Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[winforlose]

Your pick is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. If we are not getting an allstar for it then we are not trading it. This is as honest and realistic as a feedback I can give. and Wiseman is not a bust, he doesn't even have 30 games under him in his career

Thank you for a respectful and reasonable response. Out of curiosity what all stars do you expect for it? BTW, it has a 60% of having value. If the wolves don’t get bumped out of 1-3 then it is a 2021-2022 pick with a Wolves team that has a year of seasoning for Edwards and a potential superstar/hall of famer if you believe the posters above. I also want to ask this respectfully and legitimately as you paid me that same courtesy. How sure are you that your owner is willing to spend more than 300 million next season to bring in another all star if everything goes correctly. It’s one thing to buy a championship, but with so many questions surrounding Klay and so little security if an injury sidelines Steph, how sure are is your fan base that he will willing lose money three years in a row?

The only players the Warriors front office would want from the T'Wolves are KAT and Edwards.

They may be willing to deal Wiseman or even the Minnesota 2021 FRP plus a couple 2nd round picks for Edwards. I am basing this solely on the fact that prior to the draft the Warriors FO indicated on multiple occasions that Edwards was the player they coveted the most in the draft. This could help the Wolves by substituting a redundant SG with another center to play along Towns, but what you guys seem to really need is a starting PF.

The second trade is the whole shebang for KAT (Wiseman + Minn 2021 FRP + other FRPs or pick swaps + Oubre + 2nds + whatever else). You guys now get to reboot with a younger team and yada yada yada. Let's face it, Warriors are in win now mode and KAT needs a change of scenery. He has 4 years left on his contract, which will likely be his prime playing years as a big man and he probably does not want to waste those years on a rebuilding team. I know this is difficult, but as a long-time Lions fan I wanted to trade Stafford at least 5 years ago in order to let him try to compete and win somewhere else and I think KAT deserves the same.

That is up to KAT and besides since you added KD anything you win gets a big old asterisk anyway. This season is a perfect example. You are paying more in tax then we are paying in salary. That is how leagues are corrupted to the point of no return. You are legitimately trying to buy a contender the same way the nets are in the east. Worse still, you think you can do it without giving up anything of real value.

[Old_Blue]

Wiggins is a negative asset who needs sweeteners to be taken. Wiseman is at best a project player. Our pick is not even close to enough value. I think you guys are looking through homer glasses.

Wiggins isn't near the negative asset he was at the start of this season. Come this off-season, he'll have $65 million owed to him on 2 remaining years under his contract. For a team looking to add a #3 scoring option and not take on a huge financial commitment, that's a respectable deal - especially when you consider what Gordon Hayward signed for this last off-season and what Victor Oladipo is likely to sign for this next off-season. As for Wiseman, I would agree that his value has diminished. The only teams interested in him would be those in full rebuild mode. And, even then, Wiseman could not be swapped straight up for a Top 5 pick in either of the next two drafts.

[SAKURABA216]

Thank you for a respectful and reasonable response. Out of curiosity what all stars do you expect for it? BTW, it has a 60% of having value. If the wolves don’t get bumped out of 1-3 then it is a 2021-2022 pick with a Wolves team that has a year of seasoning for Edwards and a potential superstar/hall of famer if you believe the posters above. I also want to ask this respectfully and legitimately as you paid me that same courtesy. How sure are you that your owner is willing to spend more than 300 million next season to bring in another all star if everything goes correctly. It’s one thing to buy a championship, but with so many questions surrounding Klay and so little security if an injury sidelines Steph, how sure are is your fan base that he will willing lose money three years in a row?

The only players the Warriors front office would want from the T'Wolves are KAT and Edwards.

They may be willing to deal Wiseman or even the Minnesota 2021 FRP plus a couple 2nd round picks for Edwards. I am basing this solely on the fact that prior to the draft the Warriors FO indicated on multiple occasions that Edwards was the player they coveted the most in the draft. This could help the Wolves by substituting a redundant SG with another center to play along Towns, but what you guys seem to really need is a starting PF.

