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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1881 » by Reddeye » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:50 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
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MoMM wrote:And do not forget that we have to re-sign Jaire and Adams next offseason, 2 top5 players in their positions.



If they really wanted to go all in this year you redo adams n rogers contract which would open up 14 million plus dollars ....fact is they are not going all in unlike TB did who by the way was as bad as the packers were in cap space yet somehow seemed to bring back all 3 of their studs
And GB resigned 3 of their studs as well. Or do those resignings not count for some reason?

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Also Barrett and David signed team friendly deals unlike Bakhtiari and Clark.

Again Tampa was in better shape with the cap before free agency.
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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1882 » by CWoodfan » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:11 pm

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LittleRooster wrote:Lol. I guess resigning Bak and Jones don’t count


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And Clark too apparently.

Resigning one of if not the best LT in football, the best RB on the market and one of the best nosetackles in the league apparently is just not doing enough.

(oh sorry I forgot since they were proactive with Bahk and Clark those two signings don't mean nothin)

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And since they lost Linsley, Lancaster, Adams, and King, they are worse than they were a year ago. I thought the idea was to get better


Lancaster, Adams and King did not play well in 2020 (and Lancaster and Adams never played very well ever) but they did eat up a lot of snaps and there is no one along the defensive line or at CB who even the most optimistic fan can point to with confidence to replace them.

Losing Linsley is a blow both because he was an All-Pro and it forces a shuffle and depletes the depth along the offensive line.

Blocking tight end Marcedes Lewis is also not on the roster at this point. His absence would negatively impact the running game because no other TE blocks like him.

Losing Jamal Williams at the very least depletes the depth at RB.

They've also lost Kirksey and Wagner who, while not great, were also not awful in 2020. Inside linebacker looks to be as talentless as ever in Green Bay.

So the Packers are missing quite a few players who played a lot of snaps in 2020 and have added no one to the roster thus far.

Guess it is time to start selling hope through the draft.

But, but, but, remember the words of all the loyal Packer management backers who insisted that there was no way any 1st or 4th round 2020 picks (the picks that were used on Love) would have helped the Pack get to the SB in 2020 anyway ... when these same folks try to argue that all the roster holes will be filled by rookies next season.
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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1883 » by RRyder823 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:12 pm

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If they really wanted to go all in this year you redo adams n rogers contract which would open up 14 million plus dollars ....fact is they are not going all in unlike TB did who by the way was as bad as the packers were in cap space yet somehow seemed to bring back all 3 of their studs
And GB resigned 3 of their studs as well. Or do those resignings not count for some reason?

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Get over it. Of course they count. They also count for the 31 other teams that are re-signing their own good players. But if that's all you do, you're not getting better, therefore you are getting worse
Get over it? Take your own advice

Bitch that GB wasn't doing enough because TB was able to resign 3 of their studs. I pointed out that GB did also. Get over it

Bitch that TB was able to do so despite being in similar cap shape to GB. Others have pointed out that's objectively untrue. Get over it





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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1884 » by Daver » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:14 pm

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Daver wrote:The inactivity of these packers drives me to drink alot is disgust.I dont want to hear about the cap either.TB was over the cap yet resigned david barrett and franchised tagged their WR.Vikings same way packers will never go all in like TB couldnt afford 9 million for fuller for 1 year is gute another TT 2.0


You keep posting this over and over and it is not true. Tampa had much more room under the cap than the Packers did. Vikings also were in better shape than the Packers.

This tweet is from March 4th.

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Then i will admit im wrong i read a article that showed TB as being 9 million over and the viqueens being 6 million over me bad
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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1885 » by RRyder823 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:17 pm

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sdn40 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:And Clark too apparently.

Resigning one of if not the best LT in football, the best RB on the market and one of the best nosetackles in the league apparently is just not doing enough.

(oh sorry I forgot since they were proactive with Bahk and Clark those two signings don't mean nothin)

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And since they lost Linsley, Lancaster, Adams, and King, they are worse than they were a year ago. I thought the idea was to get better


Lancaster, Adams and King did not play well in 2020 (and Lancaster and Adams never played very well ever) but they did eat up a lot of snaps and there is no one along the defensive line or at CB who even the most optimistic fan can point to with confidence to replace them.

Losing Linsley is a blow both because he was an All-Pro and it forces a shuffle and depletes the depth along the offensive line.

Blocking tight end Marcedes Lewis is also not on the roster at this point. His absence would negatively impact the running game because no other TE blocks like him.

Losing Jamal Williams at the very least depletes the depth at RB.

They've also lost Kirksey and Wagner who, while not great, were also not awful in 2020. Inside linebacker looks to be as talentless as ever in Green Bay.

So the Packers are missing quite a few players who played a lot of snaps in 2020 and have added no one to the roster thus far.

Guess it is time to start selling hope through the draft.

