Hennigan got 5 years, Weltman is on year 4

[The Effect]

Too bad Henni set such a low standard, he never made Playoffs.

I would take Hennigan back in a heartbeat. Atleast this guy made decisions and acted upon them. He drafted very well most years, he made some bold decisions, which sure some backfired, but you cant question his goal was to build a winner. Weltman has been here 4 years and i still dont really understand what he wants from this team other than long arms.

I have no doubt that if Henny wasnt forced by management to fast-forward the rebuild, this team would be a contender
He had a knack for finding talent. Hell look at the thunder right now, they have found plenty of under the radar guys since hes been there, especially getting SGA as part of the PG trade, drafting high upside guys every year, finding dort, drafting poku

If he had better luck in the draft\lotto, he would probably still be the GM

[zaymon]

Ivan Rabb for a 2nd round pick

Anzejs Pasecniks for a 1st rounder and a future 2nd

Elfrid Payton for a 2nd round pick

Jarred Vanderbilt for Justin Jackson & 2nd rounder

Biz Biyombo + 2nd rounder for Tim Mozgrov & Jerian Grant

Rodney Purvis for Dakari Johnson + cash

Jonathan Simmons + pick that turned into Maxey for Markelle Fultz

Talen Horton-Tucker for 2nd rounder + cash

2nd rounder for James Ennis

2nd rounder for 2 future 2nd rounders

No, trades don't happen under Weltman and Hammond. This is 4 years worth of trades.

Well they improved bottom dweller to average team using mostly 2nd rounders and waiver wire pickups. I dont know how its not impressive. I am very interested what will they do spending real assets to improve this roster. We still have all our picks going forward, and some trade assets like AG.

Wow


They didnt improve ANYTHING with any 2nd rounders or waiver wire pickups. They simply let Hennigans guys develop to the point that they were a "lucky to be here" 8th seed 2 years in a row. Their draft picks since being here have done little-to-nothing to help this team improve

isaac is an injury waiting to happen who has played less than the teams games in 4 years
bamba sucks and cant even get PT over fellow scrub Birch
okeke has played 26 games for the team
Fultz basically played 1 season for us

Add in that they have missed on missed on all 2nd rounders, and you can actually make the argument that the most useful player weham have brough in is f***ing Michael Carter williams

Sorry but to give these guys credit for anything "impressive" would be comical

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

[Skin]

Too bad Henni set such a low standard, he never made Playoffs.

I would take Hennigan back in a heartbeat. Atleast this guy made decisions and acted upon them. He drafted very well most years, he made some bold decisions, which sure some backfired, but you cant question his goal was to build a winner. Weltman has been here 4 years and i still dont really understand what he wants from this team other than long arms.

I have no doubt that if Henny wasnt forced by management to fast-forward the rebuild, this team would be a contender
He had a knack for finding talent. Hell look at the thunder right now, they have found plenty of under the radar guys since hes been there, especially getting SGA as part of the PG trade, drafting high upside guys every year, finding dort, drafting poku

If he had better luck in the draft\lotto, he would probably still be the GM

I'm totally with you there. Before the pressure to WIN NOW things were going really smooth for the most part. He had an eye for talent. He made great trades. He had the right coach who was willing to put development over winning and then Martins BENT HIM OVER. Forced a whole slew of rash decisions and was forced to take on Skiles. We're still reeling from that today.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Well they improved bottom dweller to average team using mostly 2nd rounders and waiver wire pickups. I dont know how its not impressive. I am very interested what will they do spending real assets to improve this roster. We still have all our picks going forward, and some trade assets like AG.

Wow


They didnt improve ANYTHING with any 2nd rounders or waiver wire pickups. They simply let Hennigans guys develop to the point that they were a "lucky to be here" 8th seed 2 years in a row. Their draft picks since being here have done little-to-nothing to help this team improve

isaac is an injury waiting to happen who has played less than the teams games in 4 years
bamba sucks and cant even get PT over fellow scrub Birch
okeke has played 26 games for the team
Fultz basically played 1 season for us

Add in that they have missed on missed on all 2nd rounders, and you can actually make the argument that the most useful player weham have brough in is f***ing Michael Carter williams

Sorry but to give these guys credit for anything "impressive" would be comical

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

The audacity to call someone ignorant because they’re not sucking off this FO. Take a lap mate.