The second trade is the whole shebang for KAT (Wiseman + Minn 2021 FRP + other FRPs or pick swaps + Oubre + 2nds + whatever else). You guys now get to reboot with a younger team and yada yada yada. Let's face it, Warriors are in win now mode and KAT needs a change of scenery. He has 4 years left on his contract, which will likely be his prime playing years as a big man and he probably does not want to waste those years on a rebuilding team. I know this is difficult, but as a long-time Lions fan I wanted to trade Stafford at least 5 years ago in order to let him try to compete and win somewhere else and I think KAT deserves the same.

That is up to KAT and besides since you added KD anything you win gets a big old asterisk anyway. This season is a perfect example. You are paying more in tax then we are paying in salary. That is how leagues are corrupted to the point of no return. You are legitimately trying to buy a contender the same way the nets are in the east. Worse still, you think you can do it without giving up anything of real value.

Don't get upset, I was just being real with you. The T'Wolves might be able to get a better package than what we are offering for KAT, but that is the most the Warriors would likely be able to offer short of trading Curry and Klay. Wiseman plus the Minnesota pick are the most valuable trade assets we have plus Wiggins to match salaries, which is probably why we haven't been able to land another all-star yet and are just waiting for the chips to fall. This time last year nobody would have been able to predict that Houston would blow it all up and Harden would demand a trade. I'm not saying this will happen to KAT, but the Warriors are essentially waiting with the above trade package to see if they can land anyone decent at this point. You may not think its worth much, but consider what the Nets gave up for Harden (Jarrett Allen, LaVert, picks) or what the Celtics are willing to offer in comparison (TPE, Nesmith, Pritchard).

As far as the salary cap situation, most of the money is sunk in retaining players that the Warriors legitly drafted and contributed in a big way to helping this team win 3 championships: Curry, Klay, and Green. This is hardly the case where this team is like the Yankees and buy up every free agent available. Wiggins is essentially trade filler and the Oubre deal was a desperation, last minute trade after Klay went down.

[Chupchup]

Your front office and ownership don’t mind spending huge money on a winning team, but your team is hardly a contender right now. Who knows if Klay will be anywhere close to where he was before the 2 years of injury absence. Either injury by itself is hard to come back from, but both, who knows. Green is past his prime. Wiseman is a disappointment according to your own threads and SB nation community. Steph might be good enough to lead you to the playoffs (we will see) but if you honestly expect to compete with your roster then good luck to you. Your so over burdened you cannot sign anyone and your best trade asset has a 40% chance not to convey. I don’t know what your so high and mighty about but hey, it’s your business. Maybe your owner enjoys losing money and your fan base will stay loyal for mediocre seasons with aging stars. Only time will tell.

Your pick is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. If we are not getting an allstar for it then we are not trading it. This is as honest and realistic as a feedback I can give. and Wiseman is not a bust, he doesn't even have 30 games under him in his career

Thank you for a respectful and reasonable response. Out of curiosity what all stars do you expect for it? BTW, it has a 60% of having value. If the wolves don’t get bumped out of 1-3 then it is a 2021-2022 pick with a Wolves team that has a year of seasoning for Edwards and a potential superstar/hall of famer if you believe the posters above. I also want to ask this respectfully and legitimately as you paid me that same courtesy. How sure are you that your owner is willing to spend more than 300 million next season to bring in another all star if everything goes correctly. It’s one thing to buy a championship, but with so many questions surrounding Klay and so little security if an injury sidelines Steph, how sure are is your fan base that he will willing lose money three years in a row?

The issue with your proposal is why do the Warriors need to give up your Minny's 2021 pick? I'm pretty sure we could give up a lotto protected future Warriors Pick if necessary. This isn't Wiggins with 4 years remaining on his contract like when we got him but a Wiggins with 2.4 years remaining.

To me I can definitely see ownership reducing the tax if we can't get good contending pieces for this year. However reduce is the key word. They just need to do is dump Oubre and/or Looney and/or Wanamaker and a good portion of that tax goes away. Those contracts are easier to shed. You send along money that covers most/part of the contract and/or a 2nd round pick .

