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[Texas Chuck]

Woj saying the Lakers are another team to watch for Lowry....don't see it but sure.

Edit: Trying not to laugh b/c now saying Gordon having 2nd thoughts about trade demands.

I couldn't believe that Gordon bit. Guy waits years past the expiration date to make a loud trade demand right before the deadline and... now he's not so sure? Time for a new agent I think.

This reads of his agent wants to keep working with Orlando in the future so walking this back a little in hopes of teams upping their offers. I'm assuming his trade demand didn't help the offers they were getting.

[Van_Trump]

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[mademan]

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dont really see how they get the contracts to work and send value on top of it

Seems to me like Toronto wants to use the Lakers to get Miami/Philly up pony up more value. After all, if the Lakers are involved...

I think so, but i also got a man crush on THT and like him as a prospect as much as anyone else discussed from Philly/Miami. If they added their 2027 pick unprotected and flipped their 3 contracts (Schroeder/KCP/Harrell) for some value (wouldnt need to be much, imo), i wouldnt be offended at the offer at all

[Texas Chuck]

Okay Woj is definitely paying whatever debt he owes Stone in Houston on this whole Dipo matter.

[zimpy27]

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dont really see how they get the contracts to work and send value on top of it

It makes sense for the LeBron timeline.

Schroeder wants 20m+ per season. Lakers would much rather pay Lowry that.

Just depends if Toronto like Schroeder, Harrell, Kuzma

These players are all the same age as Siakam/FVV/Powell/Boucher

[mademan]

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dont really see how they get the contracts to work and send value on top of it

It makes sense for the LeBron timeline.

Schroeder wants 20m+ per season. Lakers would much rather pay Lowry that.

Just depends if Toronto like Schroeder, Harrell, Kuzma

These players are all the same age as Siakam/FVV/Powell/Boucher

I mean the value part is definitely THT/Lakers 2027 1st unprotected (or very lightly protected). Kuzma is ridiculously difficult to trade, and the contracts would like come from Schroeder/Harrell/KCP. A 3rd team would need to be involved, Raps would send out a vet or 2 like Bembry or Johnson who could give rotation minutes and the Lakers would need to be certain that Drummond is coming.

It's a lot of moving parts for 1 day

[Scoot McGroot]

Maybe I missed someone already commenting on this but I thought this was lol worthy:



https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/24/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-latest-buzz-intel

That contract is bad somehow? And Atlanta might make a deal for Brogdon if not for his bad contract and his injury history? The Hawks would love to have a player like Brogdon. That seems like pure propaganda.

Especially since he grew up in Atlanta, just down the street from the Ebenezer Baptist Church. But that contract!

So what do you believe from this guy. Half the rumor you like which is Atlanta is interested in Brogdon and ignore his contract take? Or do you just ignore it all since half of it is bad in your opinion?

Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never found Mannix to be great in information before hand. He’s broken a few things, but he’s never had anything before it was broken, if that makes sense? Probably include it in the noise, but can’t really point it toward anything of fact until there’s other evidence one way or another.

It’s interesting with Brogdon. Indy writers all pretty much wrote off the Goodwill report about listening to offers on Brogdon, because Indy, amongst most teams in the league, listen through every phone call on every player as due diligence. It wasn’t really reporting anything other than just how the job works day to day in operations under Pritchard/Buchanan and all the other underlings that also reach out to the league. But the only report out there from “another side” is through Mannix here that Atlanta has discussed Brogdon internally, and then separately says Brogdon’s contract and injuries are an issue. And he’s paid pretty fairly, while also only missing 2 games this year, while playing nearly 36 minutes per night. Just seems like it’s part of the noise that doesn’t really have a meaningful direction any way.

[ThatBoyNick]

Okay Woj is definitely paying whatever debt he owes Stone in Houston on this whole Dipo matter.

Don't be hate'n

[Scoot McGroot]

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dont really see how they get the contracts to work and send value on top of it

Seems to me like Toronto wants to use the Lakers to get Miami/Philly up pony up more value. After all, if the Lakers are involved...

I think so, but i also got a man crush on THT and like him as a prospect as much as anyone else discussed from Philly/Miami. If they added their 2027 pick unprotected and flipped their 3 contracts (Schroeder/KCP/Harrell) for some value (wouldnt need to be much, imo), i wouldnt be offended at the offer at all

Remember, Lakers are $1.5m away from the hard cap at the apron. So, they’ve got to deal enough salary to stay under the hard cap, even after filling the roster spots they will empty in a 3 or 4 for 1.

It’s not insane, but it’s hard, in terms of the sheer machinations. It almost would guarantee that Schroeder/KCP/Harrell would HAVE to go out, merely to work legally.

[Buzzard]

Especially since he grew up in Atlanta, just down the street from the Ebenezer Baptist Church. But that contract!

