Trade Talk (Part Six)

[shrink]

Regarding trading for Aaron Gordon, I am bringing over this post, from the “I never thought of that!” Department.

If I were Minny - I would not do a deal at this point.
I would let Minny know that we might deal later - in the offseason.
If Minny gets the #1 pick, Cunningham is too good to deal - and he is tall enough to play the 1-3 so could play next to Edwards and DR.
If Minny gets the #2 or #3 pick (if #4 too bad), then a trade down would make a lot of sense. Mobley is a great project but probably not a good fit next to KAT. Prospect 3-5 (Green/Kuminga/Suggs): Green and Suggs are great prospects but not that tall - SG only which is not what Minny needs. Kuminga is a great sf prospect and would work well in Minny (or Orlando for that matter). If Minny gets #2 and Orlando gets #3, Minny could trade down one spot and take Kuminga instead of Mobley - Gordon could be a piece in that type of deal.
ex - AGordon+ Kuminga (3 or 4?) + Bamba for Culver, McDaniels, Rubio, #2 Mobley

[post0115]

Not a big move, but I see that Moe Harkless is picking up DNP-CD's in Miami. Would love to get him. I would think Layman would be enough since their shooters are letting them down. Salaries line up.

[Neeva]

Regarding trading for Aaron Gordon, I am bringing over this post, from the “I never thought of that!” Department.

If I were Minny - I would not do a deal at this point.
I would let Minny know that we might deal later - in the offseason.
If Minny gets the #1 pick, Cunningham is too good to deal - and he is tall enough to play the 1-3 so could play next to Edwards and DR.
If Minny gets the #2 or #3 pick (if #4 too bad), then a trade down would make a lot of sense. Mobley is a great project but probably not a good fit next to KAT. Prospect 3-5 (Green/Kuminga/Suggs): Green and Suggs are great prospects but not that tall - SG only which is not what Minny needs. Kuminga is a great sf prospect and would work well in Minny (or Orlando for that matter). If Minny gets #2 and Orlando gets #3, Minny could trade down one spot and take Kuminga instead of Mobley - Gordon could be a piece in that type of deal.
ex - AGordon+ Kuminga (3 or 4?) + Bamba for Culver, McDaniels, Rubio, #2 Mobley

No thanks I am rolling with Green or Suggs.Unless One of them for sure will be available at 4.

[Neeva]

If the freaking Magic get a better return for Gordon than the wolves got for Roco and for Butler I will be very annoyed.

[winforlose]

What to you guys think of this?

Wolves send Ricky to Celtics, Ant and Culver to Pacers
Pacers receive Boston first, Ant, and Culver
Wolves receive Sabonis, Pritchard

https://tradenba.com/trade-machine confirms it works.

[TwolvesFanRome]

What to you guys think of this?

Wolves send Ricky to Celtics, Ant and Culver to Pacers
Pacers receive Boston first, Ant, and Culver
Wolves receive Sabonis, Pritchard

https://tradenba.com/trade-machine confirms it works.

According to me it is a Easy NO for Celtics and I am quite sure Pacers dislike it.

[Heimdal]

Raptors are a mess. Lowry is leaving for sure so they need a PG and read this about Siakam:

Read on Twitter

[winforlose]

What to you guys think of this?

Wolves send Ricky to Celtics, Ant and Culver to Pacers
Pacers receive Boston first, Ant, and Culver
Wolves receive Sabonis, Pritchard

https://tradenba.com/trade-machine confirms it works.

According to me it is a Easy NO for Celtics and I am quite sure Pacers dislike it.

Okay, let’s take this step by step, why is it an easy No for you? Also, why would Pacers dislike it. They are clearly trying to rebuild if they are making available their best players. Ant is by himself a great building block and Culver’s defense adds value to him. Admittedly both are project players but they are good for rebuild.

[AbeVigodaLive]

What to you guys think of this?

Wolves send Ricky to Celtics, Ant and Culver to Pacers
Pacers receive Boston first, Ant, and Culver
Wolves receive Sabonis, Pritchard

https://tradenba.com/trade-machine confirms it works.

According to me it is a Easy NO for Celtics and I am quite sure Pacers dislike it.

Okay, let’s take this step by step, why is it an easy No for you? Also, why would Pacers dislike it. They are clearly trying to rebuild if they are making available their best players. Ant is by himself a great building block and Culver’s defense adds value to him. Admittedly both are project players but they are good for rebuild.

Why is Indiana rebuilding?

It's important to note that they remain in the playoff hunt... despite 20 ppg scorer TJ Warren only playing 4 games... and then trading Oladipo for a guy who immediately had a mass removed from his kidney.




