Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer?

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Re: Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer? 

Post#121 » by og15 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:02 am

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GSP wrote:4 straight Dnps now.... Not on the injury report

Seems like the Clips are desperately trying to trade him but that contract.....

gotta be one of the worst and most random decisions in Nba history lmaoooo


Or they're showcasing the guys they want to trade, bev, Lou, and benching the guy they have plans for in the future.


Lol teams don't bench players for those reasons if it means they're weaker on the court. Clippers have championship aspirations and are playing the players that will help them win games. Batum has unexpectedly taken Kennard's spot because he's better right now. It's really that simple.
Batum is a forward, Kennard is a guard, Batum didn't take his spot. Batum took Morris' spot for a while, until Morris was put back into the starting lineup recently.

Kennard was supposed to be the bench SG alongside Lou Williams to add another shooter / playmaker. Can he do those things? Yes, but he's a bit timid on the team, and secondly and more importantly, him and Williams are tough to play together defensively. Lue had to choose one, and he chose Williams who is the better player. Terrance Mann is actually the player who has taken Kennard's spot in the rotation.
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Re: Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer? 

Post#122 » by TheNewEra » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:05 am

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GSP wrote:4 straight Dnps now.... Not on the injury report

Seems like the Clips are desperately trying to trade him but that contract.....

gotta be one of the worst and most random decisions in Nba history lmaoooo

Kennard played tonight, though late, he was out the two games vs Dallas and also played vs New Orleans (where he had a good game). Must have doubled the two DNP's to four, lol

Extension was a very poor decision

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GSP wrote:4 straight Dnps now.... Not on the injury report

Seems like the Clips are desperately trying to trade him but that contract.....

gotta be one of the worst and most random decisions in Nba history lmaoooo


Or they're showcasing the guys they want to trade, bev, Lou, and benching the guy they have plans for in the future.

No, he's just fallen out of the rotation. Lou Williams is better than him and they aren't playable together defensively, so someone had to go out.


Lou Williams has absolutely not been better and I also find it odd Luke was punished for his hesitation but Lou clearly isn’t looking to shoot the 3 ball as much this season unless he’s baiting the defender
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Re: Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer? 

Post#123 » by og15 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:13 am

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GSP wrote:4 straight Dnps now.... Not on the injury report

Seems like the Clips are desperately trying to trade him but that contract.....

gotta be one of the worst and most random decisions in Nba history lmaoooo

Kennard played tonight, though late, he was out the two games vs Dallas and also played vs New Orleans (where he had a good game). Must have doubled the two DNP's to four, lol

Extension was a very poor decision

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Or they're showcasing the guys they want to trade, bev, Lou, and benching the guy they have plans for in the future.

No, he's just fallen out of the rotation. Lou Williams is better than him and they aren't playable together defensively, so someone had to go out.


Lou Williams has absolutely not been better and I also find it odd Luke was punished for his hesitation but Lou clearly isn’t looking to shoot the 3 ball as much this season unless he’s baiting the defender

Williams has been better. The bench needs a guard to be aggressive and put pressure on the defense. Williams does that. Kennard is a better shooter, but even in lineups where Williams isn't there, and stars aren't there, he still struggles to be aggressive and be "the guy" in the unit he's with. This means even if Kennard can do certain things better, Williams will have better impact on the lineup. Neither can defend, but Clippers have also gotten more solid defensive moments from Williams than Kennard. I like Kennard, I really want him to succeed, but I also have to be real about the situation. Kennard doesn't have an argument over Williams based on how he's played on this team.

Luke's hesitation was holding back his impact and the effectiveness of the lineups he played with. Williams' shying away from as many three's has not been shown to appreciably impact the effectiveness of the lineups he plays with
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Re: Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer? 

Post#124 » by TheNewEra » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:14 am

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GSP wrote:4 straight Dnps now.... Not on the injury report

Seems like the Clips are desperately trying to trade him but that contract.....

gotta be one of the worst and most random decisions in Nba history lmaoooo


Or they're showcasing the guys they want to trade, bev, Lou, and benching the guy they have plans for in the future.


