NBA Trade Thread # 3

[HomoSapien]

Lot's of rumors circulating:

1. Lakers are shopping Montrezl Harrell.

2. Aaron Gordon has reportedly demanded a trade.

3. The Kings offered Marvin Bagley to the Pistons for Bey.

All three players are somewhat interesting to me if the price is right. Being in LA, I've got to watch Harrell play closely for years. For a team that's desperately looking for consistent effort from our big men, Harrell would be a breath of fresh air. Not sure what the Lakers want, but they seem to have interest in every single center that's ever played in the NBA. I would offer Carter and Valentine for Harrell. Not a perfect trade by any means, but it makes us better.

If we've determined that we're done with either Lauri or Carter, then maybe it's worth trading either for a gamble at Bagley. Both have higher trade value than Bagley (IMO), so maybe we could twist Sac's arm for a sweetener.

Gordon is harder to figure out. His development has been pretty up and down, but he's shown some scoring and defensive ability in the past. From a fan perspective, it'd be pretty damn entertaining to see him and Zach on the same team. For whatever reason, I feel like they'd both push each other due to to their linked dunk contest connection. That's a feeling based on nothing though. Again, maybe something centered around Lauri or Carter + salary fillers makes sense if we've decided to move on from either. Gordon's not a star, but next year he makes less than what Lauri's projected to make which may give us some flexibility in how we construct next year's roster.

[HomoSapien]

Yeah, Bagley is better than WCJ but that's not saying much--if he doesn't get his head straight, he's headed down Jalil Okafor lane... and that's a dead end, career-wise.

I don't think he's been better than WCJ, but I admittedly don't watch much Kings ball, only the boxscores.

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Bagley, just like Carter (and perhaps Lauri) is in desperate need of a change of scenery. Sacramento seems like it is a toxic environment. He needs to be on team that is willing to give him full starter minutes and he also needs to escape Luka's shadow. In Sacramento, he'll always be the guy they picked instead of Luka (heck Dave Joerger even took a subtle shot at the Kings drafting of Bagley), but that criticism won't follow him to other teams.

[TheSuzerain]

Bagley sucks.

Can't shoot. Can't pass. Can't defend.

Don't see any appeal.

[kodo]

Not a big fan of Bagley. He doesn't seem better than Lauri in anything other than availability.

Bagley averages 13 ppg on an average 55% TS, Lauri 18 ppg on 63% TS. Bagley is yet to average 1 made 3 per game, he can't space or draw defenses like Lauri who is averaging 3 makes per game from beyond. All of Lauri's issues are on the other end of the court, but Bagley is the same here or worse.

Kings media on Bagley's defense:
https://kingsherald.com/articles/nba-sacramento-kings-marvin-bagley-stats/

For some reason, a few highlight blocks in Bagley's rookie season convinced a portion of the fan base that he possessed potential as a future positive defender and above-average rim protector. But three seasons into his career he has yet to show any of that dynamic. Out of 214 qualified players, Marvin Bagley ranks 213th in defensive field goal percentage, the percent that an opponent's field goal percentage increases or decreases when guarded by a particular player. On the season, his opponents have posted a pedestrian 48.1% FG%, but when defended by Bagley, that accuracy jumps to an incredible 62%, an increase of 13.9%. For comparison's sake, Buddy Hield was considered the worst defender on the squad last year, and he posted a DFG% Differential of 5.2%. Unfortunately, the numbers somehow get worse for Marvin as he shifts closer to the basket. Of the 107 players who have defended at least three shots per game at the rim, Bagley currently places 99th, allowing his opponents to shoot a whopping 83.4% in the paint, a 15.1% jump from their average of 68.3%.

I guess Marvin would give you a cost controlled warm body at the 5 for another year is the main thing. But I feel if we're likely to part with Lauri & Wendell, then 110% we wouldn't pay Bagley after his rookie contract either.

I get the complaints that Lauri is a one sided player on offense, but he does that job extremely well. 3 makes per game, 40% on 3s, 63% TS. He's a non-factor on defense. Bagley is a non factor on offense, and one of the worst if not the worst big man defender in the league. Granted he looked like an all-star against us scoring 26 points, but what big man doesn't.

[TheFinishSniper]

Bagley sucks.

Can't shoot. Can't pass. Can't defend.

Don't see any appeal.

Better than WCJ. Sign me the f up

[TheFinishSniper]

I would only move PWill for young established stars like Fox,Ingram,Brown in that mode. Even if Bulls came in opportunity to trade for superstar like Beal,Lillard,Giannis, Pat would probably be center piece from Bulls.

i'll personally escort Pwill for Fox or Ingram to their new teams if somebody is giving us them

[WYO]

I don't think he's been better than WCJ, but I admittedly don't watch much Kings ball, only the boxscores.

