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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1441 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:05 pm

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This is logical to me, but this is going to upset some/be heavily disputed.


Let me throw the first stone.

Back in the day, there was a young blogger that followed a team I happen to follow. He reported everything he heard as a legit rumor. Sometimes it made no sense capwise. Sometimes it defied logic for one or both teams. But if he heard it somewhere, anywhere, it became a legit rumor to him. The result was a lot of twitter followers for all the breaking scoops that never happened (good business model).

Around the same time, BR would allow anything on its site, often taking partial stories from elsewhere and regurgitating them in a manner that would alter the meaning.

Being able to dig further and figure out if this is Bob Bobberson (made up name alert) fully speculating, or a Shams type reporting on what a team is really willing to offer is so key.

I haven't seen a good source on Bogdan being made available, although he would make sense n Shams report of Cam Reddish + for Smart type deal.

I have seen KOC speculate that Boston wants Collins and Bogdan. I find KOC to be very much of a scatter shooter with his rumors, and unless they are repeated elsewhere, I give them low credibility.

I have definitely seen Reddish though in other places, and would fully believe that he is on the table and available in trade, so I don't mean to doubt the whole report, just would love more concrete sourcing I can look into. And this is after trying to chase down what BR's reporting consisted of.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1442 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:10 pm

Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1443 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:21 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.


I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1444 » by Buzzard » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:59 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:
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This is logical to me, but this is going to upset some/be heavily disputed.


I dont we be upset but why now? This team is winning, we got money to resigned Collins and Reddish is super talent, so why give it up for a player that might leave (it feels like Nique situation again)

BR is pretty much garbage. The last week of free agency they are even worse. NY Post type bad if you can imagine that. Shams is saying the Warriors are interested in Bogdan; but not the Hawks are interested in moving him. Shams is saying Atlanta is interested in Smart and Ball. Shams has said Reddish is available. He has also said a month ago Collins was available for a pretty high price.

I stick with Woj and Sham. I pretty much ignore BR unless one of them confirms it.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1445 » by Buzzard » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:03 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.


I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

Atlanta is not giving up all that for Smart. But I will admit it looks like something Ainge would offer. Then two weeks from now say he got really close to getting Bogdan, Reddish, and/or Okongwu.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1446 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:05 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.


I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

Atlanta is not giving up all that for Smart. But I will admit it looks like something Ainge would offer. Then two weeks from now say he got really close to getting Bogdan, Reddish, and/or Okongwu.


But you get multiple 1sts...
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Post#1447 » by Buzzard » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:09 pm

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I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

Atlanta is not giving up all that for Smart. But I will admit it looks like something Ainge would offer. Then two weeks from now say he got really close to getting Bogdan, Reddish, and/or Okongwu.


But you get multiple 1sts...

From who is important? Okongwu was the 6th pick in the draft. His upside alone is worth Smart in my opinion.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1448 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:11 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.


I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

I think you have it the other way around. Celtics don't trade for Bogdan unless they are getting Collins. Taking on Bogdan's contract is a starting condition from the Hawks to listen to the Celtics offer for Collins.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1449 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:12 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Texas Chuck wrote:Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.


I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

I think you have it the other way around. Celtics don't trade for Bogdan unless they are getting Collins. Taking on Bogdan's contract is a starting condition from the Hawks to listen to the Celtics offer for Collins.


but you too are getting multiple 1sts?!?!?
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1450 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:15 pm

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I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

I think you have it the other way around. Celtics don't trade for Bogdan unless they are getting Collins. Taking on Bogdan's contract is a starting condition from the Hawks to listen to the Celtics offer for Collins.


but you too are getting multiple 1sts?!?!?

Who said anything about the Celtics getting multiple firsts? All I am saying is the Hawks telling the Celtics that they have to take back BB in any John Collins trade proposal or go away. Celtics still have to pony up an offer.
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Post#1451 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:15 pm

I have BB as a negative value. I wouldnt want to trade Smart for him.

Sacramento turned down BB on his contract for free this summer. Yes, it’s the Kings, but BB’s season this year hasnt done anything to change things IMO.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1452 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:16 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I think you have it the other way around. Celtics don't trade for Bogdan unless they are getting Collins. Taking on Bogdan's contract is a starting condition from the Hawks to listen to the Celtics offer for Collins.


but you too are getting multiple 1sts?!?!?