[Note: Honestly, I don't like it for any of the teams. I think it's hard to win in today's NBA without a dynamic wing. And building around two posts who need to be fed seems like the wrong path for the Wolves. And I don't think Rubio is worth a #15 - #20 draft pick for Boston.]

[winforlose]

According to me it is a Easy NO for Celtics and I am quite sure Pacers dislike it.

Okay, let’s take this step by step, why is it an easy No for you? Also, why would Pacers dislike it. They are clearly trying to rebuild if they are making available their best players. Ant is by himself a great building block and Culver’s defense adds value to him. Admittedly both are project players but they are good for rebuild.

Why is Indiana rebuilding?

It's important to note that they remain in the playoff hunt... despite 20 ppg scorer TJ Warren only playing 4 games... and then trading Oladipo for a guy who immediately had a mass removed from his kidney.




[Note: Honestly, I don't like it for any of the teams. I think it's hard to win in today's NBA without a dynamic wing. And building around two posts who need to be fed seems like the wrong path for the Wolves. And I don't think Rubio is worth a #15 - #20 draft pick for Boston.]

Pacers are rebuilding because they just put all their best players on the trade market. They aren’t well built to beat super teams and that was before losing Oladipo (Levert is good, but he isn’t Oladipo before the injury.) They would be better off selling off some of their pieces going younger and in 2 or 3 years using their great development system to compete for real.

Boston wants to move on from Kemba, having Ricky frees them up to do it. Even if they don’t Kemba has knee issues and performance issues because of the knee. Having Ricky for the playoffs if Kemba goes down (or even if he doesn’t) is huge value for them. Pritchard is a guy the might not want to give up, but with Kemba and Rubio he won’t see minutes anyway. He is a project player whose shooting is nice but can go cold and disappear. Boston can also still pursue Gordon with a young player instead of that pick or offering future picks. They have the room with the trade exemption.

The wolves get the PF/C they desperately need to pair with Towns. Sabonis is a great rebounder, solid defender, and has a team friendly contract. KAT could dish to him all day long when they double and Sabonis would feast. Meanwhile we can always draft a dynamic wing if we keep our pick. If not, we still have plenty of shooting and some solid young pieces like MCD and Reid who will improve over time.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Okay, let’s take this step by step, why is it an easy No for you? Also, why would Pacers dislike it. They are clearly trying to rebuild if they are making available their best players. Ant is by himself a great building block and Culver’s defense adds value to him. Admittedly both are project players but they are good for rebuild.

Why is Indiana rebuilding?

It's important to note that they remain in the playoff hunt... despite 20 ppg scorer TJ Warren only playing 4 games... and then trading Oladipo for a guy who immediately had a mass removed from his kidney.




[Note: Honestly, I don't like it for any of the teams. I think it's hard to win in today's NBA without a dynamic wing. And building around two posts who need to be fed seems like the wrong path for the Wolves. And I don't think Rubio is worth a #15 - #20 draft pick for Boston.]

Pacers are rebuilding because they just put all their best players on the trade market. They aren’t well built to beat super teams and that was before losing Oladipo (Levert is good, but he isn’t Oladipo before the injury.) They would be better off selling off some of their pieces going younger and in 2 or 3 years using their great development system to compete for real.

Boston wants to move on from Kemba, having Ricky frees them up to do it. Even if they don’t Kemba has knee issues and performance issues because of the knee. Having Ricky for the playoffs if Kemba goes down (or even if he doesn’t) is huge value for them. Pritchard is a guy the might not want to give up, but with Kemba and Rubio he won’t see minutes anyway. He is a project player whose shooting is nice but can go cold and disappear. Boston can also still pursue Gordon with a young player instead of that pick or offering future picks. They have the room with the trade exemption.

The wolves get the PF/C they desperately need to pair with Towns. Sabonis is a great rebounder, solid defender, and has a team friendly contract. KAT could dish to him all day long when they double and Sabonis would feast. Meanwhile we can always draft a dynamic wing if we keep our pick. If not, we still have plenty of shooting and some solid young pieces like MCD and Reid who will improve over time.

For Indiana:
1. Indiana hasn't tanked in 30+ years.
2. They're coming off a 45 - 28 season... when as noted... two key injuries have hurt the record.
3. None of the key players are even 30 years old yet.
4. Just seems like an odd time for the Pacers to take a 180-turn from what they've always done. They're sorta like Utah East... where being respectable year-in/year-out has been the model, until the time is right to strike... because they know they can't realistically compete every year with the big boys.
5. So... are we sure they wouldn't be interested in upgrading as much as rebuilding?
???