[FNQ]

That is up to KAT and besides since you added KD anything you win gets a big old asterisk anyway. This season is a perfect example. You are paying more in tax then we are paying in salary. That is how leagues are corrupted to the point of no return. You are legitimately trying to buy a contender the same way the nets are in the east. Worse still, you think you can do it without giving up anything of real value.

lol dont worry about our titles, make the playoffs first. The league isn't corrupted - the Wolves have just been run poorly. Any team can get to our level of salary, if they have players they want to retain consistently. And the only asterisk the Wolves have is next to Joe Smith's contract.. so maybe not the hill you should be dying on

As for KAT, he's definitely a flawed superstar and I very much hope we don't get him, simply because the Wolves *need* to maximize their value on him, and I dont want to bank on someone hopefully turning into a winner. I'd rather have someone who has been on winners before and doesn't require a special complementary player to account for their defense.

All that said, I dont think what the Wolves ultimately get for KAT if/when they deal him will be much more than what was offered here - but I still hope we dont even offer that. The C position in our system doesn't really require all that much.

[winforlose]

The only players the Warriors front office would want from the T'Wolves are KAT and Edwards.

They may be willing to deal Wiseman or even the Minnesota 2021 FRP plus a couple 2nd round picks for Edwards. I am basing this solely on the fact that prior to the draft the Warriors FO indicated on multiple occasions that Edwards was the player they coveted the most in the draft. This could help the Wolves by substituting a redundant SG with another center to play along Towns, but what you guys seem to really need is a starting PF.

The second trade is the whole shebang for KAT (Wiseman + Minn 2021 FRP + other FRPs or pick swaps + Oubre + 2nds + whatever else). You guys now get to reboot with a younger team and yada yada yada. Let's face it, Warriors are in win now mode and KAT needs a change of scenery. He has 4 years left on his contract, which will likely be his prime playing years as a big man and he probably does not want to waste those years on a rebuilding team. I know this is difficult, but as a long-time Lions fan I wanted to trade Stafford at least 5 years ago in order to let him try to compete and win somewhere else and I think KAT deserves the same.

That is up to KAT and besides since you added KD anything you win gets a big old asterisk anyway. This season is a perfect example. You are paying more in tax then we are paying in salary. That is how leagues are corrupted to the point of no return. You are legitimately trying to buy a contender the same way the nets are in the east. Worse still, you think you can do it without giving up anything of real value.

Don't get upset, I was just being real with you. The T'Wolves might be able to get a better package than what we are offering for KAT, but that is the most the Warriors would likely be able to offer short of trading Curry and Klay. Wiseman plus the Minnesota pick are the most valuable trade assets we have plus Wiggins to match salaries, which is probably why we haven't been able to land another all-star yet and are just waiting for the chips to fall. This time last year nobody would have been able to predict that Houston would blow it all up and Harden would demand a trade. I'm not saying this will happen to KAT, but the Warriors are essentially waiting with the above trade package to see if they can land anyone decent at this point. You may not think its worth much, but consider what the Nets gave up for Harden (Jarrett Allen, LaVert, picks) or what the Celtics are willing to offer in comparison (TPE, Nesmith, Pritchard).

As far as the salary cap situation, most of the money is sunk in retaining players that the Warriors legitly drafted and contributed in a big way to helping this team win 3 championships: Curry, Klay, and Green. This is hardly the case where this team is like the Yankees and buy up every free agent available. Wiggins is essentially trade filler and the Oubre deal was a desperation, last minute trade after Klay went down.

Your point is valid but your numbers are insane. Most teams cannot pay their core your kind of money and then attract a KD. Then trading KD so you can carry another max and then getting an Oubre on top (even if it is an emergency replacement,) is not even close to even. Not even talking about the wolves, you guys are legit abusing the tax to compete. If any other team put up another 30 mil plus above the tax line they could make the playoffs too. Now your talking about trading Oubre for another player teams would want. Bottom line any team who is this abusive of the tax is outside the normal compete to win. It’s now pay to win and that is just corrupt. Talking about adding another max for Wiseman and our first so now your money is max PG, max SG, Max SF, major money PF, and fifth max probably C. If you can tell me that isn’t Yankees or isn’t cancer to the league then we have a very different opinion of professional sports.

