Lonzo Ball - What's your opinion of him?

[MeloNY]

People keep talking about Lonzo Ball's offense and rightfully so, we need a point guard who can distribute the ball and knock down shots. But more importantly we need a PG who can do it on both ends of the floor. Lonzo is a much better defender than any guard we have not named Frank.

[cgmw]

I mean thank Dolan we played Portis and Payton and Ellington and Taj down the stretch last season! Otherwise there'd be a decent chance we'd already have Lamelo on a rookie contract right now, and then we'd have BOTH Ball brothers, and who would want that? Especially when you can have the inferior brother on a big longterm deal? Briliant as always, MSG!

Keep doing you, Dolan. "Win now," baby!

[god shammgod]

i'm pretty sure we didn't win any games because of payton and portis and ellington and taj

[F N 11]

Berman made up a Lonzo interested in signing with us rumor lol.

[Kampuchea]

Yes to Lonzo.

Unfortunately, Berman put out a report today which I believe is 0% based on legit sources. I hope Ball does want to come to NY and wouldn't be surprised, headed to the spotlight on an up-and-coming team with a coach who will love his defense. I just don't think Berman knows if he really does want to come or not, he keeps flinging crap at the wall hoping something sticks.

[Kampuchea]

Berman made up a Lonzo interested in signing with us rumor lol.

Yes, yes he did. I hope Berman guessed right though and Lonzo is really interested.

[GONYK]

Berman said that Lonzo is interested in NY.

I think that article is true for any team that is willing to pay Lonzo a contract starting at $18M+

[seren]

This is one of the worst takes that I have read on this board all year. I genuinely needed the laugh

He is laughably bad. At least Payton and Frank would come cheaper. 1.2 free throw attempts as a starting PG requires really special skills. One would go to the line more just by accident. Dude is actively avoiding contact because he knows he is horrible at the free throw line.

Kinda weird metric to say someone’s bad, when Payton and Frank are also terrible at drawing fouls too. Payton draws 2.2 fouls a game and he drives a ton more than Lonzo. One more foul shot a game is nothing to brag about when your game is build around attacking the rim. Which Payton isn’t even good at either. Lonzo is a great shooter and puts up high volume 3 pointers at nearly 40%. That’s a much better fit with our two “stars” moving forward. Idk where you’re getting Lonzo’s a bad free throw shooter from cuz he’s shooting 77% on the year. Maybe that woulda made sense last year but he’s much improved across the board.

Lonzo is a horrible shooter. He is the Ben Wallace of point guards.

[robillionaire]

He is laughably bad. At least Payton and Frank would come cheaper. 1.2 free throw attempts as a starting PG requires really special skills. One would go to the line more just by accident. Dude is actively avoiding contact because he knows he is horrible at the free throw line.

Kinda weird metric to say someone’s bad, when Payton and Frank are also terrible at drawing fouls too. Payton draws 2.2 fouls a game and he drives a ton more than Lonzo. One more foul shot a game is nothing to brag about when your game is build around attacking the rim. Which Payton isn’t even good at either. Lonzo is a great shooter and puts up high volume 3 pointers at nearly 40%. That’s a much better fit with our two “stars” moving forward. Idk where you’re getting Lonzo’s a bad free throw shooter from cuz he’s shooting 77% on the year. Maybe that woulda made sense last year but he’s much improved across the board.

Lonzo is a horrible shooter. He is the Ben Wallace of point guards.

the stats don't support what you're saying though. he's 13th in the NBA in made 3s this year. and is making them 39% on 7 attempts a game. that is really good.

ben wallace was 4x all star 4x DPOY and won a championship, is this meant as an insult

[BKlutch]

If we get Lonzo, does that mean Janis Porzingis will want to rep him?

