Trade deadline - what moves do the Dubs make?

[and1GS]

Oubre gives me a headache and, from what I've seen, needs time to play into a rhythm. The issue is, that rhythm has an equal chance at being smooth jazz or a cacophony of sounds.

I don't know how he'd do as a 6th man when we actually expect consistent production and I honestly don't want to find out. I'm also realistic that losing the asset for nothing is fairly inexcusable given our cap situation, so we have to do SOMETHING that involves him being shipped off the team.

[killmongrel]

Oubre gives me a headache and, from what I've seen, needs time to play into a rhythm. The issue is, that rhythm has an equal chance at being smooth jazz or a cacophony of sounds.

I don't know how he'd do as a 6th man when we actually expect consistent production and I honestly don't want to find out. I'm also realistic that losing the asset for nothing is fairly inexcusable given our cap situation, so we have to do SOMETHING that involves him being shipped off the team.

Exactly.

[FNQ]

More and more I dislike Pascal Spreeakam.. getting into a verbal altercation with his coach.. doesnt jive well with our ego-less team

[Coxy]

My statement isn't about Myers pulling a rabbit out of his @ss to make a trade happen. It's about not making a trade AND letting Oubre walk in the off season. So both of those things have to happen before I let the expletives fly.

If Myers can't find any takers for Kelly, without sending out other assets as well, do you think we should resign Oubre if he signs an offer sheet of $20+ million elsewhere in the offseason?

I'm actually part of the camp that wants to trade Oubre and doesn't want to resign him because I don't think he's going to want to be a bench player.

Again, I've always thought of Myers as a passive GM. So that's why I already stated what I thought was going to happen. What I was hoping for was that Myers can conjure up some cojones to at least get a contract that gives him flexibility into the summer even if it's for a lesser player. At least we'd have options going forward.

Conjure up some cojones? You think a different GM could force an Oubre trade to another team, without burning further assets or eating a complete turd burger of a player? If the goal is to just keep the salary slot alive, any GM could trade for a worse player with a bad contract making it even harder to trade said player next season because he's even worse than Oubre.

Myers mistake here, was the reactionary trade for Oubre in the 1st place. I don't blame him though, there was all sorts of pressure to make a deal after Klay went down and the org wanted to bring in another wing. The issue was the scouting report on Oubre, and his lack of basketball IQ. Who knew he really was this terrible at playing basketball in a winning system though? I think Kelly has shocked himself about how bad he has been in a team that needs to make smart decisions at all times to win. I think he must watch the film back in sessions and just be like "I have no idea why I did that, and I can see why that lead to us losing, however I will do that again and I don't know why, and that's it, can we play Xbox now coach?"

[killmongrel]

If Myers can't find any takers for Kelly, without sending out other assets as well, do you think we should resign Oubre if he signs an offer sheet of $20+ million elsewhere in the offseason?

I'm actually part of the camp that wants to trade Oubre and doesn't want to resign him because I don't think he's going to want to be a bench player.

Again, I've always thought of Myers as a passive GM. So that's why I already stated what I thought was going to happen. What I was hoping for was that Myers can conjure up some cojones to at least get a contract that gives him flexibility into the summer even if it's for a lesser player. At least we'd have options going forward.

Conjure up some cojones? You think a different GM could force an Oubre trade to another team, without burning further assets or eating a complete turd burger of a player? If the goal is to just keep the salary slot alive, any GM could trade for a worse player with a bad contract making it even harder to trade said player next season because he's even worse than Oubre.

Myers mistake here, was the reactionary trade for Oubre in the 1st place. I don't blame him though, there was all sorts of pressure to make a deal after Klay went down and the org wanted to bring in another wing. The issue was the scouting report on Oubre, and his lack of basketball IQ. Who knew he really was this terrible at playing basketball in a winning system though? I think Kelly has shocked himself about how bad he has been in a team that needs to make smart decisions at all times to win. I think he must watch the film back in sessions and just be like "I have no idea why I did that, and I can see why that lead to us losing, however I will do that again and I don't know why, and that's it, can we play Xbox now coach?"