Lol teams don't bench players for those reasons if it means they're weaker on the court. Clippers have championship aspirations and are playing the players that will help them win games. Batum has unexpectedly taken Kennard's spot because he's better right now. It's really that simple.


Lou/Luke/Reggie are all below average defenders so it’s hard to play any combination together for long. Reggie is the designated spot starter and Lou has his bench role locked in regardless. Hopefully a deal at the deadline opens up room for Luke to get back to the second unit with Lou gone.
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Re: Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer? 

Post#125 » by TheNewEra » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:29 am

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og15 wrote:Kennard played tonight, though late, he was out the two games vs Dallas and also played vs New Orleans (where he had a good game). Must have doubled the two DNP's to four, lol

Extension was a very poor decision


No, he's just fallen out of the rotation. Lou Williams is better than him and they aren't playable together defensively, so someone had to go out.


Lou Williams has absolutely not been better and I also find it odd Luke was punished for his hesitation but Lou clearly isn’t looking to shoot the 3 ball as much this season unless he’s baiting the defender

Williams has been better. The bench needs a guard to be aggressive and put pressure on the defense. Williams does that. Kennard is a better shooter, but even in lineups where Williams isn't there, and stars aren't there, he still struggles to be aggressive and be "the guy" in the unit he's with. This means even if Kennard can do certain things better, Williams will have better impact on the lineup. Neither can defend, but Clippers have also gotten more solid defensive moments from Williams than Kennard. I like Kennard, I really want him to succeed, but I also have to be real about the situation. Kennard doesn't have an argument over Williams based on how he's played on this team.

Luke's hesitation was holding back his impact and the effectiveness of the lineups he played with. Williams' shying away from as many three's has not been shown to appreciably impact the effectiveness of the lineups he plays with


Being aggressive shouldn’t mean taking a bunch of ill advised shots and not making your teammates better. His assists and scoring are down and his defensive moments are just that moments . Luke started the season passive but Lou started just bad and Lou with his hot streak has cooled down in recent weeks. Any chance given Luke has looked to do everything the team is looking for with pushing the ball, hitting shots and being the better playmaker for his teammates.

If the Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams era of the sixth man playoffs have shown anything it’s that we don’t need ball dominant scorers
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Re: Luke Kennard got a DNP-CD today: Worst move in the summer? 

Post#126 » by og15 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:36 am

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Lou Williams has absolutely not been better and I also find it odd Luke was punished for his hesitation but Lou clearly isn’t looking to shoot the 3 ball as much this season unless he’s baiting the defender

Williams has been better. The bench needs a guard to be aggressive and put pressure on the defense. Williams does that. Kennard is a better shooter, but even in lineups where Williams isn't there, and stars aren't there, he still struggles to be aggressive and be "the guy" in the unit he's with. This means even if Kennard can do certain things better, Williams will have better impact on the lineup. Neither can defend, but Clippers have also gotten more solid defensive moments from Williams than Kennard. I like Kennard, I really want him to succeed, but I also have to be real about the situation. Kennard doesn't have an argument over Williams based on how he's played on this team.

Luke's hesitation was holding back his impact and the effectiveness of the lineups he played with. Williams' shying away from as many three's has not been shown to appreciably impact the effectiveness of the lineups he plays with


Being aggressive shouldn’t mean taking a bunch of ill advised shots and not making your teammates better. His assists and scoring are down and his defensive moments are just that moments . Luke started the season passive but Lou started just bad and Lou with his hot streak has cooled down in recent weeks. Any chance given Luke has looked to do everything the team is looking for with pushing the ball, hitting shots and being the better playmaker for his teammates.