Who said anything about the Celtics getting multiple firsts? All I am saying is the Hawks telling the Celtics that they have to take back BB in any John Collins trade proposal or go away. Celtics still have to pony up an offer.


It's literally in the deal you quoted mate. Go back and read it.
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Post#1453 » by loserX » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:18 pm

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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1454 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:19 pm

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Buzzard wrote:Atlanta is not giving up all that for Smart. But I will admit it looks like something Ainge would offer. Then two weeks from now say he got really close to getting Bogdan, Reddish, and/or Okongwu.


But you get multiple 1sts...

From who is important? Okongwu was the 6th pick in the draft. His upside alone is worth Smart in my opinion.


I have Smart worth more, but can understand both perspectives and wouldn't be surprised if the forum found it either way. I have Smart worth more to Atlanta definitely, as a much more unique fit.

So, if I were Atlanta, I would do Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT and not worry about losing the backup bigman upside when my starting lineup looks absolutely perfect as:
Trae
Smart
Hunter
Collins
Capela

I have Reddish expendable, so if Boston would do:
Bogdan/Okongku/Reddish for Smart/TT/1st I would take it as Atlanta and be gleeful.


In general terms of the players mentioned, I would rank them something like:
Smart > = Okongku >> Boston 1st ?=? Atlanta 1st >> Bogdan >> Reddish >> TT

Smart/TT for Atlanta 1st/Bogdan/Reddish maybe but I'm not sold Boston gets a piece back worth doing it for, but I can see that style formulation if keeping Okongku is a priority.

Since Atlanta (fans?) value Reddish more than I expect Boston to, could go for a 2 1sts for Smart package and Atlanta keeps all its youth? I don't think 2 mid 1sts or a mid and maybe even a late 1st if Atlanta keeps improving is out of the question for Smart's value at all, although I understand trading firsts gets people upset just like trading youth.

But you cannot be a buyer without selling something, and as you have said, all reports are Atlanta is considering being a buyer.
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Re: Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0 

Post#1455 » by Buzzard » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:19 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Oh I'm not vouching for the tweet. But we've discussed on this board for a minute about SG being a weak position. Some of us, okay maybe just me, think clearing some money to match Collins if you aren't going to trade him, is logical and Bogdan might be the first place to start, and I'm not a Reddish believer to trying to cash out some value while he might still have some makes sense.

That doesn't mean they are trading them or shopping them. Just that its logical. To me.


I still have Smart as perhaps the best fit in the league next to Trae, all things considered. (No one tell me Harden etc is better, please).
If Atlanta could do a deal that brought Smart in without destroying what is working....

Okay, here goes:

Bogdan/Okongku for Smart/TT type basis {obviously both teams get 2-3 1sts}
Bogdan/Reddish/1st for Smart/TT {again, add multiple 1sts to each}
Bogdan/Reddish/Okongku for Smart/TT/1st {more 1sts for everyone as well}

I think you have it the other way around. Celtics don't trade for Bogdan unless they are getting Collins. Taking on Bogdan's contract is a starting condition from the Hawks to listen to the Celtics offer for Collins.

Despite the obvious drop off with losing Hayward, I am sure the " Smart is to important narrative" is not far away. Ainge probably won't make any big deals. That is his deadline MO. And Smarts importance will be on full display without Hayward or Horfords' efficiency holding him up by his jockstrap.

I hope this is a leverage leak because I do prefer Balls overall game a lot more than Smarts.
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Post#1456 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:20 pm

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Post#1457 » by Buzzard » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:22 pm

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Vuc I get the 2 1st value. Gordon seems like one good 1st value. Ross and Fournier a late 1st at best.
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Post#1458 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:22 pm

Buzzard wrote:And Smarts importance will be on full display without Hayward or Horfords' efficiency holding him up by his jockstrap.


Smart looked great defensively without Horford. And Hayward is not someone who boosts someone's defensive rep.

Are you just trying to use inflammatory rhetoric? I really don't get the point of comments like this.
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Post#1459 » by BullyKing » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:23 pm

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Like is Orlando new to the Association? The overlap between teams with "good" 1sts and those looking to trade for veterans at the deadline is not exactly a big list.
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