How was the trade for Oubre bad? At least it kept the salary slot alive. Now it's a matter of if we keep it going so we have flexibility this summer. All it really cost was Lacob's money.

[Coxy]

More and more I dislike Pascal Spreeakam.. getting into a verbal altercation with his coach.. doesnt jive well with our ego-less team

Nurse sat him the entire 4th of a game. I think Draymond would rip Steve Kerr's arm off and beat him with it if that happened here.

If Kerr sat Wiggins an entire 4th, I think Andrew would think "Sweet, I can play that new game on my Iphone I downloaded last night!'.

[Coxy]

I'm actually part of the camp that wants to trade Oubre and doesn't want to resign him because I don't think he's going to want to be a bench player.

Again, I've always thought of Myers as a passive GM. So that's why I already stated what I thought was going to happen. What I was hoping for was that Myers can conjure up some cojones to at least get a contract that gives him flexibility into the summer even if it's for a lesser player. At least we'd have options going forward.

Conjure up some cojones? You think a different GM could force an Oubre trade to another team, without burning further assets or eating a complete turd burger of a player? If the goal is to just keep the salary slot alive, any GM could trade for a worse player with a bad contract making it even harder to trade said player next season because he's even worse than Oubre.

Myers mistake here, was the reactionary trade for Oubre in the 1st place. I don't blame him though, there was all sorts of pressure to make a deal after Klay went down and the org wanted to bring in another wing. The issue was the scouting report on Oubre, and his lack of basketball IQ. Who knew he really was this terrible at playing basketball in a winning system though? I think Kelly has shocked himself about how bad he has been in a team that needs to make smart decisions at all times to win. I think he must watch the film back in sessions and just be like "I have no idea why I did that, and I can see why that lead to us losing, however I will do that again and I don't know why, and that's it, can we play Xbox now coach?"

How was the trade for Oubre bad? At least it kept the salary slot alive. Now it's a matter of if we keep it going so we have flexibility this summer. All it really cost was Lacob's money.

How do you keep the salary slot alive here? Do you trade for a worse player that is on contract for 1 more year? Is that the play? Who is that player? Who wants to trade for Oubre at this point, knowing that they'd need to pay him in offseason, and he's likely going to want a large sum? Noone wants that situation, including us, hence there is no deal that has happened.

If we take on a puke contract, and that player is worse, and we can't trade that player, it'll just look stoopid. Myers made an error trading for Kelly, I really hope he doesn't compound it by keeping the misery going. Just let him walk if we can't resign him to a very cap friendly deal I say.

[killmongrel]

Conjure up some cojones? You think a different GM could force an Oubre trade to another team, without burning further assets or eating a complete turd burger of a player? If the goal is to just keep the salary slot alive, any GM could trade for a worse player with a bad contract making it even harder to trade said player next season because he's even worse than Oubre.

Myers mistake here, was the reactionary trade for Oubre in the 1st place. I don't blame him though, there was all sorts of pressure to make a deal after Klay went down and the org wanted to bring in another wing. The issue was the scouting report on Oubre, and his lack of basketball IQ. Who knew he really was this terrible at playing basketball in a winning system though? I think Kelly has shocked himself about how bad he has been in a team that needs to make smart decisions at all times to win. I think he must watch the film back in sessions and just be like "I have no idea why I did that, and I can see why that lead to us losing, however I will do that again and I don't know why, and that's it, can we play Xbox now coach?"

How was the trade for Oubre bad? At least it kept the salary slot alive. Now it's a matter of if we keep it going so we have flexibility this summer. All it really cost was Lacob's money.

How do you keep the salary slot alive here? Do you trade for a worse player that is on contract for 1 more year? Is that the play? Who is that player? Who wants to trade for Oubre at this point, knowing that they'd need to pay him in offseason, and he's likely going to want a large sum? Noone wants that situation, including us, hence there is no deal that has happened.

If we take on a puke contract, and that player is worse, and we can't trade that player, it'll just look stoopid. Myers made an error trading for Kelly, I really hope he doesn't compound it by keeping the misery going. Just let him walk if we can't resign him to a very cap friendly deal I say.

