NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

[Dupp]

I think this is now between Giannis and Jokic. Jokic's team success will be his qualifier otherwise it may end up just defaulting to Giannis because of all of the injuries.

Giannis ain’t winning 3x in row

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

[skones]

Giannis ain’t winning 3x in row

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

It's a shame Chris Paul's numbers don't jump off the page more. If they did, he'd get consideration with a "career achievement" narrative type MVP campaign in Phoenix.

[Cavsfansince84]

I'm ok with LeBron being out of the race for the simple fact I don't think he would have really deserved it this year without a really hot finish. I'd to see Jokic win it. He deserves the recognition.

[Inspektor1312]

Giannis ain’t winning 3x in row

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

lol as soon as Lebron is out, it's the "worst MVP race"
I'd say it's stacked. Two of the top ~5 candidates got injured and we still have a bunch of deserving players in Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Lillard...

[Ballerhogger]

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

It's a shame Chris Paul's numbers don't jump off the page more. If they did, he'd get consideration with a "career achievement" narrative type MVP campaign in Phoenix.

Yea .. I’m 75% sure it’s coming down to lillard and Jokic

[Ballerhogger]

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

lol as soon as Lebron is out, it's the "worst MVP race"
I'd say it's stacked. Two of the top ~5 candidates got injured and we still have a bunch of deserving players in Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Lillard...

How? No Embiid either just not Lebron

[Dupp]

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

lol as soon as Lebron is out, it's the "worst MVP race"
I'd say it's stacked. Two of the top ~5 candidates got injured and we still have a bunch of deserving players in Jokic, Giannis, Harden, Lillard...

Ive said its the worst mvp race most of the season. Lebron wasnt even in the lead for me so that changes nothing.


Its a good mvp in terms of lots of viable candidates but the quality is poor going by past criteria. Look at giannis and harden the last few years. Highest quality play and numbers, top seeds, carried teams / dont miss games.


This year

Lillard - bad seed / record for an mvp
Joker - Same. High level mvp season based on play though
lebron - in between for both. better record but playing worse than those two
embiid - good record - mvp level play - missed way too many games
harden - didnt try at the start of season- forced trade. everything after that has been normal mvp worthy
giannis - probably ticks all the boxes but has playoff loser/ voter fatigue narrative against him. Weak year might mean he gets it even though voters probably want to go another route.
kawhi - misses way too many games and played worse than evey guy listed so far

i might of missed someone but whatever, you get the point.

[Ballerhogger]

If the blazers or nuggets can’t get into top 4 seed harden had Giannis have window .

[Coach Carter]

Joker has the best story, once the fat kid, overlooked in the draft. He'll also be the 1st to win with a dad bod. Truly inspirational.

[Prez]

Giannis ain’t winning 3x in row

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

Is it though? Jokic is having an incredible season, Giannis is playing the best basketball of his life, Dame is playing amazing ball and willing Portland to wins, LeBron only just now got hurt and was playing great as he usually does, and Harden has been phenomenal for Brooklyn. Embiid was having a career year before getting hurt. Luka and Steph have been amazing and aren't even in the discussion.

IMO the MVP pool is really good. I guess if you're referring more to the injury situation with Bron/Embiid/KD getting hurt then sure.

[greekbuck34]

If the blazers or nuggets can’t get into top 4 seed harden had Giannis have window .

The MVP has to get the top seed or second at the worst. There is no chance for someone below that.
Jokic did it in the past but he didn't have the stats then. He has to do it again especially with Lebron and AD missing out a lot of games.

[DCasey91]

If the blazers or nuggets can’t get into top 4 seed harden had Giannis have window .

The MVP has to get the top seed or second at the worst. There is no chance for someone below that.
Jokic did it in the past but he didn't have the stats then. He has to do it again especially with Lebron and AD missing out a lot of games.

Westbrook? Lol.

Harden has a bad narrrative (but still top 3 in my eyes) and Giannis isn’t what you would say the most skillful basketball player I’ve seen.

Jokic has been the most consistent/most durable and having a historic offensive season, losing his 2nd best player in Grant, losing depth, Millsap is ancient.

Important players missing chunks of games and his second in command Murray has a knack of being wildly inconsistent out of nowhere (5 games under 10 and a 50 piece is some variance imo).

Subjective but I always had Jokic has the clear favorite this whole time. MVP award players rarely miss a lot of games especially this modern era.

1. Jokic clear front runner in my eyes since the beginning
2. Harden
3. Giannis

After that Lillard might be the darkhorse but I doubt that after last years incredible rs performance. Luka/Curry is too far away imo.

Embiid & Lebron both out of it due to injury.

Top 4 seed should be favorite, Top 3 seed is a lock for me.

[art_tatum]

Knowing what we know now- if lillard or jokics team can get to 4seed or higher they should be front runners.
Embiid too if he can come back sooner.
Then there's always giannis- monster stats, great team record. Just voter fatigue.

[Roy The Natural]

Joker has the best story, once the fat kid, overlooked in the draft. He'll also be the 1st to win with a dad bod. Truly inspirational.

Nah.. Lillard's story is better. 2 star recruit. Never made the tourney. Willing his team to wins despite auxiliary predictors telling them they should be much worse. The Nuggets record is exactly where it should be when looking at auxiliary predictors of record. The Blazers should be about .500 or lower. However Lillard is such an absolute monster in the clutch that they are tied with the Nuggets.

[Packbuckman]

Giannis ain’t winning 3x in row

In case you haven't noticed, the field is pretty slim at this point.

I thought Giannis had no chance this season but like you said, the field is pretty slim. Probably the worst (quality) mvp race since 2011.

Giannis is having another great season and if he didn’t have a slow start he would be leading. But to me and all bucks fans it’s Giannis free throw shooting which has all of us excited now I feel he’s going to make them before this season I didn’t feel that way. And it’s not slim just that Giannis and Jokic are way ahead of everyone if you factor in defense no one is having a better season than Giannis. If this is the Player Giannis is going to be going forward making over 80% from the free throws all bucks fans are smiling

[OverAndOut]

Giannis is about to three-peat.

[mediocrityrules]

Giannis In the 5 games since the all-star break: -

29.2/11.8/10.2 (including 3 triple doubles). 7/17 from 3 (41.1%), and 31/36 from the FT line (86.1%)

[scrabbarista]

The complete list of players in the top ten of all time in single-season PER, WS/48, and BPM:

'91 Michael Jordan = arguably the GoAT peak; MVP
'09 LeBron James = arguably the GoAT peak; MVP
'13 LeBron James = arguably the GoAT peak; one vote shy of unanimous MVP
'16 Stephen Curry = arguably GoAT regular season peak; only unanimous MVP
'21 Nikola Jokic = ?

Anyone not voting for Jokic at this point either doesn't understand how good he's been, or is just voting based on feelings.

He shouldn't have to finish in the top ten in history in all three to be a lock: the other 61 MVP's in league history didn't.

Reminder, again, that all three stats are per-minute/possession... and he's second in the league in minutes.

[Stribor]

Now that LBJ is out for 6-8 weeks, and with Embiid out. It has to be Jokic. Harden had a poor time before Nets, and I do take it against him, and Giannis got it 2 times + with great numbers he has, Jokic ones are still better.

[Ritzo]

Giannis and the Bucks picked up their momentum.
Jokic has been the most consistent this season.
Lillard is the best crunch time performer.
Harden carrying Durantless Nets and the hottest team lately.

It will be a close race. Embiid and LeBron are down, I don't see the clear favorite here.