2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

[vic]

Heres my new updated nerded out Pistons focused draft list:

I maintain I would rather have 2 guys from my 3rd tier than 1 from my 2nd tier (championship goals).

Small guards are fun to watch but very few lead their teams to championships. "Isaiah Thomas ain't walking through that door"


Top Tier - Future All NBA, championship material
Cade: 6'8 JKidd/Chauncey Billups
Mobley: 7 foot Bill Russell/Chris Bosh
Jonathan Kuminga: PG & Kahwi in one

2nd Tier - playoff contributors, potential stars
Suggs - future top 15 guard
Green - spark plug sg

3rd Tier - championship level glue guys
Franz Wagner - versatile 2 way high iq
Moses Moody - two way SG
Ziaire Williams - triple double shot making threat as a wing
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - all star talent, but skinny, poor man's KD
Josh Giddey - tall playmaker
Springer - future top 15 pg, but we have so many pgs
Benedict Mathurin - solid wing


2nd Round
Kessler Edwards - potential 2 way wing
Trey Murphy - 3 point wing
Santi Aldama - smooth skilled big
Charles Bassey - athletic big

[zeebneeb]

Heres my new updated nerded out Pistons focused draft list:

I maintain I would rather have 2 guys from my 3rd tier than 1 from my 2nd tier (championship goals).

Small guards are fun to watch but very few lead their teams to championships. "Isaiah Thomas ain't walking through that door"


Top Tier - Future All NBA, championship material
Cade: 6'8 JKidd/Chauncey Billups
Mobley: 7 foot Bill Russell/Chris Bosh
Jonathan Kuminga: PG & Kahwi in one

2nd Tier - playoff contributors, potential stars
Suggs - future top 15 guard
Green - spark plug sg

3rd Tier - championship level glue guys
Franz Wagner - versatile 2 way high iq
Moses Moody - two way SG
Ziaire Williams - triple double shot making threat as a wing
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - all star talent, but skinny, poor man's KD
Josh Giddey - tall playmaker
Springer - future top 15 pg, but we have so many pgs
Benedict Mathurin - solid wing


2nd Round
Kessler Edwards - potential 2 way wing
Trey Murphy - 3 point wing
Santi Aldama - smooth skilled big
Charles Bassey - athletic big

I agree with your 1st list except leaving Green out. That kid has a motor from hell itself. He goes after it, hard.

Green is going to be a big time scoring machine in the NBA, and to me has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft. I also question Mobley somewhat.(motor related. Not aggressive enough at times)

In the end, I would have zero problem ending with any of those 4 players, but I want Green or Cade. This team will be set if they draft either one of those guys.

Hayes
Green/Cade
Bey
Grant
Stewart

After a year or two of playing together, they could be a fun team to watch, and playoff bound. Now if it takes a year for them to get it together, and the Pistons again draft in the top 5? You go hard after a big man if Stewie looks like a backup by then.

#dreamscenario

[MotownMadness]

I'm gonna wait for the tournament to end then start like a top 10 mock on here. Have a feeling Suggs is about to show out

[zeebneeb]

I'm gonna wait for the tournament to end then start like a top 10 mock on here. Have a feeling Suggs is about to show out

That would be great. The more top flight picks that look great, the deeper the draft goes, the better we'll all feel about the 6th, or 7th pick if that suckage does indeed happen.

[MotownMadness]

I'm gonna wait for the tournament to end then start like a top 10 mock on here. Have a feeling Suggs is about to show out

That would be great. The more top flight picks that look great, the deeper the draft goes, the better we'll all feel about the 6th, or 7th pick if that suckage does indeed happen.

I just like to get a concensus big board on the Pistons forum. That way we know where posters stand on these guys.

[zeebneeb]

I'm gonna wait for the tournament to end then start like a top 10 mock on here. Have a feeling Suggs is about to show out

That would be great. The more top flight picks that look great, the deeper the draft goes, the better we'll all feel about the 6th, or 7th pick if that suckage does indeed happen.

I just like to get a concensus big board on the Pistons forum. That way we know where posters stand on these guys.