So what do you believe from this guy. Half the rumor you like which is Atlanta is interested in Brogdon and ignore his contract take? Or do you just ignore it all since half of it is bad in your opinion?

Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never found Mannix to be great in information before hand. He’s broken a few things, but he’s never had anything before it was broken, if that makes sense? Probably include it in the noise, but can’t really point it toward anything of fact until there’s other evidence one way or another.

It’s interesting with Brogdon. Indy writers all pretty much wrote off the Goodwill report about listening to offers on Brogdon, because Indy, amongst most teams in the league, listen through every phone call on every player as due diligence. It wasn’t really reporting anything other than just how the job works day to day in operations under Pritchard/Buchanan and all the other underlings that also reach out to the league. But the only report out there from “another side” is through Mannix here that Atlanta has discussed Brogdon internally, and then separately says Brogdon’s contract and injuries are an issue. And he’s paid pretty fairly, while also only missing 2 games this year, while playing nearly 36 minutes per night. Just seems like it’s part of the noise that doesn’t really have a meaningful direction any way.

I can see Atlanta being interested in Brogdon for the reasons you cited. I also think they want to keep Collins which makes for some tough cap decisions if Brogdon is added.

I think Bogi would have to go if Brogdon is added. That trade kicker is a monster looming in the dark. I think Gallinari has been to important to move.

[Scoot McGroot]

So what do you believe from this guy. Half the rumor you like which is Atlanta is interested in Brogdon and ignore his contract take? Or do you just ignore it all since half of it is bad in your opinion?

It seems to me that it's apparent that ATL is interested in Brogdon but not the price and they'd like to change the direction of any potential negotiation through the press. But it comes off pretty ham-handed and not at all subtle.

I don't see Atlanta and Schlenk as a team that likes press leaks. I actually think Schlenk hates them. Seems like anytime Indy has been involved in trade rumors this season, the leaks are worse than a 1970 Harley Panhead.

The only thing this season has been the potential Boston deal, where everything came from Boston media, though a little bit of friendly reporting from Scott Agness out of Indy (there’s a reason we don’t post anything of his on the Indy front, as it all comes out after deals, and is always in super Indy gold colored glasses). Everything else has been published after anything actually happens. The Oladipo thing wasn’t leaked in any way, and all reporting on issues were well after the deal happened, so leaking wouldn’t do anything.

But, sure.

[Scoot McGroot]

So what do you believe from this guy. Half the rumor you like which is Atlanta is interested in Brogdon and ignore his contract take? Or do you just ignore it all since half of it is bad in your opinion?

Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never found Mannix to be great in information before hand. He’s broken a few things, but he’s never had anything before it was broken, if that makes sense? Probably include it in the noise, but can’t really point it toward anything of fact until there’s other evidence one way or another.

It’s interesting with Brogdon. Indy writers all pretty much wrote off the Goodwill report about listening to offers on Brogdon, because Indy, amongst most teams in the league, listen through every phone call on every player as due diligence. It wasn’t really reporting anything other than just how the job works day to day in operations under Pritchard/Buchanan and all the other underlings that also reach out to the league. But the only report out there from “another side” is through Mannix here that Atlanta has discussed Brogdon internally, and then separately says Brogdon’s contract and injuries are an issue. And he’s paid pretty fairly, while also only missing 2 games this year, while playing nearly 36 minutes per night. Just seems like it’s part of the noise that doesn’t really have a meaningful direction any way.

I can see Atlanta being interested in Brogdon for the reasons you cited. I also think they want to keep Collins which makes for some tough cap decisions if Brogdon is added.

I think Bogi would have to go if Brogdon is added. That trade kicker is a monster looming in the dark. I think Gallinari has been to important to move.

And Brogdon has been wonderful on and off the court for Indy. I don’t see a deal here happening, but

[Texas Chuck]

Good time to point out that despite nobody's favorite team ever leaking stuff, Woj and Shams and others make a living getting information. Guess its all from agents......

Hate to break this to everyone, but while some organizations keep it more sealed than others, your front office talks to the media too.

But every deadline/off-season its the same story --- leaks never come from my team. It's okay. They aren't detailing their specific plans down to every i and t. But Zach Lowe talks about this all the time-- teams call him for information a lot. And they would understand that they have to share some stuff if they hope to get some stuff. This kind of back channel communication isn't a sign your organization sucks for leaking, its a sign they are doing their jobs.

[R-DAWG]

Seems to me like Toronto wants to use the Lakers to get Miami/Philly up pony up more value. After all, if the Lakers are involved...

I think so, but i also got a man crush on THT and like him as a prospect as much as anyone else discussed from Philly/Miami. If they added their 2027 pick unprotected and flipped their 3 contracts (Schroeder/KCP/Harrell) for some value (wouldnt need to be much, imo), i wouldnt be offended at the offer at all

Remember, Lakers are $1.5m away from the hard cap at the apron. So, they’ve got to deal enough salary to stay under the hard cap, even after filling the roster spots they will empty in a 3 or 4 for 1.