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking on a contract that is an expiring next season. At least it gives us an option. I still don't understand why you think getting Oubre was a mistake? Unless the move itself inhibited another player's growth, then it was the right move. Had Myers not taken the shot, people would be taking shots at him. I was all for taking a look at Oubre and am glad they did even if he isn't right for the team. And like I said, it kept the salary slot alive and at least gives us a chance to use it as an option. But I am just not too confident in the FO's ability to get creative. So I will maintain my position on what happens.

[Coxy]

How was the trade for Oubre bad? At least it kept the salary slot alive. Now it's a matter of if we keep it going so we have flexibility this summer. All it really cost was Lacob's money.

How do you keep the salary slot alive here? Do you trade for a worse player that is on contract for 1 more year? Is that the play? Who is that player? Who wants to trade for Oubre at this point, knowing that they'd need to pay him in offseason, and he's likely going to want a large sum? Noone wants that situation, including us, hence there is no deal that has happened.

If we take on a puke contract, and that player is worse, and we can't trade that player, it'll just look stoopid. Myers made an error trading for Kelly, I really hope he doesn't compound it by keeping the misery going. Just let him walk if we can't resign him to a very cap friendly deal I say.

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking on a contract that is an expiring next season. At least it gives us an option. I still don't understand why you think getting Oubre was a mistake? Unless the move itself inhibited another player's growth, then it was the right move. Had Myers not taken the shot, people would be taking shots at him. I was all for taking a look at Oubre and am glad they did even if he isn't right for the team. And like I said, it kept the salary slot alive and at least gives us a chance to use it as an option. But I am just not too confident in the FO's ability to get creative. So I will maintain my position on what happens.

The mistake wasn't keeping the salary slot alive, that was absolutely the right move if Lacob gave the green light for it, the mistake was Oubre himself as the target. It was a misread of a players intelligence, and looking too hard at the athletics. Maybe Bob has just taken players like Iggy, Livingston and Draymond for granted as high IQ guys, and thought that most players can be that way. Had we focused in on a player like say, Joe Ingles for example, that would have worked better. A player with high basketball intelligence that can shoot firstly, and gawdy highlight dunks and mean mugs a far distant last prerequiset.

The salary slot was great, but the player he got is next to untradeable now without eating further doo doo.

[killmongrel]

How do you keep the salary slot alive here? Do you trade for a worse player that is on contract for 1 more year? Is that the play? Who is that player? Who wants to trade for Oubre at this point, knowing that they'd need to pay him in offseason, and he's likely going to want a large sum? Noone wants that situation, including us, hence there is no deal that has happened.

If we take on a puke contract, and that player is worse, and we can't trade that player, it'll just look stoopid. Myers made an error trading for Kelly, I really hope he doesn't compound it by keeping the misery going. Just let him walk if we can't resign him to a very cap friendly deal I say.

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking on a contract that is an expiring next season. At least it gives us an option. I still don't understand why you think getting Oubre was a mistake? Unless the move itself inhibited another player's growth, then it was the right move. Had Myers not taken the shot, people would be taking shots at him. I was all for taking a look at Oubre and am glad they did even if he isn't right for the team. And like I said, it kept the salary slot alive and at least gives us a chance to use it as an option. But I am just not too confident in the FO's ability to get creative. So I will maintain my position on what happens.

The mistake wasn't keeping the salary slot alive, that was absolutely the right move if Lacob gave the green light for it, the mistake was Oubre himself as the target. It was a misread of a players intelligence, and looking too hard at the athletics. Maybe Bob has just taken players like Iggy, Livingston and Draymond for granted as high IQ guys, and thought that most players can be that way. Had we focused in on a player like say, Joe Ingles for example, that would have worked better. A player with high basketball intelligence that can shoot firstly, and gawdy highlight dunks and mean mugs a far distant last prerequiset.

The salary slot was great, but the player he got is next to untradeable now without eating further doo doo.

I mean, wasn't it about who was available as well? Joe Ingles was my no. 1 target for that TPE and would have added Paschall as an incentive to make it happen. But I doubt the opportunity was on the table. Even though I agree that Oubre isn't a smart player, at least it was worth giving him a shot for the other things he brought like athleticism and defense. Like I said, I just like the move because it was better than nothing at worst. But it's all about how we go forward from here. That's what I'm thinking.