Sounds good.

Green
Cade
Suggs
Mobley
Kuminga

That's my big board.

[MotownMadness]

That would be great. The more top flight picks that look great, the deeper the draft goes, the better we'll all feel about the 6th, or 7th pick if that suckage does indeed happen.

I just like to get a concensus big board on the Pistons forum. That way we know where posters stand on these guys.

Sounds good.

Green
Cade
Suggs
Mobley
Kuminga

That's my big board.

Yeah top 5 is easy but I'm curious to see who people like after that so we can go back when people complain in hindsight

[guldakot]

Cade
Green
Mobley
Wagner
Kuminga
Suggs
Bouknight
Barnes
Moody
Kjohnson
JJohnson
Kai Jones

This is how I rank the players currently ( I went 12 deep in a nightmare scenario where somehow the stones turn into a bubble team, I dont think they will but what the hell).

The reason I have Wagner so high is that he is one of the smartest players I've seen in college in a while, very cerebral approach to the game and he has the tangible skills as well.

[MotownMadness]

My top 10 prior to the tourney is

Cade
Mobley
Green
Suggs
Kuminga
Moody
Barnes
Keon Johnson
Wagner
Springer

[MotownMadness]

Ayo Dosunmu is gonna be a good one and probably get picked by a playoff team

[zeebneeb]

Cade
Green
Mobley
Wagner
Kuminga
Suggs
Bouknight
Barnes
Moody
Kjohnson
JJohnson
Kai Jones

This is how I rank the players currently ( I went 12 deep in a nightmare scenario where somehow the stones turn into a bubble team, I dont think they will but what the hell).

The reason I have Wagner so high is that he is one of the smartest players I've seen in college in a while, very cerebral approach to the game and he has the tangible skills as well.

I hate that you have Wagner that high, love that you have Green at #1.

I'm gonna be honest. Monroe, Andre, and trading Wood has done a number on me. I want no part of picking another Big man. I would only draft Mobley if he was there after Green, Cade, Suggs, and Kuminga.

No to big men, never again. You trade for known big men.

[Piston Pete]

As of right now:

Cade
Green
Mobely
Suggs
Kuminga
Moody
Bouknight
Giddey
Williams
Barnes

[MotownMadness]

Tennessee getting ready to start (keon Johnson and Springer)

Keon is crazy athletic

[guldakot]

Cade
Green
Mobley
Wagner
Kuminga
Suggs
Bouknight
Barnes
Moody
Kjohnson
JJohnson
Kai Jones

This is how I rank the players currently ( I went 12 deep in a nightmare scenario where somehow the stones turn into a bubble team, I dont think they will but what the hell).

The reason I have Wagner so high is that he is one of the smartest players I've seen in college in a while, very cerebral approach to the game and he has the tangible skills as well.

I hate that you have Wagner that high, love that you have Green at #1.

I'm gonna be honest. Monroe, Andre, and trading Wood has done a number on me. I want no part of picking another Big man. I would only draft Mobley if he was there after Green, Cade, Suggs, and Kuminga.

No to big men, never again. You trade for known big men.

This isn't my Pistons draft wishlist, this is how I rank the Talent. If I am strictly going BPA I go by this list (for the record in my view Kuminga has both the high potential ceiling as well as the highest bust potential in this list, he seems like he has the complete package, but something about his game has me scared of drafting him) Mobley has the potential to be the penultimate modern big, has outside range, very good defensively, 3 level scorer. If he had that killer mentality I would move heaven and earth to draft him, but he comes across as wishy-washy at times. Then again, so did Ant and hes looking like the second coming since the ASB.

Cade is what he is, he reads more Penny then Ghill to me though (still both HoF level talents).

Mobley reads like potentially a better version of Bosh.

Green is going to be a certified scorer in this league, I can't tell if hes in the Kobe/wade mold or the Stackhouse mold though.

Wagner is intriguing in that much like Bey, I can see him stepping in and playing like a 10 year vet his rookie season. I have no idea how high his ceiling is though.