It’s not insane, but it’s hard, in terms of the sheer machinations. It almost would guarantee that Schroeder/KCP/Harrell would HAVE to go out, merely to work legally.

Sending out those 3 players and taking back Lowry would open up about $7MM for the Lakers.

They likely can get by without Trez seeing they have AD/Lebron/Morris/Kuzma as guys who can play the 4 or small ball 5, plus they are likely to add Drummond on the buyout market.

Scroeder would be replaced by Lowry in the rotation.

The biggest loss would be KCP, and I'm not sure there is a wing they could get in the $5MM range in a 3-way trade.

But as referenced above, LA would basically need to flip Scroeder for a 1st, KCP for a 1st, and Trez for a mini mid level exception wing to complete the deal. Very complicated.

I could see Toronto interested in KCP as a cost controlled Norman Powell replacement, but hard to see them investing in Schroeder or Trez long term with FVV/Siakiam under contract long term. Could a team like Charlotte pony up value for that combo with LeMelo out and the playoffs in reach?

Philadelphia is a potential Schroeder destination. But is he a better fit than Danny Green?

[Buzzard]

It seems to me that it's apparent that ATL is interested in Brogdon but not the price and they'd like to change the direction of any potential negotiation through the press. But it comes off pretty ham-handed and not at all subtle.

I don't see Atlanta and Schlenk as a team that likes press leaks. I actually think Schlenk hates them. Seems like anytime Indy has been involved in trade rumors this season, the leaks are worse than a 1970 Harley Panhead.

The only thing this season has been the potential Boston deal, where everything came from Boston media, though a little bit of friendly reporting from Scott Agness out of Indy (there’s a reason we don’t post anything of his on the Indy front, as it all comes out after deals, and is always in super Indy gold colored glasses). Everything else has been published after anything actually happens. The Oladipo thing wasn’t leaked in any way, and all reporting on issues were well after the deal happened, so leaking wouldn’t do anything.

But, sure.

Only a few months ago Oladipo started being on the trade market rumor mill. Just because there is a lull after the season stars does not mean he is off the market. It went like this:

Before season started Oladipo on the market rumor mill.
Season started not many rumors.
Bad season market open again.

I don't think either team or player were 100% sold on each other; but it looks like once the season started Indy wanted to give it a whirl.

[K_chile22]

Okay Woj is definitely paying whatever debt he owes Stone in Houston on this whole Dipo matter.

I think the Rockets will absolutely (technically) get a FRP at this point, but it may be so protected that it's actually two seconds disguised as a first, but I gotta think stone has something resembling these leaks to put it out there that strongly, otherwise from a PR standpoint it would be quite the rough look

[Smirk]

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I feel like Bledsoe isn't as bad as this.

I assure you he is. He has been GODAWFUL. Unplayable bad.

I still would prefer to see if the asking price to take him goes down this summer, though.

[Buzzard]

Good time to point out that despite nobody's favorite team ever leaking stuff, Woj and Shams and others make a living getting information. Guess its all from agents......

Hate to break this to everyone, but while some organizations keep it more sealed than others, your front office talks to the media too.

Agents are probably at least 50% of it. Good point on that. Totally forgot about their involvement. Schlenk shows up on a weekly radio show constantly on the Hawks. Anyone that follows the Hawks knows he talks to both beat reporters almost weekly as well.

[Texas Chuck]

Okay Woj is definitely paying whatever debt he owes Stone in Houston on this whole Dipo matter.

I think the Rockets will absolutely (technically) get a FRP at this point, but it may be so protected that it's actually two seconds disguised as a first, but I gotta think stone has something resembling these leaks to put it out there that strongly, otherwise from a PR standpoint it would be quite the rough look

A mid first feels different from a fake first. If he has something real, my guess is its something like Bledsoe/1st to Houston, Dipo to team X. expirings/something less than mid 1st to New Orleans. Where a lot of the pick value is coming from taking on Bledsoe's deal next year.

Or maybe teams really believe in Dipo more than me. I know jayjaysee still really likes him. But he's not been really good in a couple of years now. And his contract demands aren't small with that extension rejected either. IDK.

[tiderulz]

Woj saying the Lakers are another team to watch for Lowry....don't see it but sure.

Edit: Trying not to laugh b/c now saying Gordon having 2nd thoughts about trade demands.

I couldn't believe that Gordon bit. Guy waits years past the expiration date to make a loud trade demand right before the deadline and... now he's not so sure? Time for a new agent I think.

This reads of his agent wants to keep working with Orlando in the future so walking this back a little in hopes of teams upping their offers. I'm assuming his trade demand didn't help the offers they were getting.

maybe. but maybe it helps force our lazy front office to finally making a move on re-shaping the roster

but they keep publicly saying if the team was healthy, they would be a contender