[winforlose]

That is up to KAT and besides since you added KD anything you win gets a big old asterisk anyway. This season is a perfect example. You are paying more in tax then we are paying in salary. That is how leagues are corrupted to the point of no return. You are legitimately trying to buy a contender the same way the nets are in the east. Worse still, you think you can do it without giving up anything of real value.

lol dont worry about our titles, make the playoffs first. The league isn't corrupted - the Wolves have just been run poorly. Any team can get to our level of salary, if they have players they want to retain consistently. And the only asterisk the Wolves have is next to Joe Smith's contract.. so maybe not the hill you should be dying on

As for KAT, he's definitely a flawed superstar and I very much hope we don't get him, simply because the Wolves *need* to maximize their value on him, and I dont want to bank on someone hopefully turning into a winner. I'd rather have someone who has been on winners before and doesn't require a special complementary player to account for their defense.

All that said, I dont think what the Wolves ultimately get for KAT if/when they deal him will be much more than what was offered here - but I still hope we dont even offer that. The C position in our system doesn't really require all that much.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive. The super team nonsense which is killing the competitiveness of the league is tied directly into KD going to the champs. Even if you want to argue super teams started before you, the era of super teams is all you. Now your going crazy high salary trying to fill your whole starting 5 with huge money contracts. I am sorry it’s bad enough that big market teams attract better players with non cap ad money and more national exposure, but to let them abuse the tax using the profits from that natural imbalance is how leagues are corrupted. Put simply if you cannot win playing by the normal salary rules you just cheat. Not just you either, Brooklyn as well. Ignore the wolves, you are pushing all the small market teams out and turning the league into super team money ball. The only teams who can compete are the super lucky ones whose picks develop better than expected and whose stars stay healthy long enough. Not everyone can just buy replacement talent when their stars get hurt.

[ILOVEIT]

So I am a wolves fan with a trade idea and want perspective from both sides. I am pasting the exact post I made on the wolves trade thread. This one is a little out there so please try to keep an open mind. Also keep in mind the available players in the package in addition to Beasley are probably flexible excluding Ant, McDaniels, Nowell, Reid, KAT, and Dlo.

So the warriors are paying more in Luxury tax then our entire roster cost for the season. They are going to pay 147 mil in tax this season and because they were in the tax in 18-19 and 20-21 they will pay repeater in 21-22. There payroll is already over 160 with 11 guys assuming they don’t resign Oubre. They will also need to sign a high first and second round pick if they get our first. Given that I had a crazy notion. You guys might ask why in the world would we or they do it, but just here me out.

The way I see it Wiggins contract is just plain bad. No team will touch it without draft compensation and the Warriors are dreaming if they think they are getting a star (much less a superstar for him.) Worse still, unless they get an expiring they will end up paying even in more tax. So the Wolves offer them some relief and a couple of reasonably priced contracts.

Wolves gives Beasley, Layman, Culver (who they likely move in the offseason,) and Ed Davis (because the money is just slightly off with the other 3, we will need to take a player back as filler as well.)

Wolves get, Andrew Wiggins, Our first round pick, and our second round pick back.

Now I know your wondering, why would GSW do this just for salary and some cheap contracts. The answer is simple. Beasley plus Oubre rights is huge value in trade for acquiring another star for GSW. Klay will also be away from the game for 2 years plus and probably need to be eased into it. In the meantime Beasley is a scoring threat and would benefit from playing beside Steph. The savings on the Wiggins contract and the #4 or 5 overall pick are huge when you consider the repeater tax. Layman is also nice value on his contract and Culver is definitely salvageable or trade able for another young piece for them.

We meanwhile are stuck with a bad contract again and are right back in the Wiggins mess. But with our first and second round picks we have the ability to build back better for next season (yes that is a Biden rip off,) and we essentially got Dlo for Roco.

This assumes that GSW is unwilling to be at or above 180+ million after everything is said and done going into next season.

Edit to include we could always do this as a multi team trade if a third team would give GSW the max player they want in exchange for Beasley and our player package. GSW has a list of guys they want but don’t want to give Wiseman. They instead give Beasley and Oubre’s bird rights (not sure if they can negotiate an extension before the trade but I don’t think they can.) In any event it is just a sleep deprived notion from an insomniac. Feedback welcome.

What might work is a Wiseman, Wiggins for KAT and the pick..that sort of thing. We need to win now. You guys aren't going to be in the WCF or Championship conversation for a few years (not hating just stating).

Would you do Wiggins, Wiseman, Wolves pick....for KAT?

