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TribeZulu wrote:I’ve been a Raptor fan since the very beginning, so I’ve sat through more than my fair of tanking seasons.
I’ve come to realize that life is too short to do it again. When the Raps suck, I’ll find something else to watch, and it won’t be the NBA cause Raps are the only team I care about.
I’ll be back when they don’t suck anymore.
Steelo Green wrote:Psubs wrote:KL78192020 wrote:
Based on your logic if the NBA's goal is to shaft the Raptors, then why even have a team in Toronto? The NBA will never let them win again, why bother playing at all? Your statement makes no sense. Apparently the refereeing is also fixed so the Raptors can never win.
Raptors only got shafted the 1st 2 drafts in existence. Should've been drafting 4/5 for expansion and taken Kevin Garnett and then the following year actually won the #1 pick but they had a stipulation that they couldn't so drafted Camby instead of Iverson. The Raptors should've been a contender by year 4. As they still would've been able to draft McGrady in the teens the following year. This was IT's vision. He was on that teen talent gamble. Iverson, TWac and KG plus whoever!!! Could've won a championship by year 6.
Raptors won the draft and selected Andrea Barganani (should've taken Aldridge, who didn't take Portland anywhere), it's just fate that they didn't win during the Durant draft (avoid picking Oden).
It literally makes no sense and the grasping of straws has reached umpteenth levels.
If the NBA was so hell bent on our failure, we wouldn't have won a title.
Last year we were the second best record in the NBA without a superstar, so what, we were just that good that the reffing couldn't beat us?
The Wolves have had how many first overall picks? The NBA is rigging it for them but not the Knicks?
Conspiracy theories have gone to another level.
canz55 wrote:So my question to the hapless/shameless TwO group is: when the Raps invariably get shafted by the NBA and pick outside of the top 5, what are you guys going to say then?
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KL78192020 wrote:Steelo Green wrote:Psubs wrote:
Raptors only got shafted the 1st 2 drafts in existence. Should've been drafting 4/5 for expansion and taken Kevin Garnett and then the following year actually won the #1 pick but they had a stipulation that they couldn't so drafted Camby instead of Iverson. The Raptors should've been a contender by year 4. As they still would've been able to draft McGrady in the teens the following year. This was IT's vision. He was on that teen talent gamble. Iverson, TWac and KG plus whoever!!! Could've won a championship by year 6.
Raptors won the draft and selected Andrea Barganani (should've taken Aldridge, who didn't take Portland anywhere), it's just fate that they didn't win during the Durant draft (avoid picking Oden).
It literally makes no sense and the grasping of straws has reached umpteenth levels.
If the NBA was so hell bent on our failure, we wouldn't have won a title.
Last year we were the second best record in the NBA without a superstar, so what, we were just that good that the reffing couldn't beat us?
The Wolves have had how many first overall picks? The NBA is rigging it for them but not the Knicks?
Conspiracy theories have gone to another level.
lol exactly. IF the NBA was rigging anything it would make sense that the NY Knicks the biggest media market in the league would be making deep playoff runs every single year. Knicks would be a goldmine for ratings, but we all know how they've done over the last 20 years.
KL78192020 wrote:Steelo Green wrote:Psubs wrote:
Raptors only got shafted the 1st 2 drafts in existence. Should've been drafting 4/5 for expansion and taken Kevin Garnett and then the following year actually won the #1 pick but they had a stipulation that they couldn't so drafted Camby instead of Iverson. The Raptors should've been a contender by year 4. As they still would've been able to draft McGrady in the teens the following year. This was IT's vision. He was on that teen talent gamble. Iverson, TWac and KG plus whoever!!! Could've won a championship by year 6.
Raptors won the draft and selected Andrea Barganani (should've taken Aldridge, who didn't take Portland anywhere), it's just fate that they didn't win during the Durant draft (avoid picking Oden).
It literally makes no sense and the grasping of straws has reached umpteenth levels.
If the NBA was so hell bent on our failure, we wouldn't have won a title.
Last year we were the second best record in the NBA without a superstar, so what, we were just that good that the reffing couldn't beat us?
The Wolves have had how many first overall picks? The NBA is rigging it for them but not the Knicks?
Conspiracy theories have gone to another level.
lol exactly. IF the NBA was rigging anything it would make sense that the NY Knicks the biggest media market in the league would be making deep playoff runs every single year. Knicks would be a goldmine for ratings, but we all know how they've done over the last 20 years.