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Bagley, just like Carter (and perhaps Lauri) is in desperate need of a change of scenery. Sacramento seems like it is a toxic environment. He needs to be on team that is willing to give him full starter minutes and he also needs to escape Luka's shadow. In Sacramento, he'll always be the guy they picked instead of Luka (heck Dave Joerger even took a subtle shot at the Kings drafting of Bagley), but that criticism won't follow him to other teams.

This is the NBA. He isn't entitled to anything because he supposedly has potential.

He isn't a Shaq sized guy that needs development. He's a 6'10" ok athlete that can't shoot or defend and thinks he deserves minutes he hasn't earned. You trade peanuts for him, stick him on the end of the bench and make it clear he will never see the floor unless he decides to become a team player instead of pandering to a whiny little baby. He is another Jahlil Okafor. Don't waste any resources to land the guy.

[HomoSapien]

Bagley is better than Carter and a lot better offensively. He’s a scorer, main problem is the injuries though and not sure why the bulls would go for him unless Lauri gets traded.

Bagley, just like Carter (and perhaps Lauri) is in desperate need of a change of scenery. Sacramento seems like it is a toxic environment. He needs to be on team that is willing to give him full starter minutes and he also needs to escape Luka's shadow. In Sacramento, he'll always be the guy they picked instead of Luka (heck Dave Joerger even took a subtle shot at the Kings drafting of Bagley), but that criticism won't follow him to other teams.

This is the NBA. He isn't entitled to anything because he supposedly has potential.

He isn't a Shaq sized guy that needs development. He's a 6'10" ok athlete that can't shoot or defend and thinks he deserves minutes he hasn't earned. You trade peanuts for him, stick him on the end of the bench and make it clear he will never see the floor unless he decides to become a team player instead of pandering to a whiny little baby. He is another Jahlil Okafor. Don't waste any resources to land the guy.

I think this is a silly stance. If you are going to draft a guy with the 2nd pick, you go out of your way to put them in a position to succeed. His health has been an issue, but when he plays he's always productive. Per 36, for his career he's averaging 21 and 11. Maybe those are ultimately empty stats, but if I'm the Kings I'd much rather at least allow him to put up those numbers to retain his trade value. Right now they've killed his development and ruined his trade value.

Also, why do people keep saying he can't shoot? He's good for a three every game and makes 35% of his attempts. He's not Lauri, but he's solid for a big man.

[chefo]

Actually Bagley’s best comp is probably young Bobby Portis; different stylistically, but very similar in impact— looks like they fill up a stat sheet, but for whatever reason, just don’t seem to cut it and can’t get more than 25 min game to save their lives.

[HomoSapien]

Actually Bagley’s best comp is probably young Bobby Portis; different stylistically, but very similar in impact— looks like they fill up a stat sheet, but for whatever reason, just don’t seem to cut it and can’t get more than 25 min game to save their lives.

I think that's a reasonable comparison, but I'll point out that Bagley is taller/longer, a more consistent shot-maker, more athletic, and a better rim protector. If Bobby could improve on all those things, he'd be less of a limited prospect. There's a reason Bagley considered a top 2 draft pick his entire freshmen year. He certainly may never sniff that potential, but if we don't have anything better going on and the price is cheap then maybe we see if Donovan can put him in a place to succeed. So far, I think we know exactly what Carter and Lauri both are. If we make swap either for Bagley and decide that Bagley stinks, then it's not like it'd be a franchise-killing move.

[ZOMG]

Not a big fan of Bagley. He doesn't seem better than Lauri in anything other than availability.

Huh??

Bagley has played a grand total of 112 games in his career!!

He's ALWAYS injured.

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Daylight robbery

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[Kukoc-Lauri]

Simply put if we are trading Lauri or WCJ,Coby it has to be for draft pick. Not much different paying Lauri/Ball/Gordon or Bagley similar price on exstensions or rookie deals. We need to keep cap space and gain draft assets not to lose either cap space or picks. Ride with this group till end of season, preserve cap space and draft capital and than make moves. Grass is not always greener somewhere else. It wouldn take to long for fan base to be frustraded with Ball,Gordon,Bagley,Drummond either. If we loose track for playoffs two weeks of tanking (resting Zach) can net us top 10 pick easily.

[FriedRise]

Bagley sucks.

Can't shoot. Can't pass. Can't defend.

Don't see any appeal.

Better than WCJ. Sign me the f up

Better than a guy who can't shoot, can't score, can't defend, can't pass, can't catch the ball, and can't save his starting job from a 32-year old journeyman?

Yeah that's a pretty low bar!

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I dont know why we are talking about Bagley. Montrezl is the guy I want. He is an absolute beast.

[TheSuzerain]

Montrezl is fool's gold.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Only move without big risk is Porter,Hutchinson for Drummond. Cavs will buyout him if not traded. Contenders have nothing to offer. Porter is one trip to bench away from season ending injury. Cavs lacks depth on wing, so Hutch is maybe best offer without buyout. Same goes with Aldrige to leseer degree. Better to have La, maybe Lauri can learn some moves from him. At this point for last two month any expiring deal is better than OPJ.