NBA Trade Thread # 3

[MrSparkle]

When is the trade deadline? Next week??

6 days sir.

[Chi town]

There is no way I would trade our pick this year before finding out where it lands. I definitely would not trade a top 3 pick for Grant or Woods.

For a player like Grant you do because you will make the playoffs and that pick will be late teens.

We don't know that. What if some player(s) get injured which is strong possibility with our team or he doesn't mesh like you expect? Dude has literally only been balling at close to star level for half a season.

Cmon man.

What are the chances our pick is better than Grant in the next 3 years?

Grant plays the most important role in the league... 3/4 wing.

Grant has been balling for awhile. He was awesome in the bubble and has shown he can be a first option on an awful team.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Chances top 5 pick being better than Grant in next 3-5 years, 3 years 50%, 5 years 80-90%

[WindyCityBorn]

For a player like Grant you do because you will make the playoffs and that pick will be late teens.

We don't know that. What if some player(s) get injured which is strong possibility with our team or he doesn't mesh like you expect? Dude has literally only been balling at close to star level for half a season.

I guess you can protect it top 3, which covers the 1% chance a major injury happens AND we win the lottery

I went and looked up his stats. I’m not impressed. TS% of 57 percent, 5 rebs, 3 asts, 36% from 3, 48% on 2s. Is he supposed to be our second star? His contract is not star payment though so makes it palatable. I would need top 5 protection for multiple seasons. I’d rather give them Markkanen.

[sco]

Chances top 5 pick being better than Grant in next 3-5 years, 3 years 50%, 5 years 80-90%

Just Pfft

[WindyCityBorn]

For a player like Grant you do because you will make the playoffs and that pick will be late teens.

We don't know that. What if some player(s) get injured which is strong possibility with our team or he doesn't mesh like you expect? Dude has literally only been balling at close to star level for half a season.

Cmon man.

What are the chances our pick is better than Grant in the next 3 years?

Grant plays the most important role in the league... 3/4 wing.

Grant has been balling for awhile. He was awesome in the bubble and has shown he can be a first option on an awful team.

His numbers are not that impressive. He is outplaying his contract, but I would not give up a potential top pick for him. He would not make us contender. I’m sure Minnesota was saying the same thing when they traded for Deangelo Russell and nowthey are probably going to lose their pick and they are awful. I’m not trading a pick until I know exactly where it lands. We can get Grant on draft night if it’s worth it.

[MrSparkle]

We don't know that. What if some player(s) get injured which is strong possibility with our team or he doesn't mesh like you expect? Dude has literally only been balling at close to star level for half a season.

Cmon man.

What are the chances our pick is better than Grant in the next 3 years?

Grant plays the most important role in the league... 3/4 wing.

Grant has been balling for awhile. He was awesome in the bubble and has shown he can be a first option on an awful team.

His numbers are not that impressive. He is outplaying his contract, but I would not give up a potential top pick for him. He would not make us contender. I’m sure Minnesota was saying the same thing when they traded for Deangelo Russell and nowthey are probably going to lose their pick and they are awful. I’m not trading a pick until I know exactly where it lands. We can get Grant on draft night if it’s worth it.

I dunno about that. If you told me that DEN/bubble Jerami Grant learned how to score in iso as a primary option, I'd offer him the full max. Truthfully, I never expected him to even become a very reliable 3P shooter, let alone a triple threat. I was on the fence with DEN's decision to let him walk; I understood it as a means to start MPJ, but he was awfully important picking up the slack when the Nuggets' defense was ****ing the bed against Utah and the LAs.

Given his 2y+ remaining guaranteed on a discount, he's bait for a top-5 pick IMO. Not saying it would make sense for any tank-job team, but I'd imagine that's DET's asking price. Short of Cade's or Suggs' ceilings, not sure anybody in the draft brings elite two-way production as a hybrid forward.

[ChettheJet]

Lauri/Arci for Obi/Knox/FRP (top-18 protected with reduced 15 & 12 protections until 23)

I feel like Obi is the anti-thesis of Thibs. Seems like a bust, but Donovan could unlock his offensive potential, like he did with Thad.