Wiggins is a negative asset who needs sweeteners to be taken. Wiseman is at best a project player. Our pick is not even close to enough value. I think you guys are looking through homer glasses.

Wait...what? Number 2 pick in the draft and has shown the ability to dribble the floor and dunk...shoot the three...he's 19 .... and "at best he's a project?" lol

KAT is fat...misses more games than he plays.... that's like me saying "at best Kat is a rehab needing a new venue".

But...thanks for dropping by

[xdrta+]

Your point is valid but your numbers are insane. Most teams cannot pay their core your kind of money and then attract a KD. Then trading KD so you can carry another max and then getting an Oubre on top (even if it is an emergency replacement,) is not even close to even. Not even talking about the wolves, you guys are legit abusing the tax to compete. If any other team put up another 30 mil plus above the tax line they could make the playoffs too. Now your talking about trading Oubre for another player teams would want. Bottom line any team who is this abusive of the tax is outside the normal compete to win. It’s now pay to win and that is just corrupt. Talking about adding another max for Wiseman and our first so now your money is max PG, max SG, Max SF, major money PF, and fifth max probably C. If you can tell me that isn’t Yankees or isn’t cancer to the league then we have a very different opinion of professional sports.

This is about the worst take I've seen in a long time. They were not paying their core "your kind of money and then attract a KD," they could sign KD because the the "core" of Thompson, Green, and Curry had a total cap impact of about $44M. Today those three are about $100M. They could dump Bogut and Barnes and a few minor players and have room for KD.

The idea that the Warriors are "abusing the tax" or are "abusive of the tax" is just nonsense. Fantasyland stuff.

[winforlose]

Your point is valid but your numbers are insane. Most teams cannot pay their core your kind of money and then attract a KD. Then trading KD so you can carry another max and then getting an Oubre on top (even if it is an emergency replacement,) is not even close to even. Not even talking about the wolves, you guys are legit abusing the tax to compete. If any other team put up another 30 mil plus above the tax line they could make the playoffs too. Now your talking about trading Oubre for another player teams would want. Bottom line any team who is this abusive of the tax is outside the normal compete to win. It’s now pay to win and that is just corrupt. Talking about adding another max for Wiseman and our first so now your money is max PG, max SG, Max SF, major money PF, and fifth max probably C. If you can tell me that isn’t Yankees or isn’t cancer to the league then we have a very different opinion of professional sports.

This is about the worst take I've seen in a long time. They were not paying their core "your kind of money and then attract a KD," they could sign KD because the the "core" of Thompson, Green, and Curry had a total cap impact of about $44M. Today those three are about $100M. They could dump Bogut and Barnes and a few minor players and have room for KD.

The idea that the Warriors are "abusing the tax" or are "abusive of the tax" is just nonsense. Fantasyland stuff.

Proof

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-luxury-tax-bill-far-outpaces-every-team-nba-season%3Famp

Also that is before you trying to add salary via trade.

[xdrta+]

Your point is valid but your numbers are insane. Most teams cannot pay their core your kind of money and then attract a KD. Then trading KD so you can carry another max and then getting an Oubre on top (even if it is an emergency replacement,) is not even close to even. Not even talking about the wolves, you guys are legit abusing the tax to compete. If any other team put up another 30 mil plus above the tax line they could make the playoffs too. Now your talking about trading Oubre for another player teams would want. Bottom line any team who is this abusive of the tax is outside the normal compete to win. It’s now pay to win and that is just corrupt. Talking about adding another max for Wiseman and our first so now your money is max PG, max SG, Max SF, major money PF, and fifth max probably C. If you can tell me that isn’t Yankees or isn’t cancer to the league then we have a very different opinion of professional sports.

This is about the worst take I've seen in a long time. They were not paying their core "your kind of money and then attract a KD," they could sign KD because the the "core" of Thompson, Green, and Curry had a total cap impact of about $44M. Today those three are about $100M. They could dump Bogut and Barnes and a few minor players and have room for KD.

The idea that the Warriors are "abusing the tax" or are "abusive of the tax" is just nonsense. Fantasyland stuff.

Proof

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-luxury-tax-bill-far-outpaces-every-team-nba-season%3Famp

Also that is before you trying to add salary via trade.

