#1 Pick

Stillwater · Post #41 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:36 am

Cade is arguably no longer a lock for the top 3 imo after his poor showing in the big Dance. and that is what it was a poor showing. For a player touted to take the league by storm the least he could have done was win a game just one game by himself and he could not

clyde21 · Post #42 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:45 am

this is irrelevant to whether Cade will go #1 or not, Fultz and Simmons didn't even make into the tourney and still went #1 one, Ayton went 1 and done in the tourney and still went #1

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

Stillwater wrote:Cade is arguably no longer a lock for the top 3 imo after his poor showing in the big Dance. and that is what it was a poor showing. For a player touted to take the league by storm the least he could have done was win a game just one game by himself and he could not

KD didn't win an NCAA tournament game. I don't think we looks at that as an indictmemt of him.

The Box Office · Post #44 » by **The Box Office** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:14 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Cade is arguably no longer a lock for the top 3 imo after his poor showing in the big Dance. and that is what it was a poor showing. For a player touted to take the league by storm the least he could have done was win a game just one game by himself and he could not

KD didn't win an NCAA tournament game. I don't think we looks at that as an indictmemt of him.

Yes, KD did win an NCAA tourney game. Texas beat New Mexico State. KD played ok in 2 March Madness games. Cade didn't perform well in both of his outings (to me anyway). Cade's only saving grace was his 5 steals against Oregon State Beavers tonight.

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

The Box Office wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Cade is arguably no longer a lock for the top 3 imo after his poor showing in the big Dance. and that is what it was a poor showing. For a player touted to take the league by storm the least he could have done was win a game just one game by himself and he could not

KD didn't win an NCAA tournament game. I don't think we looks at that as an indictmemt of him.

Yes, KD did win an NCAA tourney game. Texas beat New Mexico State. KD played ok in 2 March Madness games. Cade didn't perform well in both of his outings (to me anyway). Cade's only saving grace was his 5 steals against Oregon State Beavers tonight.

I stand corrected.

EDIT: OKST had literally 9FGM that weren't made by the persumptive #1 pick (6FGM) or assited from the persumptive #1 pick (3assists).

So Cade had 33% of FGM for OKst (and 8-10 at the free throw line), and 25% of all non-Cunningham FGM in this game.

OKst also starterd the season unranked and ended it as a 4 seed. As far as OKst is concerned this was a successful year. Cade was the favorite for the #1 pick comming into this season Wentz to OKst and they were still not presseason top 25, that days something about what Cade had tonwork with on that team.

The Box Office · Post #46 » by **The Box Office** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:11 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
The Box Office wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
KD didn't win an NCAA tournament game. I don't think we looks at that as an indictmemt of him.

Yes, KD did win an NCAA tourney game. Texas beat New Mexico State. KD played ok in 2 March Madness games. Cade didn't perform well in both of his outings (to me anyway). Cade's only saving grace was his 5 steals against Oregon State Beavers tonight.

I stand corrected.

EDIT: OKST had literally 9FGM that weren't made by the persumptive #1 pick (6FGM) or assited from the persumptive #1 pick (3assists).

So Cade had 33% of FGM for OKst (and 8-10 at the free throw line), and 25% of all non-Cunningham FGM in this game.

OKst also starterd the season unranked and ended it as a 4 seed. As far as OKst is concerned this was a successful year. Cade was the favorite for the #1 pick comming into this season Wentz to OKst and they were still not presseason top 25, that days something about what Cade had tonwork with on that team.

Are you ok? You sound incoherent. Cade Cunningham is not number one on my big board. He's currently number 3. I have Jalen Suggs as number 2. Jalen Green is number one.

You guys can crown Cade as number one all you want. I'm not. He didn't wow me with his 2 March Madness games. He's still a great player and should be a great NBA defensive player (guarding small forwards and some SGs). I love that. But he's probably not a guy I would want to depend on when I need clutch plays or a guy who can take over big games or someone who can guard PGs. Right now, Cade can't do it.

916fan · Post #47 » by **916fan** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:51 am

How can anyone seriously still hold the tournament against a player's stock? That's a horrendous way to judge NBA prospects.

DCasey91 · Post #48 » by **DCasey91** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:22 am

I’m actually quite the opposite here about Cade’s leadership material from his recent showings.
From unranked to 4th is some effort

Cade & Suggs are easily the best ones with leadership material at the next level easily. It counts for a lot on a team that is struggling.
Wolves for outside reasons aside from Butler have no leaders at all. Towns, Russell, Wiggins, Edwards? None of have them have leadership qualities just from the eye test.

Besides your leader doesn’t have to be the best player on the team (Smart, Green are great examples of this)

Pains me to say this but Suggs or Cade is much much better than Kuminga/Mobley/Green in terms of the environment needing a captain of the ship so to speak.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if either those two take over the team within two years.

Stillwater · Post #49 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:27 pm

Cc was exposed when it comes to lack of ability to create space or get past anyone good.
Nobody thinks he won't be a lottery pick but an example imo was Harrison Barnes flaws being exposed in the tournament when he lost his pg after sitting at 1 or 2 in the big board consensus all the way up to the time it happened. It does hurt his stock and it may be his stock was not as high as some others anyway despite national media and fan boards riding the train to nowhere good where he got beavered

Big J · Post #50 » by **Big J** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:55 pm

Would you draft Turkoglu 1st overall? Because that’s who Cade looks like. I’m doing a Danny Ainge type trade for a top 3 & future first.

elias808 · Post #51 » by **elias808** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:07 pm

For the record: Warith Alatishe, who was guarding CC most of the game, is a top-notch defender. Really slowed CC down.

reamily · Post #52 » by **reamily** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:21 pm

Stillwater wrote:Cc was exposed when it comes to lack of ability to create space or get past anyone good.
Nobody thinks he won't be a lottery pick but an example imo was Harrison Barnes flaws being exposed in the tournament when he lost his pg after sitting at 1 or 2 in the big board consensus all the way up to the time it happened. It does hurt his stock and it may be his stock was not as high as some others anyway despite national media and fan boards riding the train to nowhere good where he got beavered

Mkg being tagged ass no. 2 is whats wrong with tat draft board.. i get beal at 3, but intangability of barnes makes him a very solid no. 2 pick guy..does he tanked himself low so that warriors can draft him?.. I see guys tanking their stock once gsw snatched that minny pick..

reamily · Post #53 » by **reamily** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 pm

916fan wrote:How can anyone seriously still hold the tournament against a player's stock? That's a horrendous way to judge NBA prospects.

