NBA Trade Thread # 3

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Lol, why would he be available?

People probably called Charlotte, GS & Minny about their guys too.

If I was a GM, I'd call Dallas every couple weeks just to make sure Luka was still off the table.

Look, I don't want to trade PWill, but that said, I might consider him in a deal for a second star. Say for example, Sacto wants to transition PG to Hali...I'd do PWill plus filler for Fox. Or if we are set on keeping Lauri ( ), I might consider PWill as main piece in a Grant deal.

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Lol, why would he be available?

People probably called Charlotte, GS & Minny about their guys too.

If I was a GM, I'd call Dallas every couple weeks just to make sure Luka was still off the table.

Look, I don't want to trade PWill, but that said, I might consider him in a deal for a second star. Say for example, Sacto wants to transition PG to Hali...I'd do PWill plus filler for Fox. Or if we are set on keeping Lauri ( ), I might consider PWill as main piece in a Grant deal.

I don’t know. I have a weird amount of faith in PWill developing.

But either way - My point wasn’t that he should be untouchable, but rather than it’s not surprising people asked if he was available.

[bearadonisdna]

Would love to have AAron gordon.
Just fit seems like an issue.
This guy can be a bruising SF but i feel we are married to PAw?
Right now i like him more a bruising Sf than a full time power forward even though he can play PF.

Could Pat move to Sg? his time a pf seems to counter that thinking but doesnt seem impossible.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

I would only move PWill for young established stars like Fox,Ingram,Brown in that mode. Even if Bulls came in opportunity to trade for superstar like Beal,Lillard,Giannis, Pat would probably be center piece from Bulls.

[bearadonisdna]

thad young for marvin bagley.

Heard sac wanted bey from pistons and pistons declined.
Bagley would fix our center issues. Carter cant hit a bunny downlow.

[bearadonisdna]

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has a presence down low. Even if you ditch wcj for him its a upgrade and seems more fluid offensively.

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Lol, why would he be available?

People probably called Charlotte, GS & Minny about their guys too.

If I was a GM, I'd call Dallas every couple weeks just to make sure Luka was still off the table.

Look, I don't want to trade PWill, but that said, I might consider him in a deal for a second star. Say for example, Sacto wants to transition PG to Hali...I'd do PWill plus filler for Fox. Or if we are set on keeping Lauri ( ), I might consider PWill as main piece in a Grant deal.

Agreed. But I'm sure this is involving players that are being moved and not keepers like Fox or Haliburton. Sac is moving Hield or Barnes because they are keeping both Fox & Haliburton.

The interest in Williams is probably for guys we know are for sale: Aaron Gordon, Barnes, the 1.5 month rental on Oladipo, etc..

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has a presence down low. Even if you ditch wcj for him its a upgrade and seems more fluid offensively.

Marvin Bagley has been **** for his whole career so far. You can probably have him for Gafford straight-up or even a 2nd rounder. I would rather not, though.

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has a presence down low. Even if you ditch wcj for him its a upgrade and seems more fluid offensively.

Marvin Bagley has been **** for his whole career so far. You can probably have him for Gafford straight-up or even a 2nd rounder. I would rather not, though.

Gafford is too good, send them Carter and I'd do it.

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has a presence down low. Even if you ditch wcj for him its a upgrade and seems more fluid offensively.

Marvin Bagley has been **** for his whole career so far. You can probably have him for Gafford straight-up or even a 2nd rounder. I would rather not, though.

Yeah, Bagley is better than WCJ but that's not saying much--if he doesn't get his head straight, he's headed down Jalil Okafor lane... and that's a dead end, career-wise.

[Grodoboldo]

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has a presence down low. Even if you ditch wcj for him its a upgrade and seems more fluid offensively.

Marvin Bagley has been **** for his whole career so far. You can probably have him for Gafford straight-up or even a 2nd rounder. I would rather not, though.