If the Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams era of the sixth man playoffs have shown anything it’s that we don’t need ball dominant scorers

It's all about whether you have superior alternatives. The issue with Jamal Crawford on the Clippers, and I had issues with his play, but the issue was that the roster didn't have alternatives. Lou started slow because they were running a three guard lineup, with three guys who could all use the ball, and he was trying to be a facilitator. Trying to play an unnatural game can be difficult.

Kennard has played 15+ minutes in 28 games, there has been ample opportunity for him to "pick it up". The difference between Lou and Kennard is that when coach Lue asked Lou to play his game and be aggressive, he was able to do it. They have been asking Kennard to be aggressive, because that is what will keep him on the court, and he's not comfortable doing that on this team. Kennard wasn't traded for and signed to be a spot up shooter, he was traded for and signed to be a playmaker. You can't be a playmaker if you're too timid when the ball gets in your hands, you have to make moves, shift the defense, play down hill, attack. Kennard is capable of those things, but he's not willing enough to do them consistently on the court.

Due to the defensive issues with the bench playmaker guards, the coaching plan was that those guys (Williams, Kennard and Jackson) would generally only be on the court with 4 other good defenders. So with that sort of set up, yes, the team can run if with a "primary" attacker with finishers around them who can defend. If Kennard was able to consistently attack, he could usurp the role as that primary attacker, but he can't. I think the assumption that if Williams is just traded, then Kennard would now just slide into that role is hopeful, but not necessarily the undeniable outcome and might not be realistic.
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Post#127 » by TheNewEra » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:56 am

og15 wrote:
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og15 wrote:Williams has been better. The bench needs a guard to be aggressive and put pressure on the defense. Williams does that. Kennard is a better shooter, but even in lineups where Williams isn't there, and stars aren't there, he still struggles to be aggressive and be "the guy" in the unit he's with. This means even if Kennard can do certain things better, Williams will have better impact on the lineup. Neither can defend, but Clippers have also gotten more solid defensive moments from Williams than Kennard. I like Kennard, I really want him to succeed, but I also have to be real about the situation. Kennard doesn't have an argument over Williams based on how he's played on this team.

Luke's hesitation was holding back his impact and the effectiveness of the lineups he played with. Williams' shying away from as many three's has not been shown to appreciably impact the effectiveness of the lineups he plays with


Being aggressive shouldn’t mean taking a bunch of ill advised shots and not making your teammates better. His assists and scoring are down and his defensive moments are just that moments . Luke started the season passive but Lou started just bad and Lou with his hot streak has cooled down in recent weeks. Any chance given Luke has looked to do everything the team is looking for with pushing the ball, hitting shots and being the better playmaker for his teammates.

If the Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams era of the sixth man playoffs have shown anything it’s that we don’t need ball dominant scorers

It's all about whether you have superior alternatives. The issue with Jamal Crawford on the Clippers, and I had issues with his play, but the issue was that the roster didn't have alternatives. Lou started slow because they were running a three guard lineup, with three guys who could all use the ball, and he was trying to be a facilitator. Trying to play an unnatural game can be difficult.

Kennard has played 15+ minutes in 28 games, there has been ample opportunity for him to "pick it up". The difference between Lou and Kennard is that when coach Lue asked Lou to play his game and be aggressive, he was able to do it. They have been asking Kennard to be aggressive, because that is what will keep him on the court, and he's not comfortable doing that on this team. Kennard wasn't traded for and signed to be a spot up shooter, he was traded for and signed to be a playmaker. You can't be a playmaker if you're too timid when the ball gets in your hands, you have to make moves, shift the defense, play down hill, attack. Kennard is capable of those things, but he's not willing enough to do them consistently on the court.

Due to the defensive issues with the bench playmaker guards, the coaching plan was that those guys (Williams, Kennard and Jackson) would generally only be on the court with 4 other good defenders. So with that sort of set up, yes, the team can run if with a "primary" attacker with finishers around them who can defend. If Kennard was able to consistently attack, he could usurp the role as that primary attacker, but he can't. I think the assumption that if Williams is just traded, then Kennard would now just slide into that role is hopeful, but not necessarily the undeniable outcome and might not be realistic.