We fell face first into the playoffs not because this FO did something. It’s because the East was garbage and we had 3 dudes have career years in 2019. DJ Fournier & Vuc.

This past year pretty much the same thing, we made a push while Washington and others tanked hard. 33-40 as an 8th seed is something to be proud of.

[The Effect]

Well they improved bottom dweller to average team using mostly 2nd rounders and waiver wire pickups. I dont know how its not impressive. I am very interested what will they do spending real assets to improve this roster. We still have all our picks going forward, and some trade assets like AG.

Wow


They didnt improve ANYTHING with any 2nd rounders or waiver wire pickups. They simply let Hennigans guys develop to the point that they were a "lucky to be here" 8th seed 2 years in a row. Their draft picks since being here have done little-to-nothing to help this team improve

isaac is an injury waiting to happen who has played less than the teams games in 4 years
bamba sucks and cant even get PT over fellow scrub Birch
okeke has played 26 games for the team
Fultz basically played 1 season for us

Add in that they have missed on missed on all 2nd rounders, and you can actually make the argument that the most useful player weham have brough in is f***ing Michael Carter williams

Sorry but to give these guys credit for anything "impressive" would be comical

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

Ohh.....I'm so sorry.....
Can you tell me more about these 2nd rounders who helped us make the playoffs?

[ogmagicfan]

I would take Hennigan back in a heartbeat. Atleast this guy made decisions and acted upon them. He drafted very well most years, he made some bold decisions, which sure some backfired, but you cant question his goal was to build a winner. Weltman has been here 4 years and i still dont really understand what he wants from this team other than long arms.

I have no doubt that if Henny wasnt forced by management to fast-forward the rebuild, this team would be a contender
He had a knack for finding talent. Hell look at the thunder right now, they have found plenty of under the radar guys since hes been there, especially getting SGA as part of the PG trade, drafting high upside guys every year, finding dort, drafting poku

If he had better luck in the draft\lotto, he would probably still be the GM

I'm totally with you there. Before the pressure to WIN NOW things were going really smooth for the most part. He had an eye for talent. He made great trades. He had the right coach who was willing to put development over winning and then Martins BENT HIM OVER. Forced a whole slew of rash decisions and was forced to take on Skiles. We're still reeling from that today.

Trading Tobias for Jennings & Illysova and the trading Oladipo & the pick of Sabonis for Ibaka was malpractice to the highest degree.

Both trades were known to be stupid from the jump for the Magic, and the only positive was freeing up PT for Fournier & AG who were trying to move both right now. Lets hope there isnt a repeat of the same this time around.

[Dub_Sax]

I have no doubt that if Henny wasnt forced by management to fast-forward the rebuild, this team would be a contender
He had a knack for finding talent. Hell look at the thunder right now, they have found plenty of under the radar guys since hes been there, especially getting SGA as part of the PG trade, drafting high upside guys every year, finding dort, drafting poku

If he had better luck in the draft\lotto, he would probably still be the GM

I'm totally with you there. Before the pressure to WIN NOW things were going really smooth for the most part. He had an eye for talent. He made great trades. He had the right coach who was willing to put development over winning and then Martins BENT HIM OVER. Forced a whole slew of rash decisions and was forced to take on Skiles. We're still reeling from that today.

Trading Tobias for Jennings & Illysova and the trading Oladipo & the pick of Sabonis for Ibaka was malpractice to the highest degree.

Both trades were known to be stupid from the jump for the Magic, and the only positive was freeing up PT for Fournier & AG who were trying to move both right now. Lets hope there isnt a repeat of the same this time around.

And I recall SVG, who was running the Pistons at the time, saying he was surprised the Magic didn't even ASK for any picks as part of the Tobias trade package.

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[Skin]

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

For me, I'm not 100% upset with WeHam. They brought us Markelle in a steal of a trade. Their draft picks have been admirable for the most part.