But, but, but, remember the words of all the loyal Packer management backers who insisted that there was no way any 1st or 4th round 2020 picks (the picks that were used on Love) would have helped the Pack get to the SB in 2020 anyway ... when these same folks try to argue that all the roster holes will be filled by rookies next season
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Or ya know player development from 2nd and 3rd year guys



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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1886 » by sdn40 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:20 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:And GB resigned 3 of their studs as well. Or do those resignings not count for some reason?

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Get over it. Of course they count. They also count for the 31 other teams that are re-signing their own good players. But if that's all you do, you're not getting better, therefore you are getting worse
Get over it? Take your own advice

Bitch that GB wasn't doing enough because TB was able to resign 3 of their studs. I pointed out that GB did also. Get over it

Bitch that TB was able to do so despite being in similar cap shape to GB. Others have pointed out that's objectively untrue. Get over it

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Should I get over their trophy too ??
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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1887 » by RRyder823 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:57 pm

sdn40 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
Get over it. Of course they count. They also count for the 31 other teams that are re-signing their own good players. But if that's all you do, you're not getting better, therefore you are getting worse
Get over it? Take your own advice

Bitch that GB wasn't doing enough because TB was able to resign 3 of their studs. I pointed out that GB did also. Get over it

Bitch that TB was able to do so despite being in similar cap shape to GB. Others have pointed out that's objectively untrue. Get over it

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Should I get over their trophy too ??
I'm sure you think that was a gotcha moment huh? lol



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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1888 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:03 pm

Daver wrote:
MoMM wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:And Clark too apparently.

Resigning one of if not the best LT in football, the best RB on the market and one of the best nosetackles in the league apparently is just not doing enough.

(oh sorry I forgot since they were proactive with Bahk and Clark those two signings don't mean nothin)

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And do not forget that we have to re-sign Jaire and Adams next offseason, 2 top5 players in their positions.



If they really wanted to go all in this year you redo adams n rogers contract which would open up 14 million plus dollars ....fact is they are not going all in unlike TB did who by the way was as bad as the packers were in cap space yet somehow seemed to bring back all 3 of their studs
It's not that simple. Adams is on the final year of his deal so you can't restructure, he needs a new deal and I'm sure he wants to be one of the highest paid wrs in the league. That might happen but it's definitely a negotiation.

Rodgers is a little different because there are some simple restructures that could help BUT he might be playing hardball and only interested in reworking his deal completely with new money involved. Will be interesting to see how the rodgers things shakes out.

Well see something done with the existing guys because as of now they don't have enough space to sign their upcoming rookie class.

They were always going to lose more than they added this off-season, the cap reality could have shown you that for the past year. Its not some surprising development.

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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1889 » by M-C-G » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:34 pm

If I take our extensions into account, we 'signed' the top LT in the league, we 'signed' arguably a top 3 or DT in the league, we 'signed' the top RB on the market to a team friendly two year deal.

We failed to sign a top 3 C in the league, but should get a 4th round pick the following draft.

And we still have the ability to sign a starting CB or DT which would put us in pretty good shape for the draft. And we did all that in a year with a down cap, frankly if we bring back King or upgrade the position, it is an incredible job from my perspective keeping a team that was within a few plays (and let's be honest, Bakh might have been the difference in that game if he played) of a Super Bowl. We have 10 draft picks in a class loaded at OT and CB and there are a handful of difference makers that could be there in the first at LB.

I'm rather optimistic. Would love to extend Adams to open up enough to room to lock in at least one starter before the draft, that'd be perfect.
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Post#1890 » by M-C-G » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:37 pm

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Daver wrote:
MoMM wrote:And do not forget that we have to re-sign Jaire and Adams next offseason, 2 top5 players in their positions.



If they really wanted to go all in this year you redo adams n rogers contract which would open up 14 million plus dollars ....fact is they are not going all in unlike TB did who by the way was as bad as the packers were in cap space yet somehow seemed to bring back all 3 of their studs
It's not that simple. Adams is on the final year of his deal so you can't restructure, he needs a new deal and I'm sure he wants to be one of the highest paid wrs in the league. That might happen but it's definitely a negotiation.

Rodgers is a little different because there are some simple restructures that could help BUT he might be playing hardball and only interested in reworking his deal completely with new money involved. Will be interesting to see how the rodgers things shakes out.

Well see something done with the existing guys because as of now they don't have enough space to sign their upcoming rookie class.

They were always going to lose more than they added this off-season, the cap reality could have shown you that for the past year. Its not some surprising development.