Yeah, Bagley is better than WCJ but that's not saying much--if he doesn't get his head straight, he's headed down Jalil Okafor lane... and that's a dead end, career-wise.

I don't think he's been better than WCJ, but I admittedly don't watch much Kings ball, only the boxscores.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Two trades only.
Otto Porter Jr., Hutchinson and 2 round pick for Andre Drummond.
Tomas Satoransky, Wendell Carter Jr., Denzel Valentine and 2 round pick for Lonzo Ball and Nicollo Melli.
Ball Lavine Williams Markkanen Drummond.
White Temple Shittu Young Melli.
Dotson Arcidiacono Mokoka Kornet Gafford/Felicio.

[Red8911]

Marvin Bagley has been **** for his whole career so far. You can probably have him for Gafford straight-up or even a 2nd rounder. I would rather not, though.

Yeah, Bagley is better than WCJ but that's not saying much--if he doesn't get his head straight, he's headed down Jalil Okafor lane... and that's a dead end, career-wise.

I don't think he's been better than WCJ, but I admittedly don't watch much Kings ball, only the boxscores.

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

[Grodoboldo]

Yeah, Bagley is better than WCJ but that's not saying much--if he doesn't get his head straight, he's headed down Jalil Okafor lane... and that's a dead end, career-wise.

I don't think he's been better than WCJ, but I admittedly don't watch much Kings ball, only the boxscores.

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Both have been disappointing, but Carter seems to have better offensive and defensive WS, BPM and VORP, while Bagley has a higher PER, though with more offensive volume. In per 36, they are similar rebounders, while Carter is better at blocks, steals and assists, and Bagley shoots a little bit better at both 2pts and 3pts (while still not being particularly good at it)

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=cartewe01&player_id1=baglema01&sum=0&request=1

Again, both disappointments. But I think I'd rather have WCJ than Bagley at this time.

[aramada]

To Bulls: Ball, Gordon
Bulls solve their PG issues, get a better all-around PF than Lauri, has a potential to be a Top 10 defense even with LaVine and White on the team, and could have enough cap space to re-sign Ball and extend LaVine to the max. Bulls look for a rebounding big guy on the free agent market to complete the roster

Ball, White, Arci, Dotson
LaVine, Temple, Mokoka
Williams, Porter
Gordon, Young
Carter, Gafford, FA big, Kornet

To Magic: Markkanen, Felicio, Valentine, highest SRP between CLE and WAS, highest SRP between CHI and NOP (all 2021 picks)
Lauri is a good fit with the Magic especially if they blow it up and trade Vuc. They don’t get a first but 2 high seconds instead as they’ll have to pay Lauri this summer

To Pelicans: Sato, Hutch, Bulls 2021 FRP (top 4 protected). Bulls drop their right to swap SRPs, Pels get that right instead
Pelicans get Sato and consolidate 2 SRPs into one FRP in the 12-22 range. They could use their other Top 35 SRP on draft night to go even higher

[chefo]

I don't think he's been better than WCJ, but I admittedly don't watch much Kings ball, only the boxscores.

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Both have been disappointing, but Carter seems to have better offensive and defensive WS, BPM and VORP, while Bagley has a higher PER, though with more offensive volume. In per 36, they are similar rebounders, while Carter is better at blocks, steals and assists, and Bagley shoots a little bit better at both 2pts and 3pts (while still not being particularly good at it)

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=cartewe01&player_id1=baglema01&sum=0&request=1

Again, both disappointments. But I think I'd rather have WCJ than Bagley at this time.

Bagley is not timid like WCJ, which counts for something. I don't think most of our fandom truly appreciates how much of an opportunity WCJ got this year--he was getting 10 more touches per game than Lauri, for example (back when I ran the numbers a week or two ago). Bagley gets his 14 pts in 38 touches a game--that's 4th option-level touches. WCJ gets his 11 on over 53 (before the demotion). WCJ was given the opportunity to be a second option--and he produced like a 5th, while dragging everybody else down sharing the court with him with his indecisiveness. On D, I have not paid that much attention to Bagley, and he may be putrid, but WCJ has been close to a train-wreck himself this year, so that's not moving the needle much.