For Boston:
1. Rubio probably isn't worth a 1st rd pick in the draft. And we have recent trade history to show us this. But not only that... you want Boston to give up the guy they just drafted in the 1st rd along with that other 1st rd pick. So Boston would be giving up TWO 1st rd picks. ???

For Minnesota:
1. They can always draft a dynamic wing if the pick is kept (40% chance). Whew. So that's the secret to finding the dynamic wing the team has never had in 32 years. Sounds easy.
???

Yeah. I stand by my previous take. I think they're all fighting to say no first.

[winforlose]

Why is Indiana rebuilding?

It's important to note that they remain in the playoff hunt... despite 20 ppg scorer TJ Warren only playing 4 games... and then trading Oladipo for a guy who immediately had a mass removed from his kidney.




[Note: Honestly, I don't like it for any of the teams. I think it's hard to win in today's NBA without a dynamic wing. And building around two posts who need to be fed seems like the wrong path for the Wolves. And I don't think Rubio is worth a #15 - #20 draft pick for Boston.]

Pacers are rebuilding because they just put all their best players on the trade market. They aren’t well built to beat super teams and that was before losing Oladipo (Levert is good, but he isn’t Oladipo before the injury.) They would be better off selling off some of their pieces going younger and in 2 or 3 years using their great development system to compete for real.

Boston wants to move on from Kemba, having Ricky frees them up to do it. Even if they don’t Kemba has knee issues and performance issues because of the knee. Having Ricky for the playoffs if Kemba goes down (or even if he doesn’t) is huge value for them. Pritchard is a guy the might not want to give up, but with Kemba and Rubio he won’t see minutes anyway. He is a project player whose shooting is nice but can go cold and disappear. Boston can also still pursue Gordon with a young player instead of that pick or offering future picks. They have the room with the trade exemption.

The wolves get the PF/C they desperately need to pair with Towns. Sabonis is a great rebounder, solid defender, and has a team friendly contract. KAT could dish to him all day long when they double and Sabonis would feast. Meanwhile we can always draft a dynamic wing if we keep our pick. If not, we still have plenty of shooting and some solid young pieces like MCD and Reid who will improve over time.

For Indiana:
1. Indiana hasn't tanked in 30+ years.
2. They're coming off a 45 - 28 season... when as noted... two key injuries have hurt the record.
3. None of the key players are even 30 years old yet.
4. Just seems like an odd time for the Pacers to take a 180-turn from what they've always done. They're sorta like Utah East... where being respectable year-in/year-out has been the model, until the time is right to strike... because they know they can't realistically compete every year with the big boys.
5. So... are we sure they wouldn't be interested in upgrading as much as rebuilding?
???

For Boston:
1. Rubio probably isn't worth a 1st rd pick in the draft. And we have recent trade history to show us this. But not only that... you want Boston to give up the guy they just drafted in the 1st rd along with that other 1st rd pick. So Boston would be giving up TWO 1st rd picks. ???

For Minnesota:
1. They can always draft a dynamic wing if the pick is kept (40% chance).
???

Yeah. I stand by my previous take. I think they're all fighting to say no first.

I disagree on most of your takes. Pacers seem to going hardcore seller. I don’t know why they are, but my best guess is they don’t think they can beat the Nets or Bucks, or 76ers in a playoff series. Trading while their players have high value and getting back young guys with upside is perfect for them.

Boston would be log jammed at PG. Pritchard cannot develop as 3rd string behind Kemba and Ricky. You could say well why don’t they send him elsewhere and see if they can get something for him, the answer is he is raw potential with a questionable record. If they would rather give us a different young player I would be fine with that, but Ricky is much more valuable to them specifically then you realize.

We don’t need the dynamic wing to make the playoffs next season (and hoepfully we get one anyway,) because we have KAT to play inside outside with and dynamic shooters to knock it down when Beasley and Dlo are healthy. Sabonis fixes our rebounding and interior defense problems. We sign a vet center (thinking Whiteside) to play backup C and move Reid to the PF and we are suddenly solid.

Indiana gets the player of the future in Ant. Boston gets the player who unlocks a lot of doors in Ricky, and we get the fix to our problems in Sabonis.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Pacers are rebuilding because they just put all their best players on the trade market. They aren’t well built to beat super teams and that was before losing Oladipo (Levert is good, but he isn’t Oladipo before the injury.) They would be better off selling off some of their pieces going younger and in 2 or 3 years using their great development system to compete for real.

Boston wants to move on from Kemba, having Ricky frees them up to do it. Even if they don’t Kemba has knee issues and performance issues because of the knee. Having Ricky for the playoffs if Kemba goes down (or even if he doesn’t) is huge value for them. Pritchard is a guy the might not want to give up, but with Kemba and Rubio he won’t see minutes anyway. He is a project player whose shooting is nice but can go cold and disappear. Boston can also still pursue Gordon with a young player instead of that pick or offering future picks. They have the room with the trade exemption.