If anyone can get the Knicks to stamp their approval on this get them an ink pad.

Even if the Bulls don't eventually get that pick it's a good deal. I don't think Billy is some kind of PF whisperer but if the Knicks want to give up on their FRP 35 games into his NBA career and ditch Knox who has played for how many head coaches in his short career you jump at the chance. Arci has gotten plenty of chances to show how much he's improved since he was a rookie, and he's still just a gym rat happy to be in the league. Lauri could put up the 19-7 numbers for Thibs and he'd get injured in a different colored uniform just like Kris Dunn in ATL.

I'd happily take a chance on Toppin and Knox, tell them they've got contracts, so don't try to throw up shots and dunk the ball every time you touch it. You'll make an impression if you play hard, stay within the offense, play defense and show you can be part of the team. Young guys that get traded are split, they either resent everybody and still act like potential is their skill or they look in the mirror and see they aren't kids any more so they take the fresh start and start learning NBA basketball. Right now the Bulls have good teachers in Otto, Thad and Garrett. They seem to have gotten through to PW.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Problem with Toppin he is not young guy for a rookie. He is 23 already, nine or ten months difference between him and Lauri in 4 year. Young guys from other teams worthy of second chance imo Jaxson Hayes, Anfernee Simmons, Harry Giles (second contract already), Aron Holiday, R.Williams, Monk, McDaniels, Reddish.

[Dan Z]

When is the trade deadline? Next week??

March 25th (next Thursday)

[d boy gentleman]

I'm really not sure what Detroit's plan is at the moment. They've got almost nothing going for them other than Grant, so trading him is in a way counter-productive, but I'll suggest a trade anyway:

Pistons Trade: J. Grant, Plumlee, and Delon Wright
Bulls Trade: Coby White, Wendell Carter, 2020 1st Round Pick, and Otto Porter

Why For The Bulls: We finally give Zach a sidekick who can play and defend multiple positions. If Jerami's "stardom" proves to be a fluke, then we have a high-level role player who is still exceptionally valuable. Plumlee and Wright aren't spectacular, but they give us steady and dependable production at our two weakest spots. Some may feel like it's an expensive package for a guy who is still unproven as a star, but the truth is that this trade really makes us into a significantly deeper and more potent team.

Why For The Pistons: While Grant's having a great year, it's hard to imagine a viable path to build a team around him. He's 27-years-old, on a completely different timeline than whoever they'll draft, and only locked up for two more seasons. Instead, the Pistons convert Grant into two young and recent lottery picks and a draft pick while also freeing up some financial flexibility.

New Lineup:

C. Markkanen/Plumlee/Kornett
PF.Grant/Young
SF.P. Williams/Valentine
SG.LaVine/Temple
PG.Satoransky/Wright/Arcidiacano

Thoughts?

1.I'd say that you'd have to give them Lauri instead of Wendell

2. 2020 1st round draft pick would be Patrick. I'm guessing you mean 2021 and you'd probably have to throw in 2023 as well

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[Grodoboldo]

I just wanna point out that yes, we miss Garrett Temple. But what does "damn, we miss Garrett Temple" says about our team?

C'mon guys, it's been fun to not suck that bad, but it's time to pull the plug. Trade Thad at peak value, I'm sure Sato gets you something, trade Markannen for a bag of chips and test the waters on Coby and WCJ.
Yes, LaVine really turned a corner, and that's great. But if we offer him the full max this summer (using our capspace to renegotiate his contract, which we should ABSOLUTELY try) and he says no, he's gotta go.

[Ccwatercraft]

For a player like Grant you do because you will make the playoffs and that pick will be late teens.

We don't know that. What if some player(s) get injured which is strong possibility with our team or he doesn't mesh like you expect? Dude has literally only been balling at close to star level for half a season.

Cmon man.

What are the chances our pick is better than Grant in the next 3 years?