KL78192020 wrote:Steelo Green wrote:Psubs wrote:
Raptors only got shafted the 1st 2 drafts in existence. Should've been drafting 4/5 for expansion and taken Kevin Garnett and then the following year actually won the #1 pick but they had a stipulation that they couldn't so drafted Camby instead of Iverson. The Raptors should've been a contender by year 4. As they still would've been able to draft McGrady in the teens the following year. This was IT's vision. He was on that teen talent gamble. Iverson, TWac and KG plus whoever!!! Could've won a championship by year 6.
Raptors won the draft and selected Andrea Barganani (should've taken Aldridge, who didn't take Portland anywhere), it's just fate that they didn't win during the Durant draft (avoid picking Oden).
It literally makes no sense and the grasping of straws has reached umpteenth levels.
If the NBA was so hell bent on our failure, we wouldn't have won a title.
Last year we were the second best record in the NBA without a superstar, so what, we were just that good that the reffing couldn't beat us?
The Wolves have had how many first overall picks? The NBA is rigging it for them but not the Knicks?
Conspiracy theories have gone to another level.
lol exactly. IF the NBA was rigging anything it would make sense that the NY Knicks the biggest media market in the league would be making deep playoff runs every single year. Knicks would be a goldmine for ratings, but we all know how they've done over the last 20 years.
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Inevitable
d00lttle wrote:Psubs wrote:TrustFundBaby wrote:
I know Embiid and Jokic are the MVP candidates this year and will hurt my argument, but this is a perimeter centric league. You need a star Guard/Wing player that can handle the ball, get to his spots, shoot, defend, and pass at a high level to be a Championship contender
Even if Mobley becomes amazing, he still wouldn't fit that hole in our roster. The other guys available at that range can, however.
The whole argument about tWo has been maximizing our chances at getting a franchise level talent, which makes sense. But when we would be starting from scratch, and our choices are between star wing and star big, you have to take the perimeter guy. It's just the current meta of the League
AD couldn't take the Pels anywhere, he needed to go be LBJs sidekick to do anything. Embiid's best run came when he had Jimmy Butler and Simmons. By himself he couldn't take a single game off the Celtics last playoffs. Jokic got to the WCF in large part because Jamal was having a historic run. KAT has won something like 10 games in 2 seasons.
When you see the impact Doncic and Lamelo are having, it just reinforces how necessary it is to get that star guard/wing
I'm looking at some of the teams in the lotto and IMO Mobley is perfect for OKC (SGA), SAC (Fox) and WAS (Beal)
For us and everyone else the other 4 guys are better
That's a fair assessment.
Just I have issues with the other top 5 as well. Jalen Green is only 6'4 so a smaller Zach Lavine. Kuminga was outplayed by Green during the GLeague regular season. Suggs is on a stacked team so things are easier and he might end up a healthy version of Brandon Roy. Cade is a point forward (not a PG) and not that as athletic or quick as you'd want.
With Mobley, I don't doubt that he'll get stronger and would be a quicker version of Wiseman, who needs a bit more developing.
I don't agree with that comment about Cade's athleticism. He doesn't use his athleticism to score, so it's not critical to his game. It's like the criticism Luka had about his athleticism. He's averaging over 20ppg as a freshmen on good efficiency, despite being head and shoulders above anyone else on his team (re: focal point of the opposing defense). That's almost as good as Carmelo and better than Harden or Kyrie as freshmen.
A point forward (or a playmakng wing) is exactly what you want in the league right now. Somebody that can score efficiently, but create for others when defenses start shifting towards them.
Pelly24 wrote:
Man. Being able to get to your spots in addition to your primary skillset is what separates fringe all-stars from all-stars and all-stars from all-nba players. Cade I think has a fairly high floor, but his lack of burst is really bad. Luka is a solid athlete with amazing hip flexibility, nimble feet/agility/body control and great strength to go along with maybe the best handle for someone his size I've ever seen.
Psubs wrote:Pelly24 wrote:
Man. Being able to get to your spots in addition to your primary skillset is what separates fringe all-stars from all-stars and all-stars from all-nba players. Cade I think has a fairly high floor, but his lack of burst is really bad. Luka is a solid athlete with amazing hip flexibility, nimble feet/agility/body control and great strength to go along with maybe the best handle for someone his size I've ever seen.
Luka and Harden are able to get to the rim. Cade isn't that great at that. When he does drive and gets stuck throws the ball away.