[Coxy]

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking on a contract that is an expiring next season. At least it gives us an option. I still don't understand why you think getting Oubre was a mistake? Unless the move itself inhibited another player's growth, then it was the right move. Had Myers not taken the shot, people would be taking shots at him. I was all for taking a look at Oubre and am glad they did even if he isn't right for the team. And like I said, it kept the salary slot alive and at least gives us a chance to use it as an option. But I am just not too confident in the FO's ability to get creative. So I will maintain my position on what happens.

The mistake wasn't keeping the salary slot alive, that was absolutely the right move if Lacob gave the green light for it, the mistake was Oubre himself as the target. It was a misread of a players intelligence, and looking too hard at the athletics. Maybe Bob has just taken players like Iggy, Livingston and Draymond for granted as high IQ guys, and thought that most players can be that way. Had we focused in on a player like say, Joe Ingles for example, that would have worked better. A player with high basketball intelligence that can shoot firstly, and gawdy highlight dunks and mean mugs a far distant last prerequiset.

The salary slot was great, but the player he got is next to untradeable now without eating further doo doo.

I mean, wasn't it about who was available as well? Joe Ingles was my no. 1 target for that TPE and would have added Paschall as an incentive to make it happen. But I doubt the opportunity was on the table. Even though I agree that Oubre isn't a smart player, at least it was worth giving him a shot for the other things he brought like athleticism and defense. Like I said, I just like the move because it was better than nothing at worst. But it's all about how we go forward from here. That's what I'm thinking.

So you were fine with the move, but now have your Bob Myers pitch fork sharpened at the ready if he can't turn the player we traded for into a further asset in terms of a salary slot for next season, even if the player we traded for has completely burned his own trade value to a smouldering crisp?

You drive a tough standard for Bob to achieve.

I was fine with the move, even if I would have liked a smarter player, but it hasn't worked out because the player is just too slow in the head on court. The trade value is not there now, so I don't want this to further hurt us, and just want to cut ties with Kelly. If we lose the salary slot, so be it, improvement on court by subtraction anyway. Bob learns the lesson of looking a lot closer into a players IQ before pulling any further deals, and especially when drafting as well.

[killmongrel]

The mistake wasn't keeping the salary slot alive, that was absolutely the right move if Lacob gave the green light for it, the mistake was Oubre himself as the target. It was a misread of a players intelligence, and looking too hard at the athletics. Maybe Bob has just taken players like Iggy, Livingston and Draymond for granted as high IQ guys, and thought that most players can be that way. Had we focused in on a player like say, Joe Ingles for example, that would have worked better. A player with high basketball intelligence that can shoot firstly, and gawdy highlight dunks and mean mugs a far distant last prerequiset.

The salary slot was great, but the player he got is next to untradeable now without eating further doo doo.

I mean, wasn't it about who was available as well? Joe Ingles was my no. 1 target for that TPE and would have added Paschall as an incentive to make it happen. But I doubt the opportunity was on the table. Even though I agree that Oubre isn't a smart player, at least it was worth giving him a shot for the other things he brought like athleticism and defense. Like I said, I just like the move because it was better than nothing at worst. But it's all about how we go forward from here. That's what I'm thinking.

So you were fine with the move, but now have your Bob Myers pitch fork sharpened at the ready if he can't turn the player we traded for into a further asset in terms of a salary slot for next season, even if the player we traded for has completely burned his own trade value to a smouldering crisp?

You drive a tough standard for Bob to achieve.

I was fine with the move, even if I would have liked a smarter player, but it hasn't worked out because the player is just too slow in the head on court. The trade value is not there now, so I don't want this to further hurt us, and just want to cut ties with Kelly. If we lose the salary slot, so be it, improvement on court by subtraction anyway. Bob learns the lesson of looking a lot closer into a players IQ before pulling any further deals, and especially when drafting as well.

Well, yeah, I was fine with the move because at the end of the day, it kept the salary slot alive. Why is this a difficult thing to process or absurd thing to find appealing?