He was signed to be a playmaker but he never fully had the ball in his hands to adapt. Like you mentioned Lou started the season as the facilitator and it wasn’t working so he went back to primary scoring which has been a up and down result. The usage drop off for both shows Lou has kept the ball in his hands through his ups and downs and never had his minutes challenged regardless of play.

Everything shown as of late the minutes distribution shouldn’t be as tight or one sided as it has been.
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Post#128 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:07 am

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Tor_Raps wrote:
iamworthy wrote:
Or they're showcasing the guys they want to trade, bev, Lou, and benching the guy they have plans for in the future.


Lol teams don't bench players for those reasons if it means they're weaker on the court. Clippers have championship aspirations and are playing the players that will help them win games. Batum has unexpectedly taken Kennard's spot because he's better right now. It's really that simple.
Batum is a forward, Kennard is a guard, Batum didn't take his spot. Batum took Morris' spot for a while, until Morris was put back into the starting lineup recently.

Kennard was supposed to be the bench SG alongside Lou Williams to add another shooter / playmaker. Can he do those things? Yes, but he's a bit timid on the team, and secondly and more importantly, him and Williams are tough to play together defensively. Lue had to choose one, and he chose Williams who is the better player. Terrance Mann is actually the player who has taken Kennard's spot in the rotation.


Kennard was given that contract with all those players already on the roster so the Clippers obviously intended to use him with Lou. Its not like it was a secret that both suck defensively.

If Kennard were good enough, the clippers have enough position flexibility to make it work since PG/Kawhi/Batum can play SG/SF/PF.
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Post#129 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:12 am

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Or they're showcasing the guys they want to trade, bev, Lou, and benching the guy they have plans for in the future.


Lol teams don't bench players for those reasons if it means they're weaker on the court. Clippers have championship aspirations and are playing the players that will help them win games. Batum has unexpectedly taken Kennard's spot because he's better right now. It's really that simple.


Lou/Luke/Reggie are all below average defenders so it’s hard to play any combination together for long. Reggie is the designated spot starter and Lou has his bench role locked in regardless. Hopefully a deal at the deadline opens up room for Luke to get back to the second unit with Lou gone.


Just responded to another poster about the same topic mentioning the contract was signed with all these players on the roster already. You don't trade for players and sign them to an extension without knowing how they will fit into your plans.

Luke is a one way player whose offense hasn't been good enough to offset his crappy defense. Not saying it will be like this forever but at this stage with the current roster, it's just the way it is.
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Post#130 » by TheNewEra » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:22 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
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Lol teams don't bench players for those reasons if it means they're weaker on the court. Clippers have championship aspirations and are playing the players that will help them win games. Batum has unexpectedly taken Kennard's spot because he's better right now. It's really that simple.


Lou/Luke/Reggie are all below average defenders so it’s hard to play any combination together for long. Reggie is the designated spot starter and Lou has his bench role locked in regardless. Hopefully a deal at the deadline opens up room for Luke to get back to the second unit with Lou gone.


Just responded to another poster about the same topic mentioning the contract was signed with all these players on the roster already. You don't trade for players and sign them to an extension without knowing how they will fit into your plans.

Luke is a one way player whose offense hasn't been good enough to offset his crappy defense. Not saying it will be like this forever but at this stage with the current roster, it's just the way it is.


Crazy part is he’s having a career year shooting it’s just the situation was horrible from the get go. Clippers already had proof pairing Lou with another shooter that’s not good at defense in Shamet wouldn’t work. So to make the situation worse they traded Shamet for a player that needs the ball even more and can’t cover for Lou defensively or himself. From all reports the team was ready to trade Lou in the offseason and got cold feet but already paid Luke.

