Jaylen, and our current teams fit. I won’t argue with anyone who wouldn’t want to do it, but I also won’t argue with djFan and zoya, or anyone else who probably would do it. Also need to consider that you’re dumping Kemba’s contract as part of it.

If trading Jaylen, I’d rather take a chance on someone like Towns, but i understand why some would consider a move like this that upgrades our depth with two young players, who are really good themselves. I think the Hawks are another team where that would be feasible.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

The Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks are two teams with interest in potentially signing Thomas.

This bench is so bad that IT could be better than anyone not named Robert Williams.

[Gomes3PC]

Danny needs to decide if we are buyers or sellers. You could argue at this point there is no point in doing a "buy" deal now unless it is a young player (under 28) with multiple years of control.

You buy now if you think it helps future years. There is no reason to buy for this year.

Correct - that's why I said only buys would be guys under 28 with multiple years of control. Someone like Nance, for example. or Aaron Gordon.

[MagicBagley18]

Guys available in summer .....beal and KAT.

[Feed Your Head]

Guys available in summer .....beal and KAT.

We like our guys.

[djFan71]

Jaylen for Lonzo? Jaylen Underappreciated Brown..

Adding Lonzo doesn’t mean that ball movement is suddenly contagious - it hasn’t been in New Orleans.. Ball whips the ball around in milliseconds already

Thats an awful trade..... even with Ball playing better thats an awful trade.

OG is a really good player too, a much better defender than Jaylen, and a legit knock down shooter from 3. Obviously Jaylen is the much better individual player, but OG is a damn good young player himself.

Ball/Smart/OG/Tatum/Theis or RW is better than our current team, IMO. As always, it comes down to how posters view Jaylen, and our current teams fit. I won’t argue with anyone who wouldn’t want to do it, but I also won’t argue with djFan and zoya, or anyone else who probably would do it. If trading Jaylen, I’d rather take a chance on someone like Towns, but I’d consider a move like this that upgrades our depth with two young players who are really good themselves. I think the Hawks are another team where that would be feasible.

Yeah, the dream is Jaylen as the main piece of a superstar trade. But, Beal/KAT are what we're (currently) left with post-Harden. They're not the same level game changers, and probably the same level odds as Harden too - ie, miniscule.

It's also how you see Ball (or saw Hayward). I think he could end up being better than Jaylen himself. Or, you know, not. But, this team desperately lacks play making and somehow perimeter defense. Plus, I love me some OG. I see both those guys as better fits with Tatum. Two iso-heavy your turn/my turn scorers isn't ideal. Didn't even work with Wade/LeBron for a while. Jays could both keep growing and figure it out, though.

And, ultimately, it's just spitballing. Probably selling a touch low on Jaylen, but maybe get a 2023 1st back from TOR too or something, but if you (not you, you, general you) view JB as a star, then you won't like it regardless.

[fallguy]

Guys available in summer .....beal and KAT.

We like our guys.

This is true but I'd also like to emphasize how close we were to making a number of deals.

[djFan71]

What about a trade centered around Theis and Barton? Celtics get a wing, Nuggets get the backup center they’re desperate for. We throw in Langford and/or second round picks and Barton is expiring.

I thought of TT for Barton last night, but decided to break people's brains with Jaylen for Lonzo/OG instead, lol.

I didn't like it since I'd rather just see what Romeo/Nesmith can do at this point.

[Feed Your Head]

Guys available in summer .....beal and KAT.

We like our guys.

This is true but I'd also like to emphasize how close we were to making a number of deals.

This is what Danny has turned us all into

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[Celts17Pride]

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This is the Celtics biggest issue this season. For whatever reason the Celtics have no desire to play defense this year. Celtics now 23rd in the league in defensive efficiency out of 30 teams.

Hard for me to blame Stevens for this since his teams have regularly been in the Top 10 to Top 5 every year but who knows. Celtics players act like they are entitled to me and no longer want to dig in and work but that’s my opinion.

Celtics defense has been a huge problem this year

[Andrew McCeltic]

What about a trade centered around Theis and Barton? Celtics get a wing, Nuggets get the backup center they’re desperate for. We throw in Langford and/or second round picks and Barton is expiring.

This is a very plausible trade but I don’t think it moves the needle for this team at all..

[CeltsfaninDC]

Kemba, Theis and Teague to DAL
James Johnson (expiring), Josh Richardson and Dwight Powell to BOS

Could f*ck around and ask for Hardaway Jr. instead, but he’s having a great shooting year..

The only way that trade works is if you also use the Gordon TPE. That would be very dumb to do now for those players

It’s about getting flexibility for follow-up trades - maybe Johnson gets you a bad contract and a 1st.. Richardson and Powell could be the salary foundation in a trade for Harrison Barnes..

and you give up the main asset you need to make a big deal in the offseason?

[Curmudgeon]

Kemba and a first round pick to Orlando, Fournier and Ross to the Pelicans, Lonzo and Reddick to the Knicks, Randall and Ntilikina to the Celtics.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

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This is the Celtics biggest issue this season. For whatever reason the Celtics have no desire to play defense this year. Celtics now 23rd in the league in defensive efficiency out of 30 teams.

Hard for me to blame Stevens for this since his teams have regularly been in the Top 10 to Top 5 every year but who knows. Celtics players act like they are entitled to me and no longer want to dig in and work but that’s my opinion.

Celtics defense has been a huge problem this year

I think the lack of practice, covid, and short off-season are all contributing factors to the Celtics right now. Last season, they came out with something to prove. But this year, they look like they are sleep-walking through the season.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Im now of the opinion of dont trade for Barnes. If the Kings want to keep him then **** em, let them keep him

[flintsky21]

What about a trade centered around Theis and Barton? Celtics get a wing, Nuggets get the backup center they’re desperate for. We throw in Langford and/or second round picks and Barton is expiring.

This is a very plausible trade but I don’t think it moves the needle for this team at all..

Yeah, but it does improve team composition. Theis became dispensible with the emergence of Rob and TT is harder to move. Barton brings another reliable scorer and shotcreator who's also a capable defender. Allows you to have at least 2 scorers on the floor at all times.