Its not, its just the tournament performance magnifies the issues seen on the regular season and conference performance. No one will talk about it if someone has a bad game..everyone does. But people see cade as a streaky scorer who has potential to be a triple threat guy in the next level despite nit being the best of an athlete..

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

Ok. St has per game averages of 4 threes made per game on 13.4 three pointers attempts per game. (After you subtract Cades numbers)

Clearly Cade will have higher assist numbers and MUCH more open driving lanes in the NBA.

In the NCAA tournament game OK St. Had 9 FGM that weren't made or assited by Cade.

Cade went 4/11 from three, K. Boone went 3/8 from three and the rest of the team went 1/10 from three.

How can Cade rack up assist numbers when teammates don't have the skill to make shots?

Cade went 2-9 from two point field goal range.

It isn't hard to deduce that Oregan St. Was sagging off OK St. And forcing OK. State into being a jump shooting team. This makes it harder for Cade to drive and score or for Cade to dime up anybody who isn't shooting a three.

It dosen't take much effort to look at that box score, subtract Cades contributions to it and conclude what Cade has been working with. Especially when the pro-Cade fans have been complaining about/explaining these issues of talent/spacing around him for 5 or 6 months.

At the end of the day the people who do this professionally will have Cade as the heavy favorite to be picked #1 overall. Cade will go on to an allstar career as the starting PG on a perineal playoffs team.

It seems like the bighest knocks on Cade are "first step" and assist totals. Naturally these are two aspects of a PG's game that will look disproportionally bad when he plays on a team where all of his teammates together average a total of 4 threes made per game.

Stillwater · Post #55 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:48 pm

reamily wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Cc was exposed when it comes to lack of ability to create space or get past anyone good.
Nobody thinks he won't be a lottery pick but an example imo was Harrison Barnes flaws being exposed in the tournament when he lost his pg after sitting at 1 or 2 in the big board consensus all the way up to the time it happened. It does hurt his stock and it may be his stock was not as high as some others anyway despite national media and fan boards riding the train to nowhere good where he got beavered

Mkg being tagged ass no. 2 is whats wrong with tat draft board.. i get beal at 3, but intangability of barnes makes him a very solid no. 2 pick guy..does he tanked himself low so that warriors can draft him?.. I see guys tanking their stock once gsw snatched that minny pick..

Barnes did not throw a NCAA tournament game to tank his stock he choked hard without his pg to feed him and he in fact choked in the same way several times throughout his career in similar fashion. The point I was making is sometimes the tournament setting gives fans a much better look at what a prospect can and cant do with odds stacked against them and when they fail it pushes against them as prospects if in fact all that was needed was them being the player they had been all season up until that point and could not execute their game in that high profile situation. Cade is a hell of a prospect, but this tournament if nothing else shows he lacks the fire and intensity of a player who will do anything to win and that alone is a red flag

reamily · Post #56 » by **reamily** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:51 pm

Again I'd rather have a guy who may have choked but still be an nba player than having a guy who is gone after year 2 and good as gone upon signing his 2nd contract( which was a money heist move btw)

Stillwater · Post #57 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:54 pm

reamily wrote:Again I'd rather have a guy who may have choked but still be an nba player than having a guy who is gone after year 2 and good as gone upon signing his 2nd contract( which was a money heist move btw)

I never said anything about MKG being any better but he did well in the tournament if I remember correctly so it does impact draft stock regardless of if you think it should or shouldn't .
It is just a small faction of the process of player analysis and there is absolutely something to be said about a prospect touted as the clear #1 pick all season despite still being a lottery level prospect regardless, having a bad tournament due to his lackluster drive to dominate and win at all costs including potential injuries etc. He is not Zion who did whatever it took diving for 5050 and playing like there was no tomorrow etc. imo Cade as good as he is lacks the mental fortitude it takes to be a leader and clutch dominating player at the next level. Or maybe yoiu are right and he just doesnt want to end up in Detroit or Minnesota lol

shotsquatch · Post #58 » by **shotsquatch** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:10 pm

I don't think the tournament means much unless a player absolutely shows out. For top tier guys, getting ousted in the first couple rounds has more to do with random chance than their value as players. You don't dismiss Cade's entire body of work based on one game. A guy like Davion Mitchell on the other hand may have slid up well into the lottery after his dominant tourney run.

Cade is still number one.

CptCrunch · Post #59 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:36 pm

Cade has no case for top 3 this draft. Just gonna posting here, bookmarking and bumping in 3 years.

Never had I felt so strongly about a player being overrated like in the case of Cade. Last time I got these feelings, it was for Wiggins.

BlazersBroncos · Post #60 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:47 pm

I got Suggs. He is the lovechild of Dame and Roy. So composed and mature for his age, much better athlete than Cade, works in halfcourt and pushing the tempo, all the athleticism to be a good defender. His shot can be worked on a bit but even that isnt bad bad by any means.

1. Suggs
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Cade