The wolves get the PF/C they desperately need to pair with Towns. Sabonis is a great rebounder, solid defender, and has a team friendly contract. KAT could dish to him all day long when they double and Sabonis would feast. Meanwhile we can always draft a dynamic wing if we keep our pick. If not, we still have plenty of shooting and some solid young pieces like MCD and Reid who will improve over time.

For Indiana:
1. Indiana hasn't tanked in 30+ years.
2. They're coming off a 45 - 28 season... when as noted... two key injuries have hurt the record.
3. None of the key players are even 30 years old yet.
4. Just seems like an odd time for the Pacers to take a 180-turn from what they've always done. They're sorta like Utah East... where being respectable year-in/year-out has been the model, until the time is right to strike... because they know they can't realistically compete every year with the big boys.
5. So... are we sure they wouldn't be interested in upgrading as much as rebuilding?
???

For Boston:
1. Rubio probably isn't worth a 1st rd pick in the draft. And we have recent trade history to show us this. But not only that... you want Boston to give up the guy they just drafted in the 1st rd along with that other 1st rd pick. So Boston would be giving up TWO 1st rd picks. ???

For Minnesota:
1. They can always draft a dynamic wing if the pick is kept (40% chance).
???

Yeah. I stand by my previous take. I think they're all fighting to say no first.

I disagree on most of your takes. Pacers seem to going hardcore seller. I don’t know why they are, but my best guess is they don’t think they can beat the Nets or Bucks, or 76ers in a playoff series. Trading while their players have high value and getting back young guys with upside is perfect for them.

Boston would be log jammed at PG. Pritchard cannot develop as 3rd string behind Kemba and Ricky. You could say well why don’t they send him elsewhere and see if they can get something for him, the answer is he is raw potential with a questionable record. If they would rather give us a different young player I would be fine with that, but Ricky is much more valuable to them specifically then you realize.

We don’t need the dynamic wing to make the playoffs next season (and hoepfully we get one anyway,) because we have KAT to play inside outside with and dynamic shooters to knock it down when Beasley and Dlo are healthy. Sabonis fixes our rebounding and interior defense problems. We sign a vet center (thinking Whiteside) to play backup C and move Reid to the PF and we are suddenly solid.

Indiana gets the player of the future in Ant. Boston gets the player who unlocks a lot of doors in Ricky, and we get the fix to our problems in Sabonis.

Yeah. Probably best if we just stop it here and agree to disagree... vehemently.

[Baseline81]

It's rather comical how winforlose struggles to see why others do not agree with this thoughts. He bounces between Canis Hoopus and here receiving roughly the same responses.

[winforlose]

It's rather comical how winforlose struggles to see why others do not agree with this thoughts. He bounces between Canis Hoopus and here receiving roughly the same responses.

I share my ideas on both hoping to get more feedback. I also change the pitch slightly. On Canis I talk about taking only the pick or finding a team who wants Ricky badly enough to offer a late first and minor prospect (maybe a second round pick or UDFA with some decent production.)

[shrink]

I listened to Zach Lowe’s pod, and he came up with the same trade I did ten days ago

Beverley, PPatterson, Oturu, 2 2nds for Rubio.

Clippers want ball handling and passing, and the two 2nds are added because of Rubio’s continued good play. I sent Beverley and Patterson on to BOS, and BOS assets and the 2nds to get Aaron Gordon.

I think that’s great value for MIN. I don’t know about a Rubio trade now though, since Ricky has become Ant’s Emotional Support Animal, just like we got DLo for KAT.

[IceManBK1]

Gordon is hot commodity... Don't think we gonna outbid other teams.. Our best trade asset is Beasley. Maybe atl willing to take Beasley+Culver for Collins?

[Norseman79]

Fact is bidding for Gordon is stupid. People aren't listening. He wants to go to a big market. Seems like he is all but begging an LA or NY team to go after him.

At this point, better off making a few minor moves to shuffle logjams and try to give guys a chance to actually play together. Unless someone blows you away with an offer, you might as well see what you have going into the offseason.

[Neeva]

See what mcdaniels does starting at PF rest of the season. Wait for draft lottery then make moves on draft night.

[jpatrick]

I’m of the mindset we’re a bad team. It’s not improving anytime soon, so to take on someone like Gordon or Powell, who could leave after this or next offseason, seems an unwise use of assets. This is going to take awhile to right the ship so we need pieces that will be here awhile.

Only real moves I’d make our around the edges: Ricky, Juancho, Culver, Davis, Layman, etc. I don’t see any big deals happening.