What does that prove, that the Warriors tax bill is bigger than others? Everyone knows that. So what? How is that abuse? If it makes you feel better your team will get their share of it. And you don't add salary via trade when you're over the cap, at least not much. But you still haven't said how they're "abusing" the system.

Their bill is high because they're paying Klay $30M for not playing for two years, $22M to Dryamond as a reward for his championship years, and Curry. For following the rules you claim "abuse." Makes no sense.

[winforlose]

This is about the worst take I've seen in a long time. They were not paying their core "your kind of money and then attract a KD," they could sign KD because the the "core" of Thompson, Green, and Curry had a total cap impact of about $44M. Today those three are about $100M. They could dump Bogut and Barnes and a few minor players and have room for KD.

The idea that the Warriors are "abusing the tax" or are "abusive of the tax" is just nonsense. Fantasyland stuff.

Proof

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-luxury-tax-bill-far-outpaces-every-team-nba-season%3Famp

Also that is before you trying to add salary via trade.

What does that prove, that the Warriors tax bill is bigger than others? Everyone knows that. So what? How is that abuse? If it makes you feel better your team will get their share of it. And you don't add salary via trade when you're over the cap, at least not much. But you still haven't said how they're "abusing" the system.

Their bill is high because they're paying Klay $30M for not playing for two years, $22M to Dryamond as a reward for his championship years, and Curry. For following the rules you claim "abuse." Makes no sense.

How many teams have that much money to throw against the tax to stay competitive? How much better would Detroit, Orlando, Sacramento, Minnesota, or other bottom ranked teams be if they had the same resources. Just like with the Yankees, it’s not against the rules but it abuses the game. Big market teams already get big market add revenue to supplement their players income. Increased national attention also raises the profile which increases their supplemental income and post career income. You combine big market and big tax advantages and you see why the league is the way it is. If your whole argument is your following the rules so what’s the harm, you are making the Yankees argument. Yet ask the average small market fan what the biggest problem in baseball is and they will tell you the Yankees and teams like them doubling everyone else’s payroll. You are literally more than doubling our payroll this season. Ours is around 130 yours is 176 plus an estimated 147 in tax. You honestly don’t see a problem?

[xdrta+]

If your argument is that the Warriors have more money to spend than other teams, you lose. The Clipper owner could buy and sell the Warriors 10 times over. Dan Gilbert of the Cavs (known as a small market team) is worth over $50 billion. Your owner, Glen Taylor, has twice the net worth that Joe Lacob has. Everyone is entitled to spend the same amount of money. Not everyone wants to do it. Maybe you should talk to your owners before you come whining around here that the Warriors are willing to spend money.

[tarantism]

I find it interesting that the perception outside of our team is still that the Warriors should be desperate to give up valuable assets to get off of Wiggins. I don't think the Warriors feel that way at all. Even if it was true, Wiggins has been pretty good for us. Rather than attach picks to get rid of him, they'd just assume keep him. He'll soon be an expiring, and worse case scenario he'll just walk and the Warriors get an ass load cap back. It's not like he's aged out, he will still be in his prime when his contract expires.

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[winforlose]

If your argument is that the Warriors have more money to spend than other teams, you lose. The Clipper owner could buy and sell the Warriors 10 times over. Dan Gilbert of the Cavs (known as a small market team) is worth over $50 billion. Your owner, Glen Taylor, has twice the net worth that Joe Lacob has. Everyone is entitled to spend the same amount of money. Not everyone wants to do it. Maybe you should talk to your owners before you come whining around here that the Warriors are willing to spend money.

Funny how the people who get the unnatural advantage never seem to mind it. Just like Yankee fans never seem to mind it. SMH.

[Warriors Analyst]

Proof

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-luxury-tax-bill-far-outpaces-every-team-nba-season%3Famp

Also that is before you trying to add salary via trade.

What does that prove, that the Warriors tax bill is bigger than others? Everyone knows that. So what? How is that abuse? If it makes you feel better your team will get their share of it. And you don't add salary via trade when you're over the cap, at least not much. But you still haven't said how they're "abusing" the system.

Their bill is high because they're paying Klay $30M for not playing for two years, $22M to Dryamond as a reward for his championship years, and Curry. For following the rules you claim "abuse." Makes no sense.