Kuminga feels (to me) like a weird version of Paul George, at times he is awkward as hell, but thats more then likely because he is still growing into his body. I know they are nothing alike but I get Mario Hezonja vibes from him, I do not draft this player just because he gives me the yips (hes probably going to be a monster and I will look like a fool)

Suggs I can appreciate his game, but he feels undersized (I view him as a 2/combo guard in the nba), and given how he plays I see a crapload of injuries in his future. Best comp I've got for him is a more serious Steve Francis. (much like Kuminga Im probably wrong here) He feels like he plays borderline out of control at times speedwise.

Bouknight could end up being the best scorer of this draft, his game is this weird amalgamation of Redd meets Crab meets Stuckey, first step isnt that impressive but then afterwords he turns on deceptive speed, has that stuckey craftyness around the rim. Ceiling is current booker level, floor is Crabbe with the blazers imo.

Barnes biggest attribute is his phenomenal combo of speed and size for his natural position, bodywise hes what you want out of a modern nba wing. Skills wise hes a project. He doesn't do anything at a super high level, but the potential is there. (I think he ends up as a disappointment ala Oubre)

Moody has me torn, plays and feels like a 2 guard version of current Jerami Grant. I expect he will be a good player, but his shot release is LOW. Hes going to get blocked ALOT in his rookie season unless he speeds up the release or starts his shot higher.

Keon Johnson offensively reads like a bigger Jah Morant without the passing, the talent and feel is there, needs to add some bulk though he gets shoved around. I like his game, definately a finesse player.

Jalen Johnson has all the tools, reminds me of a slightly slower version of Tatum. Leaving early really hurt his draft stock, but workouts could see him rise up the board. Hes going to be a good player, but his ceiling is in question due to lack of exposure. minimum of a 6-8 year career in the nba as a rotation player is his floor.

Kai Jones is an athletic freak but definately a project player. Needs to bulk up, quality of nba skills and his drive is questionable, but he has shown flashes that justify mid to late lottery selection. Could be Giannis, could be WCS. 100 percent potential, not alot of substance to go on here.

[zeebneeb]

Cade
Green
Mobley
Wagner
Kuminga
Suggs
Bouknight
Barnes
Moody
Kjohnson
JJohnson
Kai Jones

This is how I rank the players currently ( I went 12 deep in a nightmare scenario where somehow the stones turn into a bubble team, I dont think they will but what the hell).

The reason I have Wagner so high is that he is one of the smartest players I've seen in college in a while, very cerebral approach to the game and he has the tangible skills as well.

I hate that you have Wagner that high, love that you have Green at #1.

I'm gonna be honest. Monroe, Andre, and trading Wood has done a number on me. I want no part of picking another Big man. I would only draft Mobley if he was there after Green, Cade, Suggs, and Kuminga.

No to big men, never again. You trade for known big men.

This isn't my Pistons draft wishlist, this is how I rank the Talent. If I am strictly going BPA I go by this list (for the record in my view Kuminga has both the high potential ceiling as well as the highest bust potential in this list, he seems like he has the complete package, but something about his game has me scared of drafting him) Mobley has the potential to be the penultimate modern big, has outside range, very good defensively, 3 level scorer. If he had that killer mentality I would move heaven and earth to draft him, but he comes across as wishy-washy at times. Then again, so did Ant and hes looking like the second coming since the ASB.

Cade is what he is, he reads more Penny then Ghill to me though (still both HoF level talents).

Mobley reads like potentially a better version of Bosh.

Green is going to be a certified scorer in this league, I can't tell if hes in the Kobe/wade mold or the Stackhouse mold though.

Wagner is intriguing in that much like Bey, I can see him stepping in and playing like a 10 year vet his rookie season. I have no idea how high his ceiling is though.

Kuminga feels (to me) like a weird version of Paul George, at times he is awkward as hell, but thats more then likely because he is still growing into his body. I know they are nothing alike but I get Mario Hezonja vibes from him, I do not draft this player just because he gives me the yips (hes probably going to be a monster and I will look like a fool)

Suggs I can appreciate his game, but he feels undersized (I view him as a 2/combo guard in the nba), and given how he plays I see a crapload of injuries in his future. Best comp I've got for him is a more serious Steve Francis. (much like Kuminga Im probably wrong here) He feels like he plays borderline out of control at times speedwise.