There was also the possibility that Oubre would have surprised us all and played like the next Pippen. And if that was the case, we would all be urging Myers to open the checkbook for him. There was nothing to lose with the signing of Oubre other than Lacob's money. But the objective for me was always to make sure to keep that salary slot alive regardless.

[kingcong95]

How do you keep the salary slot alive here? Do you trade for a worse player that is on contract for 1 more year? Is that the play? Who is that player? Who wants to trade for Oubre at this point, knowing that they'd need to pay him in offseason, and he's likely going to want a large sum? Noone wants that situation, including us, hence there is no deal that has happened.

The salary slot was great, but the player he got is next to untradeable now without eating further doo doo.

This is the KD for DLO for Wiggins trade tree in a nutshell...but look, shiny draft pick!!!

[killmongrel]

This is the KD for DLO for Wiggins trade tree in a nutshell...but look, shiny draft pick!!!

I don't really want to open up this can of worms again, but what would the other option be if you think we should have just let KD walk away.

[kingcong95]

This is the KD for DLO for Wiggins trade tree in a nutshell...but look, shiny draft pick!!!

I don't really want to open up this can of worms again, but what would the other option be?

I didn't mean it like it was a bad thing. You have the pick, and Wiggins can at least fill a role that no one else on this team can.
Sadly, if there's a team out there that stares at Kelly like the Wolves stare at DLO, they've done an excellent job keeping it low key.

[xdrta+]

This is the KD for DLO for Wiggins trade tree in a nutshell...but look, shiny draft pick!!!

I don't really want to open up this can of worms again, but what would the other option be?

I didn't mean it like it was a bad thing. You have the pick, and Wiggins can at least fill a role that no one else on this team can.
Sadly, if there's a team out there that stares at Kelly like the Wolves stare at DLO, they've done an excellent job keeping it low key.

Oubre's so awful that they can't get a decent offer for him, yet I keep reading that he's going to get $20m/yr offers this summer so the Warriors can't afford him. Something doesn't add up.

[kingcong95]

I don't really want to open up this can of worms again, but what would the other option be?

I didn't mean it like it was a bad thing. You have the pick, and Wiggins can at least fill a role that no one else on this team can.
Sadly, if there's a team out there that stares at Kelly like the Wolves stare at DLO, they've done an excellent job keeping it low key.

Oubre's so awful that they can't get a decent offer for him, yet I keep reading that he's going to get $20m/yr offers this summer so the Warriors can't afford him. Something doesn't add up.

S I G N & T R A D E

[xdrta+]

I didn't mean it like it was a bad thing. You have the pick, and Wiggins can at least fill a role that no one else on this team can.
Sadly, if there's a team out there that stares at Kelly like the Wolves stare at DLO, they've done an excellent job keeping it low key.

Oubre's so awful that they can't get a decent offer for him, yet I keep reading that he's going to get $20m/yr offers this summer so the Warriors can't afford him. Something doesn't add up.

S I G N & T R A D E

D R E A M I N G

[azwfan]

I don't like Wanamaker, but what's the burning reason to get rid of him? There's no reason to dump him unless you need a roster spot (and even then, Smailagić is a more likely candidate to be dumped) or to save on Lacob's luxury tax bill.

1. Cause hes a waste of a roster spot.
2. Save Lacob some money.

I don't give a crap about saving Lacob money.

Regarding a roster spot, you gotta have someone better to take that spot. Having an empty spot doesn't help anything unless it's to accommodate an uneven, multiplayer trade. So paying money and giving away draft picks just so we don't have to see his mug - seems unwise.

Saving ownership money is a reality of being a GM. You may not care about it, and Lacob may be willing to pay a ton for a winner, but why would a GM not want to dump a useless player if it saves his boss money? This makes zero sense.

I can see the “i dont care...” pov for a productive player or even just an adequate one... but for a negative player who doesnt even get minutes anymore? Just doesnt make sense.

[whatisacenter]

It’s been a quiet deadline eve. I wonder if there will be action tomorrow or if most of the trades happened earlier in the year?