Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

BeKuK · Post #321 » by **BeKuK** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:14 pm

Dammit......what an exciting day........and this after the ugly loss vs the Cavs. I need some fresh oxygen......and 3 beers. GO BULLS

Jcool0 · Post #322 » by **Jcool0** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:15 pm

lol KC on The Score just compared this trade to Gar/Pax trading for Jalen Rose and John Salmons.... hahahahahahaha

Nucky Thompson · Post #323 » by **Nucky Thompson** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:15 pm

On the Magic forum they are in total "stockholm syndrome" convincing themselves they actually got value for Vuc in return.

Devinpo · Post #324 » by **Devinpo** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:16 pm

patagonia wrote:not a fan of two firsts

Realistically how have the bulls first round picks after Jimmy really looked? I don’t get how people would rather get a maybe than a sure thing. Also those pics will probably be pushed out some years and be in the high teens or 20s

mtron32 · Post #325 » by **mtron32** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:16 pm

Jcool0 wrote:lol KC on The Score just compared this trade to Gar/Pax trading for Jalen Rose and John Salmons.... hahahahahahaha

wow really? SMDH

TheFinishSniper · Post #326 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:18 pm

Jcool0 wrote:lol KC on The Score just compared this trade to Gar/Pax trading for Jalen Rose and John Salmons.... hahahahahahaha

he could only compare it to that because that's only trade Bulls ever did worthwhile mentioned acquiring someone instead shipping them out in his lousy reporter career since he is with Bulls. I must say I feel sad for him. That's all he knew.

Jstock12 · Post #327 » by **Jstock12** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:18 pm

Congrats guys. I feel like the first round picks outside the top5 are so overrated. And Karnisovas has proven he can find gems even in the 2nd round.

mtron32 · Post #328 » by **mtron32** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:18 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:On the Magic forum they are in total "stockholm syndrome" convincing themselves they actually got value for Vuc in return.

I always thought a trade for Vuc would've taken 3 firsts, WCJ, Lauri and Coby. All things considered, this is a great deal for us. They took WCJ off our hands and we instantly fill a position of need, plus get an all star next to Zach. All we need now is a starting PG.

Post #329 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:19 pm

nomorezorro wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

i know that zach is a deeply flawed playmaker for others, but i think playing with lavine (and satoransky and thad) is an upgrade from playing with cole anthony and michael carter-williams

I mean, I will readily admit that our team is gonna be better than this Orlando team. But that says nothing. Do you feel like we are a very good team as presently constructed? I think we will struggle offensively until we get a true primary playmaker. Defensively...yeesh.

rtblues · Post #330 » by **rtblues** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:19 pm

Jstock12 wrote:Congrats guys. I feel like the first round picks outside the top5 are so overrated. And Karnisovas has proven he can find gems even in the 2nd round.

The voice of reason! Thank you!

madvillian · Post #331 » by **madvillian** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:19 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:On the Magic forum they are in total "stockholm syndrome" convincing themselves they actually got value for Vuc in return.

If the Bulls traded Zach for a package like this I'd be really pissed. That says it all imo.

Nucky Thompson · Post #332 » by **Nucky Thompson** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:19 pm

This is an absolute fleecing of the Magic by the Bulls FO, unless the Bulls get hit with some major injuries there is no way that this year pick convey's it's way into the top 10, and how they didn't get zero protections on the '2023 pick is beyond me. Artis' took them to the cleaners...oh but they got salary relief. lol

chifan1798 · Post #333 » by **chifan1798** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:20 pm

OMG!!! Yes. As others have said, wish we didn’t have to give up two first rounders, but we need this change big time!!! If we can somehow get Lonzo too, then we’d be in a very good position!

Devinpo · Post #334 » by **Devinpo** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:20 pm

Hold That wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

At what point do you take yourself out of rebuild mode? At what point do you establish yourself as one of the up and coming playoff teams and take advantage of your big market and show you’re one star away from being a championship contender? There’s a reason why Orlando Magic’s of the world stay in the state they are in. Constantly hitting the reset button every 5 years because they aren’t in position to compete right now.. there are stars who demand trades every single year and every single year Chicago isn’t on their list. Why? Because the former management never was aggressive to build a playoff bound team with the mindset of saying “we aren’t realistically going to win anything so why go for it?”

Hopefully this way of thinking is DONE. Tired of drafting the Lauri’s Wendells Coby Whites of the world and passing on available talented stars. Focus on today stop thinking about 4 or 5 years down the line when we don’t even have a Lamelo Ball or Anthony Edwards or Luka etc.. to do that with..

We legitimately can enter the top 5 seed in the East with this move. This will look so good for pending FAs who are looking for a good team that’s right on the brink.

I couldn’t agree more it’s crazy how after all these failed draft picks in the last 20 years people are still trying to do the same thing.

Other than Golden State in recent years who is really won a championship off just draft picks?

How can people rather take a risk on a an unproven rookie then a guy that’s an all-star.

aramada · Post #335 » by **aramada** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:20 pm

Next 3 hours are going to get nuts

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #336 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:20 pm

Ever since Carter Jr let the back up center from Philly go off on him when Embid was out was the final straw for me...Bye you won't be missed fam

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #337 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:22 pm

Jcool0 wrote:lol KC on The Score just compared this trade to Gar/Pax trading for Jalen Rose and John Salmons.... hahahahahahaha

He still Paxson mouthpiece I see lmfao

Nucky Thompson · Post #338 » by **Nucky Thompson** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:24 pm

madvillian wrote:
Nucky Thompson wrote:On the Magic forum they are in total "stockholm syndrome" convincing themselves they actually got value for Vuc in return.

If the Bulls traded Zach for a package like this I'd be really pissed. That says it all imo.

Right, this deal is only salvagable for them if the Bulls continue a downward trend this year(not likely with Vuc now) and the Bulls pick lands in the 7-10 range. They should have demanded no protections on at least one of the picks.

nomorezorro · Post #339 » by **nomorezorro** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:25 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

i know that zach is a deeply flawed playmaker for others, but i think playing with lavine (and satoransky and thad) is an upgrade from playing with cole anthony and michael carter-williams

I mean, I will readily admit that our team is gonna be better than this Orlando team. But that says nothing. Do you feel like we are a very good team as presently constructed? I think we will struggle offensively until we get a true primary playmaker. Defensively...yeesh.

i think having two very, very good offensive players will make us good on offense even if we don't have a traditional primary playmaker. i think we'll be able to roll out four plus passers for their positions, which should really go a long way. (i guess it's debatable if zach qualifies as a plus passer? but i feel like the amount of defensive attention he draws and his willingness to pass makes up for his sloppiness and the fact that he's not a natural creator for others)

defense, yeesh is right but at least we have a big body at the 5? i also think getting rid of lauri and shifting coby to a bench shooter role (or trading him too!) could go a long way on that front

TheSuzerain · Post #340 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:25 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:On the Magic forum they are in total "stockholm syndrome" convincing themselves they actually got value for Vuc in return.

It's kind of a weird trade. I'm skeptical from our perspective. But on the other hand, I can't say the Magic killed it or anything.

We really should be a playoff team now, so the picks aren't huge value.

To me the biggest loss of value is what our '21 pick could have been if we did a slight teardown. That could have been a top 5-8 pick.