[Meat]

world wide wes out here playing 5d chess

[Jeff Van Gully]

otherworldly court vision and facilitation instincts. improving shooting (a la jason kidd). up to almost 40% from 3 this year with significant sample size/volume. improved free throw shooting supports this trend too. plus defender to put it lightly. it would be wise to get in on lonzo's continued development. he could pan out after being cast aside. this team would be a great fit for him,

[Jeff Van Gully]

Kinda weird metric to say someone’s bad, when Payton and Frank are also terrible at drawing fouls too. Payton draws 2.2 fouls a game and he drives a ton more than Lonzo. One more foul shot a game is nothing to brag about when your game is build around attacking the rim. Which Payton isn’t even good at either. Lonzo is a great shooter and puts up high volume 3 pointers at nearly 40%. That’s a much better fit with our two “stars” moving forward. Idk where you’re getting Lonzo’s a bad free throw shooter from cuz he’s shooting 77% on the year. Maybe that woulda made sense last year but he’s much improved across the board.

Lonzo is a horrible shooter. He is the Ben Wallace of point guards.

the stats don't support what you're saying though. he's 13th in the NBA in made 3s this year. and is making them 39% on 7 attempts a game. that is really good.

ben wallace was 4x all star 4x DPOY and won a championship, is this meant as an insult

yeah. it's his 2PT FG that need to follow. he doesn't get to the rim or finish there well enough for his size at this level. but he would be complementing guys who do that well. i'm sure lonzo would be obtained alongside another wing scorer who can shoot and get to the cup like RJ without compromising defense. in which case, i'm good with it. dude's 23.

[cgmw]

i'm pretty sure we didn't win any games because of payton and portis and ellington and taj

My bad. It was Mo Harkless.

Wins against Atlanta, GS, Detroit, Houston and Chicago in the final two weeks of the season.

Any sane franchise would have rolled with Mitch/Randle/Knox/RJ/DSJ (or Frank) to end the year knowing full well it could mean the difference between Obi and Lamelo.

Next you’ll tell me we didn’t win extra meaningless games playing the likes of Trey Burke and Emmanuel “I’m gonna get you right” Mudiay?

Fans love to bitch and moan about taking Knox over SGA, or about Frank over Sider Mitchell, but how quickly we forget the absolute idiocy it took to be drafting that low in the first place.

Normal teams would have played their scrubs in the final month and would have landed D Fox over Frank, Luka/Trey over Knox, or Lamelo over Obi.

Don’t pretend like it’s not real.

[jvsimonetti0514]

He is laughably bad. At least Payton and Frank would come cheaper. 1.2 free throw attempts as a starting PG requires really special skills. One would go to the line more just by accident. Dude is actively avoiding contact because he knows he is horrible at the free throw line.

Kinda weird metric to say someone’s bad, when Payton and Frank are also terrible at drawing fouls too. Payton draws 2.2 fouls a game and he drives a ton more than Lonzo. One more foul shot a game is nothing to brag about when your game is build around attacking the rim. Which Payton isn’t even good at either. Lonzo is a great shooter and puts up high volume 3 pointers at nearly 40%. That’s a much better fit with our two “stars” moving forward. Idk where you’re getting Lonzo’s a bad free throw shooter from cuz he’s shooting 77% on the year. Maybe that woulda made sense last year but he’s much improved across the board.

Lonzo is a horrible shooter. He is the Ben Wallace of point guards.

Yeah, you definitely don’t know what you’re talking about

[Oscirus]

Lavar def wants ny. Just comes down to how much it'll cost to get him here. Would yall do 20 mill for him?

[god shammgod]

i'm pretty sure we didn't win any games because of payton and portis and ellington and taj

My bad. It was Mo Harkless.

Wins against Atlanta, GS, Detroit, Houston and Chicago in the final two weeks of the season.

Any sane franchise would have rolled with Mitch/Randle/Knox/RJ/DSJ (or Frank) to end the year knowing full well it could mean the difference between Obi and Lamelo.

Next you’ll tell me we didn’t win extra meaningless games playing the likes of Trey Burke and Emmanuel “I’m gonna get you right” Mudiay?

Fans love to bitch and moan about taking Knox over SGA, or about Frank over Sider Mitchell, but how quickly we forget the absolute idiocy it took to be drafting that low in the first place.

Normal teams would have played their scrubs in the final month and would have landed D Fox over Frank, Luka/Trey over Knox, or Lamelo over Obi.