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With Adams, I think you time a balloon payment to align when Rodgers is gone. I feel pretty strongly Gute knows when that will be and is planning extensions and cap hits according to that plan.
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Post#1891 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:53 am

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Daver wrote:

If they really wanted to go all in this year you redo adams n rogers contract which would open up 14 million plus dollars ....fact is they are not going all in unlike TB did who by the way was as bad as the packers were in cap space yet somehow seemed to bring back all 3 of their studs
It's not that simple. Adams is on the final year of his deal so you can't restructure, he needs a new deal and I'm sure he wants to be one of the highest paid wrs in the league. That might happen but it's definitely a negotiation.

Rodgers is a little different because there are some simple restructures that could help BUT he might be playing hardball and only interested in reworking his deal completely with new money involved. Will be interesting to see how the rodgers things shakes out.

Well see something done with the existing guys because as of now they don't have enough space to sign their upcoming rookie class.

They were always going to lose more than they added this off-season, the cap reality could have shown you that for the past year. Its not some surprising development.

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With Adams, I think you time a balloon payment to align when Rodgers is gone. I feel pretty strongly Gute knows when that will be and is planning extensions and cap hits according to that plan.
Adams deal will likely be structured with a gigantic signing bonus and minimal base salary and then some crazy unrealistic length like 7 years to spread out the cap hit of that big bonus.

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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1892 » by M-C-G » Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:01 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:It's not that simple. Adams is on the final year of his deal so you can't restructure, he needs a new deal and I'm sure he wants to be one of the highest paid wrs in the league. That might happen but it's definitely a negotiation.

Rodgers is a little different because there are some simple restructures that could help BUT he might be playing hardball and only interested in reworking his deal completely with new money involved. Will be interesting to see how the rodgers things shakes out.

Well see something done with the existing guys because as of now they don't have enough space to sign their upcoming rookie class.

They were always going to lose more than they added this off-season, the cap reality could have shown you that for the past year. Its not some surprising development.

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With Adams, I think you time a balloon payment to align when Rodgers is gone. I feel pretty strongly Gute knows when that will be and is planning extensions and cap hits according to that plan.
Adams deal will likely be structured with a gigantic signing bonus and minimal base salary and then some crazy unrealistic length like 7 years to spread out the cap hit of that big bonus.

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Right but my point is to have his big cash year the year after Rodgers Is off the books.


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Post#1893 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:17 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
With Adams, I think you time a balloon payment to align when Rodgers is gone. I feel pretty strongly Gute knows when that will be and is planning extensions and cap hits according to that plan.
Adams deal will likely be structured with a gigantic signing bonus and minimal base salary and then some crazy unrealistic length like 7 years to spread out the cap hit of that big bonus.

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Right but my point is to have his big cash year the year after Rodgers Is off the books.


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Sure they will probably fit some roster bonuses in at the end of the deal. What I was getting at was the brunt of a new Adams deal will have to be a huge upfront signing bonus if they want to get any real cap relief this year. That signing bonus would basically be this year's 12mil base + the new money for future years. If it gets done it's going to be an eye popping number like $40+ mil just for the signing bonus.

Why it's tricky is I'm sure Adams wants top 3 wr money otherwise he'll just play out this last year and hit the market or get tagged but WRs make so damn much these days that a franchise tag is almost QB money.
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Post#1894 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:57 pm

I would like to distance myself from all prior statements about DeShaun Watson being among my favorite non-Packers and non-Badgers :o
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Post#1895 » by M-C-G » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:10 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:I would like to distance myself from all prior statements about DeShaun Watson being among my favorite non-Packers and non-Badgers :o


At this point, the guy has a problem or the female massage union is incredibly tight
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MikeIsGood wrote:I would like to distance myself from all prior statements about DeShaun Watson being among my favorite non-Packers and non-Badgers :o


At this point, the guy has a problem or the female massage union is incredibly tight


I have an ex on Facebook this week sharing memes. Massage therapists are PISSED AF over how the media's treated their professionals in relation to the Atlanta shooting and the Watson thing with regards to the language they use.
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Re: ATL Offseason - Boyle to the Lions 

Post#1897 » by M-C-G » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:38 pm

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MikeIsGood wrote:I would like to distance myself from all prior statements about DeShaun Watson being among my favorite non-Packers and non-Badgers :o


At this point, the guy has a problem or the female massage union is incredibly tight


I have an ex on Facebook this week sharing memes. Massage therapists are PISSED AF over how the media's treated their professionals in relation to the Atlanta shooting and the Watson thing with regards to the language they use.



Wasn't there some shady stuff with the Patriots two years ago in the super bowl with massage parlor as well? No doubt Kraft and boys paid that to go away.
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Post#1898 » by M-C-G » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:51 pm

14 Deshaun? What in the world.
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Post#1899 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:57 pm

M-C-G wrote:14 Deshaun? What in the world.


Two or three is the "where there's smoke there's fire" kinda thing. 14 is where you say this guy should be in prison for a long ass time.
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Post#1900 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:54 pm

I try to avoid commenting on off the field stuff because we just don't know all the details/facts but man this whole Watson deal seems to get worse by the day.

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