2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

MotownMadness · Post #681 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:00 am

Cade always plays better in the 2nd half of games but yeah he's not some electric player so you really have to watch his games in their entirety to see what he's capable of.

I missed the game today so I won't comment there but I've seen him enough this year to be sold on him as #1. Mobley is the only other one close for me.

The Moose · Post #682 » by **The Moose** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:24 am

Mobley is still number 1 for me.
Cade, Suggs and Green are a bit below
and then Kuminga

NYPiston · Post #683 » by **NYPiston** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:18 pm

buzzkilloton wrote:
I'm hoping to see a better turn out in the second half. It does make you wonder about him if he cant take over vs a team like this in the tourney if hes a slam dunk kinda 1 pick. His supporting cast is bad but hes playing a cupcake here. Imagine Luka, LBJ, Wade, Durant, or Melo in college vs this kind of team they would dominate.

You guys are being way too reactionary to a very small sample size. I guarantee that scouts put virtually no stock into NCAA tournament games to make their evaluation. It's all about skillset and projecting that to a pro league.
Hell, if we're to take his G league stint into account, Kuminga wouldn't even be a 1st rounder. It's all about projection.

Cunningham has everything you'd want in a modern NBA player with his size, versatility, ball handling, playmaking and ability to score from everywhere on the court, he also has that step back jumper that's so vital in todays' game. The college game is chaotic, there's very few pro plays run and it's filled with players who aren't going to be pros. Cunningham is exactly the type of player that will play better in a pro setting surrounded by more talent and more spacing that best utilizes his ability.

I get why somebody could be "underwhelmed" watching him (and I was at first as well) because he's not uber athletic and doesn't blow by guys on the regular but trust me, his game is tailor made for the pros.
He has some things to work on with his handle being a little sloppy at times and his defensive effort can be inconsistent but he's as sure a bet to be a really good NBA starter as there is. The question is, will he be a borderline All Star (which is his floor IMO) or an all NBA player?

MotownMadness · Post #684 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:31 pm

I think Cade has #1 locked up but Mobley can still make up some ground in the tournament if he plays well and his team advances tonight

DNice68 · Post #685 » by **DNice68** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm

bjones521 wrote:Im sorry but Cade gives me Evan Turner vibes. Im just not sold on him. If the pistons dont get the #1 pick I wouldn't be mad.I never thought Cade would be a star honestly but I hope im wrong.

Mobley is the best player in this draft, and Green may not be better than Cade now, but he has more upside!

DBC10 · Post #686 » by **DBC10** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:24 pm

I think the general consensus among GMs are that Cade is on a tier alone and then it's a mix of guys shuffled in after that are below

According to Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo at least

Manocad · Post #687 » by **Manocad** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:32 pm

NYPiston wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:
I'm hoping to see a better turn out in the second half. It does make you wonder about him if he cant take over vs a team like this in the tourney if hes a slam dunk kinda 1 pick. His supporting cast is bad but hes playing a cupcake here. Imagine Luka, LBJ, Wade, Durant, or Melo in college vs this kind of team they would dominate.

You guys are being way too reactionary to a very small sample size. I guarantee that scouts put virtually no stock into NCAA tournament games to make their evaluation. It's all about skillset and projecting that to a pro league.
Hell, if we're to take his G league stint into account, Kuminga wouldn't even be a 1st rounder. It's all about projection.

Cunningham has everything you'd want in a modern NBA player with his size, versatility, ball handling, playmaking and ability to score from everywhere on the court, he also has that step back jumper that's so vital in todays' game. The college game is chaotic, there's very few pro plays run and it's filled with players who aren't going to be pros. Cunningham is exactly the type of player that will play better in a pro setting surrounded by more talent and more spacing that best utilizes his ability.

I get why somebody could be "underwhelmed" watching him (and I was at first as well) because he's not uber athletic and doesn't blow by guys on the regular but trust me, his game is tailor made for the pros.
He has some things to work on with his handle being a little sloppy at times and his defensive effort can be inconsistent but he's as sure a bet to be a really good NBA starter as there is. The question is, will he be a borderline All Star (which is his floor IMO) or an all NBA player?

I think some people have a mindset that if a #1 pick doesn't turn out to be an All Star then the team who picked that player screwed up, because likely there was another player picked lower who went on to become an All Star.

Nobody knows whether or not a college player IS going to be an All Star. You make the best guess and as you stated, most of that is predicated on how well the young player's game translates to the NBA.

17 players in the HOF were #1 draft picks with Lebron eventually being #18. That means 56 didn't become HOFers. In fact, 20 of them never made an All Star game.

