Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested

[tdotrep2]

Nunn and Duncan really do nothing for us. It really has to be Herro. They have nothing else other than Achiuwa but him alone isn't enough.

whatever figure is on nunn and duncan's next contract i expect them to be either overpaid or just net neutral and not really worth the cap space.

And here's Miami trying to sell them to us like their assets when in reality they're tryna run away from needing to pay them.

[EH15]

If Herro isn't an all star by year 5 you can delete my account.

That's how high I am on him. Some of you need evaluate on the skills and the ability to develop them.

[LarSiN]

Kyle + Norm is too much for Herro imo. Supposedly there are 12 teams in on Norm, I'm not giving him to MIA as a throw in. The only assets they have are Achiuwa+Herro. We don't need Robinson+Nunn+Dragic (or Olynyk frankly). If the best thing we get for KL is Achiuwa ... that's not enough. Adding Powell just to get Herro is too much.

[tdotrep2]

If Herro isn't an all star by year 5 you can delete my account.

That's how high I am on him. Some of you need evaluate on the skills and the ability to develop them.

he has one of the best packages in the league, hes a guy i can say with confidence i dont mind being the go to guy when we need a bucket in crunch time

[Rob Diaz]

You don’t win championships building around players like Tyler Herro in the modern NBA, this isn’t 1985. Don’t be fooled by a run during a glorified scrimmage, which is essentially what the bubble was.

If that’s all Masai can get for Lowry, then that’s fine, it’s better than getting nothing in return(better than anything Philly can offer, as well). But his ceiling is probably Lou Williams.

[tdotrep2]

Kyle + Norm is too much for Herro imo. Supposedly there are 12 teams in on Norm, I'm not giving him to MIA as a throw in. The only assets they have are Achiuwa+Herro. We don't need Robinson+Nunn+Dragic (or Olynyk frankly). If the best thing we get for KL is Achiuwa ... that's not enough. Adding Powell just to get Herro is too much.

i would guess the plan would be to make it more than a 2 team trade, where we split the assets for norm. but obviously im not in any of these offices

[Skeezo]

Miami either needs to give up Herro, or they need to find a third team to take on Dragic/Olynk for the required picks and prospects. Robinson doesn't move the needle for me in the slightest.

There is pressure on every party to get a deal done... Lowry knows the value of his Bird Rights... He can't go to any of the teams he wants to as a free agents and get paid, so he may need to lower his asking price to maintain interest. Miami wants to take advantage of Butler's years and Lowry is perfect Heat player. Toronto knows they can't let Lowry walk for nothing.

No Hero or third team to supplement the draft pick requirement, then you have to pivot to 76ers.

[LarSiN]

Yeah, 3 team is the only way (for a PHI or MIA deal). Likely DAL or MIN

[tdotrep2]

You don’t win championships building around players like Tyler Herro in the modern NBA, this isn’t 1985. Don’t be fooled by a run during a glorified scrimmage, which is essentially what the bubble was.

If that’s all Masai can get for Lowry, then that’s fine, it’s better than getting nothing in return. But his ceiling is probably Lou Williams.

how can you say the bubble was a glorified scrimmage? was the defense not elite when we played boston? who in turn herro cooked. competition was stupid high in the bubble, and he was doing it before the bubble as well.

like seriously i think some people base opinions solely on feel for what they read and the brief things they see, if you watch how this guys plays its not hard to see hes got a ridiculous amount of game.

[OAKLEY_2]

If Lowry won't budge then Raps offer him 3-60 third year team option. Anyone hate two more years of Kyle?

I think that number caps our ceiling as a basketball team but I would not be upset about Kyle closing his career in front of a Toronto home crowd.

Headline: Raps extend Kyle Lowry. Norm next... Draft deadline shambles.

[dagger]

If Lowry won't budge then Raps offer him 3-60 third year team option. Anyone hate two more years of Kyle?

I think that number caps our ceiling as a basketball team but I would not be upset about Kyle closing his career in front of a Toronto home crowd.

Headline: Raps extend Kyle Lowry. Norm next... Draft deadline shambles.

Kyle can't be extended. Norm could, but the rules would limit him to well below his likely market.

[EH15]

If Herro isn't an all star by year 5 you can delete my account.

That's how high I am on him. Some of you need evaluate on the skills and the ability to develop them.

he has one of the best packages in the league, hes a guy i can say with confidence i dont mind being the go to guy when we need a bucket in crunch time

Not even that, it's the precocious nature of his game.

Off the dribble shooting
Ability to create his own shot
Plus level ball handling
3 level scorer potential
Strong rebounder for an undersized (strength wise) guard with middling athleticism
Good playmaking base, more developed than other 2 guards in his development curve
Projects to be an elite shooter. 94% FT in college, 85% in the pros

- negative defender

I don't know if he can reach the heights of Booker, but I'm open to being surprised.