How many teams have that much money to throw against the tax to stay competitive? How much better would Detroit, Orlando, Sacramento, Minnesota, or other bottom ranked teams be if they had the same resources. Just like with the Yankees, it’s not against the rules but it abuses the game. Big market teams already get big market add revenue to supplement their players income. Increased national attention also raises the profile which increases their supplemental income and post career income. You combine big market and big tax advantages and you see why the league is the way it is. If your whole argument is your following the rules so what’s the harm, you are making the Yankees argument. Yet ask the average small market fan what the biggest problem in baseball is and they will tell you the Yankees and teams like them doubling everyone else’s payroll. You are literally more than doubling our payroll this season. Ours is around 130 yours is 176 plus an estimated 147 in tax. You honestly don’t see a problem?

The Warriors weren't always a big market team. Our big market perception is owed almost entirely to Steph. Lacob purchased the team at $450 million. In less than 10 years, the team is believed to be worth millions. Under Cohan, we had a deal for KG in the 2007 offseason agreed to and then... our owner, Chris Cohan, refused to spend the money to extend KG and went ahead with the first step of that deal anyway to save money and traded Jason Richardson for the #8 pick Brandan Wright.

We're doubling your payroll because our owner wants to. It's as simple as that. If Glen Taylor wanted to pay taxes he, would.

[winforlose]

What does that prove, that the Warriors tax bill is bigger than others? Everyone knows that. So what? How is that abuse? If it makes you feel better your team will get their share of it. And you don't add salary via trade when you're over the cap, at least not much. But you still haven't said how they're "abusing" the system.

Their bill is high because they're paying Klay $30M for not playing for two years, $22M to Dryamond as a reward for his championship years, and Curry. For following the rules you claim "abuse." Makes no sense.

How many teams have that much money to throw against the tax to stay competitive? How much better would Detroit, Orlando, Sacramento, Minnesota, or other bottom ranked teams be if they had the same resources. Just like with the Yankees, it’s not against the rules but it abuses the game. Big market teams already get big market add revenue to supplement their players income. Increased national attention also raises the profile which increases their supplemental income and post career income. You combine big market and big tax advantages and you see why the league is the way it is. If your whole argument is your following the rules so what’s the harm, you are making the Yankees argument. Yet ask the average small market fan what the biggest problem in baseball is and they will tell you the Yankees and teams like them doubling everyone else’s payroll. You are literally more than doubling our payroll this season. Ours is around 130 yours is 176 plus an estimated 147 in tax. You honestly don’t see a problem?

The Warriors weren't always a big market team. Our big market perception is owed almost entirely to Steph. Lacob purchased the team at $450 million. In less than 10 years, the team is believed to be worth millions. Under Cohan, we had a deal for KG in the 2007 offseason agreed to and then... our owner, Chris Cohan, refused to spend the money to extend KG and went ahead with the first step of that deal anyway to save money and traded Jason Richardson for the #8 pick Brandan Wright.

We're doubling your payroll because our owner wants to. It's as simple as that. If Glen Taylor wanted to pay taxes he, would.

Again, the point isn’t that any team could do it, the point is the game allows it just like with baseball. You can justify how you want, but anyone being honest knows it bad for the game. It’s one thing if 10% or even 20%, but more than double is just obscene.

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Funny how the people who get the unnatural advantage never seem to mind it. Just like Yankee fans never seem to mind it. SMH.

Funny how you can't explain just what the "unnatural advantage" the Warriors are getting is. That the Warrior owners are willing to spend money? I suppose that, compared to your owner, or others around the league, that might seem "unnatural."

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Funny how the people who get the unnatural advantage never seem to mind it. Just like Yankee fans never seem to mind it. SMH.

Funny how you can't explain just what the "unnatural advantage" the Warriors are getting is. That the Warrior owners are willing to spend money? I suppose that, compared to your owner, or others around the league, that might seem "unnatural."

You must not be a baseball fan. Any team could do what the Yankees do, but they don’t. Double the payroll (actually more than double) of most teams and the league median is the unnatural advantage.

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Where do you get the idea that the Warriors double the Minnesota payroll?

According to Spotrac for 2021:

Warriors....$172,157,943

T'Wolves....$128,979,723

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Doesn't look like double to me.