Which is exactly why Cunningham is my pick if I'm at #1. There are things he doesn't do as well as others but there is absolutely nothing in his game or demeanor you'd call a weakness or a liability. And THAT's what translates well to the NBA.

MotownMadness · Post #688 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:54 pm

Suggs with 9pts and 3stls at the half. I love that Suggs plays two way ball. Kid is just a winner and should have a good impact towards winning ball.

MotownMadness · Post #689 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:50 pm

Gonzaga still undefeated, wish we could have a Michigan vs Gonzaga finals.

Gonzaga, Baylor and Michigan are the best teams

NYPiston · Post #690 » by **NYPiston** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:53 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Suggs with 9pts and 3stls at the half. I live that Suggs plays two way ball. Kid is just a winner and should have a good impact towards winning ball.

He tried too much at times and got stuffed at the rim a few times but, as you said, he's a winner. He's always in attack mode and plays with no fear. Mobley and USC against Kansas will be interesting later on. One more step towards a Suggs vs. Mobley Regional Final which would be a lot of fun for us Pistons fans. I think your Wolverines might be in tough today without the firepower of Livers as LSU is a big time scoring team. Cam Thomas is another one to watch for the Pistons, if Weaver trades up into the 1st round.

The tournament as a whole has been a blast to watch thus far. Big time players, big time upsets, lots of close games (today notwithstanding).

MotownMadness · Post #691 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:54 pm

NYPiston wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:Suggs with 9pts and 3stls at the half. I live that Suggs plays two way ball. Kid is just a winner and should have a good impact towards winning ball.

He tried too much at times and got stuffed at the rim a few times but, as you said, he's a winner. He's always in attack mode and plays with no fear. Mobley and USC against Kansas will be interesting later on. One more step towards a Suggs vs. Mobley Regional Final which would be a lot of fun for us Pistons fans. The tournament as a whole has been a blast to watch thus far. Big time players, big time upsets, lots of close games (today notwithstanding).

I got home with about 5 mins left right as he did that cool lay up.

NYPiston · Post #692 » by **NYPiston** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:57 pm

MotownMadness wrote: I got home with about 5 mins left right as he did that cool lay up.

It was a sweet move.

I took off today, as I usually do for March Madness, so I saw most of the game. Weird seeing 2nd round games on Monday but everything is weird in the last two years.

Piston Pete · Post #693 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:07 am

One guy that I don’t think has been mentioned in here at all - SG Cam Thomas (LSU)

6’4” 210 lb Freshman who averaged over 23 point per game on the season.

He’s currently lighting up Michigan and already has 19 points at the half.

Should he be getting consideration for that 5-10 range?

DetroitSho · Post #694 » by **DetroitSho** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:10 am

Piston Pete wrote:One guy that I don’t think has been mentioned in here at all - SG Cam Thomas (LSU)

6’4” 210 lb Freshman who averaged over 23 point per game on the season.

He’s currently lighting up Michigan and already has 19 points at the half.

Should he be getting consideration for that 5-10 range?

Recency bias at it's finest. Before an hour ago did you have this thought?

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Piston Pete · Post #695 » by **Piston Pete** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:12 am

So a freshman scoring 23+ points per game (#4 scorer in the nation) is not worthy of discussion?

K....

mattao313 · Post #696 » by **mattao313** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:20 am

DetroitSho wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:One guy that I don’t think has been mentioned in here at all - SG Cam Thomas (LSU)

6’4” 210 lb Freshman who averaged over 23 point per game on the season.

He’s currently lighting up Michigan and already has 19 points at the half.

Should he be getting consideration for that 5-10 range?
Recency bias at it's finest. Before an hour ago did you have this thought?

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Why does it matter? he's just asking a simple question.

DetroitSho · Post #697 » by **DetroitSho** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:42 am

Piston Pete wrote:So a freshman scoring 23+ points per game (#4 scorer in the nation) is not worthy of discussion?

K....

I stand corrected, I thought you initially said for the top 5. Although at best you mean 6-10 as the top 5 is pretty cemented.

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MotownMadness · Post #698 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:44 am

Piston Pete wrote:One guy that I don’t think has been mentioned in here at all - SG Cam Thomas (LSU)

6’4” 210 lb Freshman who averaged over 23 point per game on the season.

He’s currently lighting up Michigan and already has 19 points at the half.

Should he be getting consideration for that 5-10 range?

He's lighting us up

ByeByeDre · Post #699 » by **ByeByeDre** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:47 am

Lol... weak backhand.

Anyways, I do think Michigan will pull this one out. Maryland can’t be the last Big Ten team left, no?

MotownMadness · Post #700 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:52 am

Michigan needs to lock up Juan Howard