I have a suspicion that if Bagley got WCJ-like touches (they play similar minutes), he'd probably be a 18&8 player, despite playing 25 min/game. If he can ever be a passable defender is another story. His stats on that end look putrid.

[Grodoboldo]

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Both have been disappointing, but Carter seems to have better offensive and defensive WS, BPM and VORP, while Bagley has a higher PER, though with more offensive volume. In per 36, they are similar rebounders, while Carter is better at blocks, steals and assists, and Bagley shoots a little bit better at both 2pts and 3pts (while still not being particularly good at it)

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=cartewe01&player_id1=baglema01&sum=0&request=1

Again, both disappointments. But I think I'd rather have WCJ than Bagley at this time.

Bagley is not timid like WCJ, which counts for something. I don't think most of our fandom truly appreciates how much of an opportunity WCJ got this year--he was getting 10 more touches per game than Lauri, for example (back when I ran the numbers a week or two ago). Bagley gets his 14 pts in 38 touches a game--that's 4th option-level touches. WCJ gets his 11 on over 53 (before the demotion). WCJ was given the opportunity to be a second option--and he produced like a 5th, while dragging everybody else down sharing the court with him with his indecisiveness. On D, I have not paid that much attention to Bagley, and he may be putrid, but WCJ has been close to a train-wreck himself this year, so that's not moving the needle much.

I have a suspicion that if Bagley got WCJ-like touches (they play similar minutes), he'd probably be a 18&8 player, despite playing 25 min/game. If he can ever be a passable defender is another story. His stats on that end look putrid.

Yeah, the very little I saw of him, he seemed Jabari Parker like on defense.
But again, both have been disappointments, and I don't think it would be absurd to lean either way on a direct comparison.

[bearadonisdna]

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Both have been disappointing, but Carter seems to have better offensive and defensive WS, BPM and VORP, while Bagley has a higher PER, though with more offensive volume. In per 36, they are similar rebounders, while Carter is better at blocks, steals and assists, and Bagley shoots a little bit better at both 2pts and 3pts (while still not being particularly good at it)

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=cartewe01&player_id1=baglema01&sum=0&request=1

Again, both disappointments. But I think I'd rather have WCJ than Bagley at this time.

Bagley is not timid like WCJ, which counts for something. I don't think most of our fandom truly appreciates how much of an opportunity WCJ got this year--he was getting 10 more touches per game than Lauri, for example (back when I ran the numbers a week or two ago). Bagley gets his 14 pts in 38 touches a game--that's 4th option-level touches. WCJ gets his 11 on over 53 (before the demotion). WCJ was given the opportunity to be a second option--and he produced like a 5th, while dragging everybody else down sharing the court with him with his indecisiveness. On D, I have not paid that much attention to Bagley, and he may be putrid, but WCJ has been close to a train-wreck himself this year, so that's not moving the needle much.

I have a suspicion that if Bagley got WCJ-like touches (they play similar minutes), he'd probably be a 18&8 player, despite playing 25 min/game. If he can ever be a passable defender is another story. His stats on that end look putrid.

Good analysis.
Bagley out 4 more weeks , talent wise im in, but that timeframe im kinda out.
Even so, its a clear buying low circumstance but yea out with injury right now.

[CaPiTanAK]

Marvin Bagley is a classic buy low story. The question is how much is the price. I'll throw either Coby White or WCJ plus a second rounder for him. If he turns it around, he has the potential to be a net positive starter on a playoff contending team. He's young, above average size, and above average agility/athleticism for his position.

[CaPiTanAK]

If there is a team who may have underdeveloped talent, it may be the Sacramento Kings. Luke Walton is Boylin bad. He's literally tanking his players' value. There might be a revitalizing story among one of those players if traded to another team.