Everything I've seen of him this year indicates he's just in a sophomore slump, like what Tatum went through. Speaking of Tatum, this board use to underrate the likes of Tatum and Bam as recently as last year (and even this year!). Some thought Siakam was/is better.

If anything, this board underrates players on other teams (anecdotally our Eastern conference rivals) more then they overrate our own.

[Rob Diaz]

You don’t win championships building around players like Tyler Herro in the modern NBA, this isn’t 1985. Don’t be fooled by a run during a glorified scrimmage, which is essentially what the bubble was.

If that’s all Masai can get for Lowry, then that’s fine, it’s better than getting nothing in return. But his ceiling is probably Lou Williams.

how can you say the bubble was a glorified scrimmage? was the defense not elite when we played boston? who in turn herro cooked. competition was stupid high in the bubble, and he was doing it before the bubble as well.

like seriously i think some people base opinions solely on feel for what they read and the brief things they see, if you watch how this guys plays its not hard to see hes got a ridiculous amount of game.

Even if you think the bubble was a true NBA playoffs environment(which I don’t), Herro’s playoff run wasn’t even anything special lol. Look at his advanced metrics, on/off numbers, average efficiency, mediocre defense.

Look at his play this season now that teams have adjusted to him. He looks like another Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford volume chucker who can get hot for periods of time. I hope it was false that Miami didn’t want to include him in a Harden deal, that’s just absurd.

[OAKLEY_2]

The Toronto Raptors are hurtling toward a roster transformation at Thursday’s NBA trade deadline, engaging in talks on multiple fronts centered on separate deals for six-time All-Star guard Kyle Lowry and Norman Powell, sources told ESPN.
12 hours ago – via Adrian Wojnarowski @ ESPN

This is the only thing worth paying attention to. Woj before a night's sleep is better than 3 Grange's in real time.

[BramptonYute]

Herro is a pipe dream.

I would look to flip Robinson in a three team deal.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think that number caps our ceiling as a basketball team but I would not be upset about Kyle closing his career in front of a Toronto home crowd.

Headline: Raps extend Kyle Lowry. Norm next... Draft deadline shambles.

Kyle can't be extended. Norm could, but the rules would limit him to well below his likely market.

Right. I know you have seen a lot of these things play out. What is your take Dagger? I think Lowry is 50-50 gone and Norm is as good as gone. Masai and Bobby have to actually like players coming back from KL's preferred destination so that may not be doable. Picks of any description for Norm should be a slam dunk. Probably the place to either grab a big and a pick or do that Dinwiddie thing for those bird rights and some future picks. Brooklyn has their 28th pick and probably is not allowed to trade it. They have both picks next year kaching. Dinwiddie, next years picks - done.

[Rapsfan07]

Kyle + Norm is too much for Herro imo. Supposedly there are 12 teams in on Norm, I'm not giving him to MIA as a throw in. The only assets they have are Achiuwa+Herro. We don't need Robinson+Nunn+Dragic (or Olynyk frankly). If the best thing we get for KL is Achiuwa ... that's not enough. Adding Powell just to get Herro is too much.

I mean yeah, for sure. If all Miami wants to give up for Lowry is precious, we'd be better off sending him to Philly. No doubt about that.

I'll only send Powell to MIA in addition to Lowry if at LEAST Herro AND Precious are headed the other way. I'd also insist on Olynyk but they can choose between Iggy or Dragic.

[OAKLEY_2]

Herro is a pipe dream.

I would look to flip Robinson in a three team deal.

Precious, Nunn, Kelly and Ariza makes most sense and a FRP whenever Miami can throw one. Herro we will never get. It is Riley we are talking about.

[Rapsfan07]

Herro is a pipe dream.

I would look to flip Robinson in a three team deal.

I don't think so. I think they'll give Herro if we stick to our guns man.

Don't want Robinson. There actually isn't as big a market for him as it looks and if we're going to pay someone $20M per this offseason, we'd be much better off giving that money to Norm.

[Sandman88]

You don’t win championships building around players like Tyler Herro in the modern NBA, this isn’t 1985. Don’t be fooled by a run during a glorified scrimmage, which is essentially what the bubble was.

If that’s all Masai can get for Lowry, then that’s fine, it’s better than getting nothing in return. But his ceiling is probably Lou Williams.

how can you say the bubble was a glorified scrimmage? was the defense not elite when we played boston? who in turn herro cooked. competition was stupid high in the bubble, and he was doing it before the bubble as well.

like seriously i think some people base opinions solely on feel for what they read and the brief things they see, if you watch how this guys plays its not hard to see hes got a ridiculous amount of game.

Even if you think the bubble was a true NBA playoffs environment(which I don’t), Herro’s playoff run wasn’t even anything special lol. Look at his advanced metrics, on/off numbers, average efficiency, mediocre defense.

Look at his play this season now that teams have adjusted to him. He looks like another Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford volume chucker who can get hot for periods of time. I hope it was false that Miami didn’t want to include him in a Harden deal, that’s just absurd.

He was 19 . Let that sink in