Bouknight could end up being the best scorer of this draft, his game is this weird amalgamation of Redd meets Crab meets Stuckey, first step isnt that impressive but then afterwords he turns on deceptive speed, has that stuckey craftyness around the rim. Ceiling is current booker level, floor is Crabbe with the blazers imo.

Barnes biggest attribute is his phenomenal combo of speed and size for his natural position, bodywise hes what you want out of a modern nba wing. Skills wise hes a project. He doesn't do anything at a super high level, but the potential is there. (I think he ends up as a disappointment ala Oubre)

Moody has me torn, plays and feels like a 2 guard version of current Jerami Grant. I expect he will be a good player, but his shot release is LOW. Hes going to get blocked ALOT in his rookie season unless he speeds up the release or starts his shot higher.

Keon Johnson offensively reads like a bigger Jah Morant without the passing, the talent and feel is there, needs to add some bulk though he gets shoved around. I like his game, definately a finesse player.

Jalen Johnson has all the tools, reminds me of a slightly slower version of Tatum. Leaving early really hurt his draft stock, but workouts could see him rise up the board. Hes going to be a good player, but his ceiling is in question due to lack of exposure. minimum of a 6-8 year career in the nba as a rotation player is his floor.

Kai Jones is an athletic freak but definately a project player. Needs to bulk up, quality of nba skills and his drive is questionable, but he has shown flashes that justify mid to late lottery selection. Could be Giannis, could be WCS. 100 percent potential, not alot of substance to go on here.

Very good breakdown, something im just not going to do past the top 5, as I feel if the Pistons miss out this year, it's going to be another long, brutal winter with no hope.

I'm not kidding that I'm pinning everything on the draft this year. 30 years of Fandom on the line. Top 5, or bust. Preferably top 3, but that's asking a lot. The Pistons need to land a Whale, not another bass, or worse, a guppie. I'm done with the BS.

[Pharaoh]

Ideally we land top 4 tbh

Cade, Green, Mobley or Suggs and then as early as next season we could be a team on the rise with cap flexibility to make a real move.

The doom and gloom that existed this last off-season will be a distant memory.



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[tmorgan]

zeeb, don’t let the draft hype destroy you.

Yes, there’s a good chance to get a foundational player this year if we’re lucky, but there’s a very real chance we’re picking 5th or later this year (I have a top 4, not 5... Kuminga scares me, too). That’s just how the lottery works these days. Only dead last guarantees you a top 4 pick.

We did a lot to get started this year. If Killian comes around, we did a ton. Don’t forget that.

[rmfc]

zeeb, don’t let the draft hype destroy you.

Yes, there’s a good chance to get a foundational player this year if we’re lucky, but there’s a very real chance we’re picking 5th or later this year (I have a top 4, not 5... Kuminga scares me, too). That’s just how the lottery works these days. Only dead last guarantees you a top 4 pick.

We did a lot to get started this year. If Killian comes around, we did a ton. Don’t forget that.

Kuminga looks like more like a PF to me (sort of a more mobile Aldridge). He'd be my 5th option as well.

Top 4 are very exciting players.

[NYPiston]

I'm gonna wait for the tournament to end then start like a top 10 mock on here. Have a feeling Suggs is about to show out

I have no doubt that he will. You can just tell that he lives for the big games.

Early round prospect assessment. Moody and the Tennessee guys had very quiet games, Moody got in foul trouble early so that threw off his rhythm. Cade playing now against a dangerous 1st round opponent in Liberty.

[NYPiston]

Ayo Dosunmu is gonna be a good one and probably get picked by a playoff team

The most underrated prospect in the draft for me. He's not quite as athletic as the top guys and he's a little older than a lot of the projected lottery tickets but he's one of those guys who just knows how to play the game, very high basketball intellect and is as clutch as any player in this draft. I'd have him in the back half of the top 10.