Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[Jcool0]

So Sato isnt a legit pg now?

You are setting yourself up to be really disappointed if you think getting Lonzo will look completely different from Sato.

Other than the more dynamic defense and rebounding, the offense and assists will look about the same. We want him because he fits the core age.

Stato is a nice backup PG to have but you don't want him having to be the lead guy.

I think Sato is a fine starting PG, but only if he is your 5th option offensively. He's efficient, but doesn't want to shoot.

He doesn't do enough of what you need from a starting PG on a playoff team.

[Red8911]

Hell no to bringing in Adams - and I LIKE the guy. We don't need to replicate the exact problems he's causing at NO. He clogs he paint, is non-switchable, offers no shooting or scoring.

Ingram is practically running into Adams when he tried to drive to the bucket. It would just make LaVine's job harder.

Adams is on the wrong team. Starting with Zion in the front court is not a good fit for him or the pelicans. For the bulls though he would be a perfect fit next to Lauri, he’s exactly what the bulls need a big center who can defend the paint and do the dirty work. Lauri would benefit a lot from Adams.

Carter doesn’t offer no shooting or scoring, to be honest he hasn’t offered much this season so the bulls are in desperate need of a center. Idk if Adams can be traded now or not but if he could it would be nice to solve 2 problems (Pg/C) in one trade.

[LateNight]

Pretty sure it's been verified that Adams can't be traded because of the extension.

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Adams' extension includes a pay cut of $12 million the first season, and the extension is only for two seasons after the current season, so there's no reason he can't be traded.

Adams can’t be traded this season because he signed the extension after august 6th

Is there a way to pin this to the top of the board so people stop suggesting we trade for him?

[bullslas]

I don't see a Lavine, Lonzo and Lauri team making the finals anytime soon. Is it worth having 70 million in salaries for these 3 guys alone? You can surround them with nice players, but that probably gets us a 4 seed in the East..

[bpguimaraes23]

Sato, WCJ, Otto Porter Jr. (expiring) & a 2nd round pick

For

Lonzo Ball & Stephen Adams


C Adams / Young
F Markkanen / Young
F Temple / Williams
G LaVine / Valentine
G Ball / White

Adams is 27. Signed for 17M per for the next two years. Thought about the exact trade above because of his history with Billy.

That def solves PG and C. Adams clearly doesn’t work with Zion. Clogs up the lane. It clears more money for NOLA.

This makes us a lot better this season but knocks us out of FA. We basically are trusting what we have post trade is enough to make us future contenders.

That's 1 year older than Lavine, right? I'd do that and try to get Barnes from Sacramento using Lauri.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don't see a Lavine, Lonzo and Lauri team making the finals anytime soon. Is it worth having 70 million in salaries for these 3 guys alone? You can surround them with nice players, but that probably gets us a 4 seed in the East..

Who said all three will be here?

[CaPiTanAK]

I don't see a Lavine, Lonzo and Lauri team making the finals anytime soon. Is it worth having 70 million in salaries for these 3 guys alone? You can surround them with nice players, but that probably gets us a 4 seed in the East..

Who said all three will be here?

4th seed is a step in the right direction meaning that all of them are assets. Right now, we have two #7 busts on the bench with our vets leaving for nothing after next season. We need to maintain assets on our vets, dump the busts, and keep chugging along with good FA signs, good drafts, and micromanage with trades to cont to add assets and value to the team.

Standing pat and praying for busts to turn around is a losing proposition.

[dougthonus]

I have to wonder if Lonzo would sign for 2 or 3 million less per year to be the starting PG in a major market?

Almost certainly no.

1: He's restricted, so he can count on the Bulls matching his high offer anyway and then getting both more money and the destination he wants.

2: Young guys that haven't had a big contract yet do not generally take discounts of 8-12M dollars.

[CaPiTanAK]

I don’t know 2-3 mil less than an arbitrary number means. But if we have his restricted right and offer 25 mil a year, he would probably sign it and avoid FA altogether.

[dougthonus]

You bring in Ball and give him $20m. Extend Lauri at $20m. Give Lavine $35m.

That's a team that is pretty tapped out financially and is pretty much exactly what you have right now. Just turrible GM'ing.

This just gets back to, when you are bad, how do you become not bad? The draft is the only area where you are likely to get talent on not bad contracts. You can just use FA and hope to sign more Garrett Temples I suppose, but your odds of upgrading talent via trade / FA are generally low if you aren't getting superstars.

Trading for Lonzo is probably a talent improvement for the team, but I agree, much like with Lauri, the problem is what someone is going to pay them in the off-season.

[TheSuzerain]

You bring in Ball and give him $20m. Extend Lauri at $20m. Give Lavine $35m.

That's a team that is pretty tapped out financially and is pretty much exactly what you have right now. Just turrible GM'ing.

It's kind of frightening just how quickly this project can go up in flames.

I'm concerned.

[TheSuzerain]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

[Grodoboldo]

I like Adams. But isn't Turner better, even if we have to add more to get him?

Would WCJ + lottery protected first do it? Would adding Lauri to that package do anything for Indy?

[Jcool0]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

Yes. i would assume a lot of things.

[LateNight]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

There are two different camps on this, though.

Camp A: Wants to bring in Lonzo and have Lauri - believes Lonzo will help Lauri.

Camp B: Wants to bring in Lonzo, then trade Lauri.

While I agree that it's probably a bad idea to pay both those guys (Camp A), I think Lonzo seems like he may actually be a good complementary piece with Zach (Camp B).

[WindyCityBorn]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

I can’t us signing both. One or possibly neither.

[WindyCityBorn]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

There are two different camps on this, though.

Camp A: Wants to bring in Lonzo and have Lauri - believes Lonzo will help Lauri.

Camp B: Wants to bring in Lonzo, then trade Lauri.

While I agree that it's probably a bad idea to pay both those guys (Camp A), I think Lonzo seems like he may actually be a good complementary piece with Zach (Camp B).

Camp B.

[jnrjr79]

I don't see a Lavine, Lonzo and Lauri team making the finals anytime soon. Is it worth having 70 million in salaries for these 3 guys alone? You can surround them with nice players, but that probably gets us a 4 seed in the East..

That's about where the sights should be set right now. The Bulls are not one move away from having a championship roster, unless they lock into a generational talent in the draft.

IMO, the Bulls should be trying to replicate the "Toronto model," where they build a good team with good players - a mix of vets and young guys - and are ready to be aggressive when a superstar wants to make a move. You need to have good players under contract in order to make those sorts of things happen. It seems like people fail to realize that having guys under contract, so that you have a number of pieces to move, is often more flexible than letting people walk.

[jnrjr79]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

Yes, presumably not trading for Ball, letting Lauri walk for nothing, and just drafting some dude would be less effective.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

People talk about Lavine leaving, but is there anything that would push him out the door faster than signing Lauri/Ball to big contracts, and the team still being mediocre without an inkling of hope for that to change?

There are two different camps on this, though.

Camp A: Wants to bring in Lonzo and have Lauri - believes Lonzo will help Lauri.

Camp B: Wants to bring in Lonzo, then trade Lauri.

While I agree that it's probably a bad idea to pay both those guys (Camp A), I think Lonzo seems like he may actually be a good complementary piece with Zach (Camp B).

Camp B.

Team Werewolf (Camp A)