So two guards that need the ball and have the same weaknesses let’s make the third backcourt player Reggie Jackson lol
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Post#131 » by og15 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:57 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
og15 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Lol teams don't bench players for those reasons if it means they're weaker on the court. Clippers have championship aspirations and are playing the players that will help them win games. Batum has unexpectedly taken Kennard's spot because he's better right now. It's really that simple.
Batum is a forward, Kennard is a guard, Batum didn't take his spot. Batum took Morris' spot for a while, until Morris was put back into the starting lineup recently.

Kennard was supposed to be the bench SG alongside Lou Williams to add another shooter / playmaker. Can he do those things? Yes, but he's a bit timid on the team, and secondly and more importantly, him and Williams are tough to play together defensively. Lue had to choose one, and he chose Williams who is the better player. Terrance Mann is actually the player who has taken Kennard's spot in the rotation.


Kennard was given that contract with all those players already on the roster so the Clippers obviously intended to use him with Lou. Its not like it was a secret that both suck defensively.

If Kennard were good enough, the clippers have enough position flexibility to make it work since PG/Kawhi/Batum can play SG/SF/PF.

I didn't suggest otherwise, but Batum was not the one that took Kennard's spot, which is what I was replying to. The contract was pre-mature, they should have seen if they could make it work before giving it to him. Sometimes teams can find ways to make below average defenders work together, sometimes they can't. Don't know why they assumed it would just work out and extended him.

Tyronn Lue's aim after the first 10 games was that either of those guards (Williams/Kennard/Jackson) only play minutes with 4 other good defenders around them.
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Post#132 » by rmfc » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:32 am

Quite a few of the Pistons fans are of the opinion that Luke is some sort of a superstar talent that just hasn't gotten enough playing time and/or just not enough of the ball in his hands.

Trading Luke away is part of the reason the same set of "Pistons fans" show bitter hatred towards Weaver.
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Post#133 » by ConSarnit » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:54 am

This might be one of the worst signings of all time (so far). Guys getting DNP’d and his extension doesn’t even kick in until next year?! The only other player I can remember having something similar happen is Andre Blatche and that did not end well.
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Post#134 » by TheNewEra » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:22 am

I **** told y’all! Give the man the damn keys to the bench unit and surround him with defenders and athletes. He’s been looking assertive for games now and been leaps better than Lou and it took a month of not winning back to back game to make the damn switch.

Get Lou Williams off the damn team and get the best defensive pass first guard you can and make this playoff push
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Post#135 » by Sofia » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:34 am

Mfiondu Kabengele was holding him back all this time
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Post#136 » by TheNewEra » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:37 am

Sofia wrote:Mfiondu Kabengele was holding him back all this time


Youth movement game would happen after he got traded lol
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Post#137 » by urgal » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:37 am

TheNewEra wrote:I **** told y’all! Give the man the damn keys to the bench unit and surround him with defenders and athletes. He’s been looking assertive for games now and been leaps better than Lou and it took a month of not winning back to back game to make the damn switch.

Get Lou Williams off the damn team and get the best defensive pass first guard you can and make this playoff push

Can i get some more hot takes please?
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Post#138 » by Repeat 3-peat » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:44 am

Why won't they trade Lou Williams for a point guard? It's not like he is going to help come playoff time.
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Post#139 » by Mister Ze » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:48 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:Why won't they trade Lou Williams for a point guard? It's not like he is going to help come playoff time.


And its been that way throughout his career. 55% TS% during the regular season for his career vs 49% TS% in the playoffs, huge sample size.
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Post#140 » by TheNewEra » Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:53 am

urgal wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:I **** told y’all! Give the man the damn keys to the bench unit and surround him with defenders and athletes. He’s been looking assertive for games now and been leaps better than Lou and it took a month of not winning back to back game to make the damn switch.

Get Lou Williams off the damn team and get the best defensive pass first guard you can and make this playoff push

Can i get some more hot takes please?


Zubac should start over Ibaka. It didn’t show tonight because things went left when the bench started to role in but this team is so much better with him starting. We need to fix the PG issue using Lou and then try to balance the buyout market for the rest of the team.

Maybe have Beverly come off the bench

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