Don’t pretend like it’s not real.

what happened last year, in reality, was that after fizdale was fired we competed at a different level and won more. we actually traded away one of our only good players in morris and we still won more. most of the fanbase wanted him fired but it wasn't really good for our draft position. it had very little to do with mo harkless or whatever name you want to put there.

[cgmw]

i'm pretty sure we didn't win any games because of payton and portis and ellington and taj

My bad. It was Mo Harkless.

Wins against Atlanta, GS, Detroit, Houston and Chicago in the final two weeks of the season.

Any sane franchise would have rolled with Mitch/Randle/Knox/RJ/DSJ (or Frank) to end the year knowing full well it could mean the difference between Obi and Lamelo.

Next you’ll tell me we didn’t win extra meaningless games playing the likes of Trey Burke and Emmanuel “I’m gonna get you right” Mudiay?

Fans love to bitch and moan about taking Knox over SGA, or about Frank over Sider Mitchell, but how quickly we forget the absolute idiocy it took to be drafting that low in the first place.

Normal teams would have played their scrubs in the final month and would have landed D Fox over Frank, Luka/Trey over Knox, or Lamelo over Obi.

Don’t pretend like it’s not real.

what happened last year, in reality, was that after fizdale was fired we competed at a different level and won more. we actually traded away one of our only good players in morris and we still won more. most of the fanbase wanted him fired but it wasn't really good for our draft position. it had very little to do with mo harkless or whatever name you want to put there.

So nothing to see here? Got it.

And the previous 2 out of 3 seasons? Also just pure coincidence that we won extra games at the end of the year while management pushed veterans over youth?

I attended two of those end of season wins sitting behind the Knicks bench, and I can tell you that Mike Miller was fighting for his job just like all those vet mercs were fighting for their next paycheck. Sorry, Sham, you are 100% incorrect here.

If this franchise wanted Fox, Trey Young, or Lamelo at PG all they had to do was swallow their stupid pride for a month or two at the end of the season instead of fighting like hell to prove what exactly?

But they clearly don’t want Lamelo on a rookie deal. They’d rather pay his big brother the big bucks. It’s so incredibly stupid it could only happen here.

[god shammgod]

My bad. It was Mo Harkless.

Wins against Atlanta, GS, Detroit, Houston and Chicago in the final two weeks of the season.

Any sane franchise would have rolled with Mitch/Randle/Knox/RJ/DSJ (or Frank) to end the year knowing full well it could mean the difference between Obi and Lamelo.

Next you’ll tell me we didn’t win extra meaningless games playing the likes of Trey Burke and Emmanuel “I’m gonna get you right” Mudiay?

Fans love to bitch and moan about taking Knox over SGA, or about Frank over Sider Mitchell, but how quickly we forget the absolute idiocy it took to be drafting that low in the first place.

Normal teams would have played their scrubs in the final month and would have landed D Fox over Frank, Luka/Trey over Knox, or Lamelo over Obi.

Don’t pretend like it’s not real.

what happened last year, in reality, was that after fizdale was fired we competed at a different level and won more. we actually traded away one of our only good players in morris and we still won more. most of the fanbase wanted him fired but it wasn't really good for our draft position. it had very little to do with mo harkless or whatever name you want to put there.

So nothing to see here? Got it.

And the previous 2 out of 3 seasons? Also just pure coincidence that we won extra games at the end of the year while management pushed veterans over youth?

I attended two of those end of season wins sitting behind the Knicks bench, and I can tell you that Mike Miller was fighting for his job just like all those vet mercs were fighting for their next paycheck. Sorry, Sham, you are 100% incorrect.

If this franchise wanted Fox, Trey Young, or Lamelo at PG all they had to do was swallow their stupid pride for a month or two at the end of the season instead of fighting like hell to prove what exactly?

what's incorrect ? we won more with mike miller, that's a fact. fizdale wanted his job too, he just was no good at it. now you're changing the argument to talk about 3 years ago. fizdale got us the worst record 2 years ago, all we had to do was keep him all year. we didn't.

[mikejames23]

Lavar can come for NY... he won't be able to handle it here. NY is something else. Not afraid of Lavar...

Now more importantly is Lonzo a baller or just another body? Still remains to be seen.