I think their main problem was hiring a HC who prioritizes winning over development and uses that reason to blanket all other faults. That has been our #1 problem. He'll play young players if they help his future resume look good and that's the bottom line. He wants to hang his hat on winning BUT as a team, we just haven't had a fair chance to rebuild correctly. We're trying to run before we can walk.

We've been 1 or 2 picks away from getting franchise changing players in the draft because of a handful of meaningless wins every single year. We've made A LOT of good, but not great players get BUTT RICH walking through our doors and many have left or will leave laughing their asses off while they walk out the door. For what? Empty 1st round playoff exits? This mentality of overvaluing mediocre players has been the main reason why we have been a mediocre team.

For the little good they have done, WeHam has to do more... way more and that needs to happen this week.

[Skin]

I have no doubt that if Henny wasnt forced by management to fast-forward the rebuild, this team would be a contender
He had a knack for finding talent. Hell look at the thunder right now, they have found plenty of under the radar guys since hes been there, especially getting SGA as part of the PG trade, drafting high upside guys every year, finding dort, drafting poku

If he had better luck in the draft\lotto, he would probably still be the GM

I'm totally with you there. Before the pressure to WIN NOW things were going really smooth for the most part. He had an eye for talent. He made great trades. He had the right coach who was willing to put development over winning and then Martins BENT HIM OVER. Forced a whole slew of rash decisions and was forced to take on Skiles. We're still reeling from that today.

Trading Tobias for Jennings & Illysova and the trading Oladipo & the pick of Sabonis for Ibaka was malpractice to the highest degree.

Both trades were known to be stupid from the jump for the Magic, and the only positive was freeing up PT for Fournier & AG who were trying to move both right now. Lets hope there isnt a repeat of the same this time around.

Terrible trades made at EXACTLY the point in time we're talking about which is AFTER Henny got pressured. Once Skiles was brought on board, the house of cards fell to the ground. He wanted his former player in Jennings... Ibaka was another piece brought in with the win now mentality.

Before that he acquired Vuc, Fournier, and Tobias.

[The Effect]

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

For me, I'm not 100% upset with WeHam. They brought us Markelle in a steal of a trade. Their draft picks have been admirable for the most part.

I think their main problem was hiring a HC who prioritizes winning over development and uses that reason to blanket all other faults. That has been our #1 problem. He'll play young players if they help his future resume look good and that's the bottom line. He wants to hang his hat on winning BUT as a team, we just haven't had a fair chance to rebuild correctly. We're trying to run before we can walk.

We've been 1 or 2 picks away from getting franchise changing players in the draft because of a handful of meaningless wins every single year. We've made A LOT of good, but not great players get BUTT RICH walking through our doors and many have left or will leave laughing their asses off while they walk out the door. For what? Empty 1st round playoff exits? This mentality of overvaluing mediocre players has been the main reason why we have been a mediocre team.

For the little good they have done, WeHam has to do more... way more and that needs to happen this week.

Which of their draft picks have been admirable though?
Isaac, even when healthy (which is never) is still a one-dimensional player. He has no offensive ability, not to create for himself or other and isnt a great shooter. Sure hes an all-star level defender, but hes still only useful on one side of the ball
Bamba is a pretty epic bust at this point
Okeke\cole is still too early to tell

But they have traded away late 1st for future picks, sold a couple top 35 pick, traded away other 2nd rounders and missed on all their 2nd picks that did actually make.

Thats a pretty bad draft history in 4 years

[Skin]

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

For me, I'm not 100% upset with WeHam. They brought us Markelle in a steal of a trade. Their draft picks have been admirable for the most part.

I think their main problem was hiring a HC who prioritizes winning over development and uses that reason to blanket all other faults. That has been our #1 problem. He'll play young players if they help his future resume look good and that's the bottom line. He wants to hang his hat on winning BUT as a team, we just haven't had a fair chance to rebuild correctly. We're trying to run before we can walk.

We've been 1 or 2 picks away from getting franchise changing players in the draft because of a handful of meaningless wins every single year. We've made A LOT of good, but not great players get BUTT RICH walking through our doors and many have left or will leave laughing their asses off while they walk out the door. For what? Empty 1st round playoff exits? This mentality of overvaluing mediocre players has been the main reason why we have been a mediocre team.