Grant plays the most important role in the league... 3/4 wing.

Grant has been balling for awhile. He was awesome in the bubble and has shown he can be a first option on an awful team.

I would be thrilled to get grant for a 1st, he checks boxes and he does it right now, vs hopefully getting someone that might be that good in a couple years.

[Ccwatercraft]

I just wanna point out that yes, we miss Garrett Temple. But what does "damn, we miss Garrett Temple" says about our team?

C'mon guys, it's been fun to not suck that bad, but it's time to pull the plug. Trade Thad at peak value, I'm sure Sato gets you something, trade Markannen for a bag of chips and test the waters on Coby and WCJ.
Yes, LaVine really turned a corner, and that's great. But if we offer him the full max this summer (using our capspace to renegotiate his contract, which we should ABSOLUTELY try) and he says no, he's gotta go.

I thought we could only offer him a decent raise and more years, but not max money with an extension. Not sure when that limitation ends I just assumed it was after next season where he can be paid big bucks.

[Grodoboldo]

I just wanna point out that yes, we miss Garrett Temple. But what does "damn, we miss Garrett Temple" says about our team?

C'mon guys, it's been fun to not suck that bad, but it's time to pull the plug. Trade Thad at peak value, I'm sure Sato gets you something, trade Markannen for a bag of chips and test the waters on Coby and WCJ.
Yes, LaVine really turned a corner, and that's great. But if we offer him the full max this summer (using our capspace to renegotiate his contract, which we should ABSOLUTELY try) and he says no, he's gotta go.

I thought we could only offer him a decent raise and more years, but not max money with an extension. Not sure when that limitation ends I just assumed it was after next season where he can be paid big bucks.

Coldfish made a thread about this, I think it's probably in the first page of the board. But TL;DR is we can offer him a full max if we use our capspace to renegotiate his contract.

[Grodoboldo]

I just wanna point out that yes, we miss Garrett Temple. But what does "damn, we miss Garrett Temple" says about our team?

C'mon guys, it's been fun to not suck that bad, but it's time to pull the plug. Trade Thad at peak value, I'm sure Sato gets you something, trade Markannen for a bag of chips and test the waters on Coby and WCJ.
Yes, LaVine really turned a corner, and that's great. But if we offer him the full max this summer (using our capspace to renegotiate his contract, which we should ABSOLUTELY try) and he says no, he's gotta go.

I thought we could only offer him a decent raise and more years, but not max money with an extension. Not sure when that limitation ends I just assumed it was after next season where he can be paid big bucks.

Coldfish made a thread about this, I think it's probably in the first page of the board. But TL;DR is we can offer him a full max if we use our capspace to renegotiate his contract.

Here's fish's thread:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2062665

[CaPiTanAK]

Sitting pat Paxson Jr will not do anything. We have enough to make the playoff. Be patient and keep buying tickets and going to games.

[sco]

IMO, one of Lauri or Thad need to go to fetch us another viable scorer. I am thinking our best targets are Dipo and Fournier...both are UFA's, so I would want to have a handshake deal in conjunction with trade. Seeing Sato's resurgence under BD, I'm less all-in on Ball, but still would be ok with him.

Beyond scoring, we NEED a starting caliber rim protector. If somehow we could nab either Noel or Bamba, that'd be HUGE for us. If Carter can be part of a deal, I'm fine not keeping him as I just see him as a career back-up and see him wanting out after his contract is up anyway.

Lastly, I was on board with developing Coby, but now I'm convinced he is an undersized SG and I am ambivalent between keeping either him or Valentine (on a cheap deal). But like Carter, I think Coby will want out eventually, so I'd be fine trading him - although he has a longer remaining rookie deal, so I'm fine keeping him.

[d boy gentleman]

Sitting pat Paxson Jr will not do anything. We have enough to make the playoff. Be patient and keep buying tickets and going to games.

And you say this based on what again? The new regime has been on here for less than a year and the deadline hasn't even passed to label Arturas and Marc Paxson Jr at all.