For the little good they have done, WeHam has to do more... way more and that needs to happen this week.

Which of their draft picks have been admirable though?
Isaac, even when healthy (which is never) is still a one-dimensional player. He has no offensive ability, not to create for himself or other and isnt a great shooter. Sure hes an all-star level defender, but hes still only useful on one side of the ball
Bamba is a pretty epic bust at this point
Okeke\cole is still too early to tell

But they have traded away late 1st for future picks, sold a couple top 35 pick, traded away other 2nd rounders and missed on all their 2nd picks that did actually make.

Thats a pretty bad draft history in 4 years

You know what... I'm not even gonna argue hard with that. A monkey could've drafted Isaac. They failed to move up for Young or Doncic and ended up with Bamba (who I like, but came into a no-win situation). I supported the Chuma pick whole heartedly and still think for a guy picked 16 that he can carve a nice role here. It's just taking time. As for Cole... I wanted WeHam to be more aggressive, but Cole actually performed quite well compared to how other rookies selected ahead of him are doing this year... so I can't fairly bash him yet.

[shadrock]

I have no doubt that if Henny wasnt forced by management to fast-forward the rebuild, this team would be a contender
He had a knack for finding talent. Hell look at the thunder right now, they have found plenty of under the radar guys since hes been there, especially getting SGA as part of the PG trade, drafting high upside guys every year, finding dort, drafting poku

If he had better luck in the draft\lotto, he would probably still be the GM

I'm totally with you there. Before the pressure to WIN NOW things were going really smooth for the most part. He had an eye for talent. He made great trades. He had the right coach who was willing to put development over winning and then Martins BENT HIM OVER. Forced a whole slew of rash decisions and was forced to take on Skiles. We're still reeling from that today.

Trading Tobias for Jennings & Illysova and the trading Oladipo & the pick of Sabonis for Ibaka was malpractice to the highest degree.

Both trades were known to be stupid from the jump for the Magic, and the only positive was freeing up PT for Fournier & AG who were trying to move both right now. Lets hope there isnt a repeat of the same this time around.

Both also seems nothing like Hennigan moves and EVERYTHING like Alex Martins trying to force more people to buy season tickets. Hennigan was all about that organic approach, and these were both transplant win now moves from a PR driven ownership.

[zaymon]

Wow


They didnt improve ANYTHING with any 2nd rounders or waiver wire pickups. They simply let Hennigans guys develop to the point that they were a "lucky to be here" 8th seed 2 years in a row. Their draft picks since being here have done little-to-nothing to help this team improve

isaac is an injury waiting to happen who has played less than the teams games in 4 years
bamba sucks and cant even get PT over fellow scrub Birch
okeke has played 26 games for the team
Fultz basically played 1 season for us

Add in that they have missed on missed on all 2nd rounders, and you can actually make the argument that the most useful player weham have brough in is f***ing Michael Carter williams

Sorry but to give these guys credit for anything "impressive" would be comical

I know that you dont like our front office but you are being ignorant. I never mentioned contender level, i wrote average. Last year we made playoffs with Fultz, MCW, Ennis and Birch. Thats almost half of our rotation which we aquired by spending almost zero assets. Some teams cant make playoffs while spending future first round picks and overpaying veterans. We did nothing of that.
You thinking thats funny is so much facepalm. You even mentioned our first round picks while i specifically said second round picks and waiver wire pickups. You propably was so eager to make fun of me that you forgot how to read halfway.... sad.

Ohh.....I'm so sorry.....
Can you tell me more about these 2nd rounders who helped us make the playoffs?

I think you misunderstood me. I never wrote drafting 2nd rounders, i wrote using srp and waiver wire.
Being average is not impressive but becoming average using almost no assets could be named impressive.
Two years ago we used center playing abroad (Birch) and out of the league guard (MCW) to make successful playoff push above teams like Miami and Charlotte.
Last year we used late frp and second round pick to get starting point guard (Fultz) and late protected srp to get Ennis who was our starting small forward. Thats two starters on playoff team using almost no assets.
Its impressive for me but it doesnt need to be impressive for you. Making fun of someone's opinions when they are mostly subjective is very hard to justify. I hope you will proceed with more understanding.