Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner

[madvillian]

Wiz fan here. Team got low on Wagner (who they pulled from the starting lineup and did not pick up his option) and Brown (who they picked the option up on but was racking up DNP-CDs). Wagner is an energy guy who fouls a lot who you'll have to match an offer to keep this offseason. Brown can pass and rebound but he can't shoot, isn't very athletic and doesn't defend too well. He needs the ball in his hands to play effectively and is best served being a point forward - that didn't fit with Beal and Westbrook

I think what excites Wiz fans is getting Gafford and the two extra years of control on the cheap.

lol. you have an option on a worthless contract. you guys got fleeced.

[Mirotek]

Another great trade by AK. Can't stop smiling today

[BeKuK]

BTW... Troy Brown Jr. has a 6-11 wingspan.

And only 21 years old and already playing his 3rd NBA season. Signing Russell Westbrook did hurt him this season. Chicago is a good fit for him.

[DuckIII]

I’m awaiting more info/moves to convince myself I like the Vuc deal.

But I downright LOVE this deal. Huge steal to the point I’m confused as to Washington’s thinking. Maybe a trade detail is missing?

I loved Brown as a prospect and he was looking good last season. Not sure what happened this year as his numbers are crap, but I haven’t paid attention to the Wizards.

Either way, amazing zero risk/high reward potential trade considering what we gave up.

Verdict: Win

[Grodoboldo]

Me Rn

Watch on YouTube

[TheFinishSniper]

Trent Jr. got traded to Raptors for Powell. We can forget about him for Coby.

[FriedRise]

"If I didn't draft Gafford and made a promise to Hutch, they wouldn't have been able to get Troy Brown and Wagner here."
- Pax probably

Spoiler:

[Grodoboldo]

I actually think we got the 2 best players on this trade.

This.
Is.
Amazing.

[nomorezorro]

Wiz fan here. Team got low on Wagner (who they pulled from the starting lineup and did not pick up his option) and Brown (who they picked the option up on but was racking up DNP-CDs). Wagner is an energy guy who fouls a lot who you'll have to match an offer to keep this offseason. Brown can pass and rebound but he can't shoot, isn't very athletic and doesn't defend too well. He needs the ball in his hands to play effectively and is best served being a point forward - that didn't fit with Beal and Westbrook

I think what excites Wiz fans is getting Gafford and the two extra years of control on the cheap.

gafford vacillates between "solid enough bench energy big who knows his limits and plays to them" and "doesn't have his **** together enough to be worth playing," which i think tends to be a pretty thin margin in the nba generally speaking. people here are down on him right now but they've liked him in the past and i think he could turn out just fine

[RastaBull]

Troy is guy I remember Knicks fans being obssesed during draft night they get to him. That's only reason I remember him. I dont understand what deal does for us or doesn't.

Haven't heard much this year, but last year I remember him being a very exciting/unexpected +contributor from SF position. I feel like eye test he's pretty long, strong solid body, good lateral movement ... so make up of a good one-on-one perimeter defender at SF? Any one with more insight to confirm or deny?

Based on box score last year (when he got real run starting a solid amount of games) he averaged 1.2 steals and 5.6 rebs in 25 min. I like those numbers for our current Bulls team.

We need more defenders on the perimeter, especially swingmen. Really it's just Pat; I have no idea if Lauri stays or not today, but if he does go it would signal to me that Pat may get more burn at PF (which could be a good pairing with Vuc). (Lonzo and his defense would really help transform a negative to a possible positive for this team on perimeter defense).

Brown at very least gives a good prototypical SF off bench (whereas Hutch is never available and Val is more gadget).

I like Gafford actually. Hope he develops into serviceable NBA big. Wagner is a one year shot and see what he's got. Never really see him get much run, but know he does some things ok, nothing special. I'm guessing Brown was the main reason for this.

[DuckIII]

Wiz fan here. Team got low on Wagner (who they pulled from the starting lineup and did not pick up his option) and Brown (who they picked the option up on but was racking up DNP-CDs). Wagner is an energy guy who fouls a lot who you'll have to match an offer to keep this offseason. Brown can pass and rebound but he can't shoot, isn't very athletic and doesn't defend too well. He needs the ball in his hands to play effectively and is best served being a point forward - that didn't fit with Beal and Westbrook

I think what excites Wiz fans is getting Gafford and the two extra years of control on the cheap.

Gafford and Hutch are both plus athletes even by NBA standards, but are currently worthless as players. If you can develop them maybe this works out for you.

[TheSuzerain]

Troy is guy I remember Knicks fans being obssesed during draft night they get to him. That's only reason I remember him. I dont understand what deal does for us or doesn't.

Haven't heard much this year, but last year I remember him being a very exciting/unexpected +contributor from SF position. I feel like eye test he's pretty long, strong solid body, good lateral movement ... so make up of a good one-on-one perimeter defender at SF? Any one with more insight to confirm or deny?

Based on box score last year (when he got real run starting a solid amount of games) he averaged 1.2 steals and 5.6 rebs in 25 min. I like those numbers for our current Bulls team.

We need more defenders on the perimeter, especially swingmen. Really it's just Pat; I have no idea if Lauri stays or not today, but if he does go it would signal to me that Pat may get more burn at PF (which could be a good pairing with Vuc). (Lonzo and his defense would really help transform a negative to a possible positive for this team on perimeter defense).

Brown at very least gives a good prototypical SF off bench (whereas Hutch is never available and Val is more gadget).

I like Gafford actually. Hope he develops into serviceable NBA big. Wagner is a one year shot and see what he's got. Never really see him get much run, but know he does some things ok, nothing special. I'm guessing Brown was the main reason for this.

I think "good lateral movement" might be a stretch.

He somewhat reminds me of Denzel honestly. Just a younger version who can hopefully develop and end up better physically.

I do remember Troy Brown has long had a good rep for having a good head on his shoulders since his days with the youth national teams.

[fleet]

Just for the new blood Im in

[YoungPa]

Wiz fan here. Team got low on Wagner (who they pulled from the starting lineup and did not pick up his option) and Brown (who they picked the option up on but was racking up DNP-CDs). Wagner is an energy guy who fouls a lot who you'll have to match an offer to keep this offseason. Brown can pass and rebound but he can't shoot, isn't very athletic and doesn't defend too well. He needs the ball in his hands to play effectively and is best served being a point forward - that didn't fit with Beal and Westbrook

I think what excites Wiz fans is getting Gafford and the two extra years of control on the cheap.

Gafford will wow you guys with a few lobs and put back dunks. Then fold up like a lawn chair when there is any sort of contact with another big. He'll fall all over the damn floor like a big ass giraffe every other posession. And Hutchinson will never suit up. But good luck though. ITEMS SOLD AS IS. NO RETURNS

[The Explorer]

"If I didn't draft Gafford and made a promise to Hutch, they wouldn't have been able to get Troy Brown and Wagner here."
- Pax probably

Spoiler:

"The Derrick Rose injury really hampered us but put us in position to draft Hutchison"

[D_GoLow]

Wagner is 80% of Lauri imo.

plus he has some attitude, we finally have some players that won't wilt.

Cheaper alternative to Lauri.

Waiting anxiously for more news...

[Wingy]

Wiz fan here. Team got low on Wagner (who they pulled from the starting lineup and did not pick up his option) and Brown (who they picked the option up on but was racking up DNP-CDs). Wagner is an energy guy who fouls a lot who you'll have to match an offer to keep this offseason. Brown can pass and rebound but he can't shoot, isn't very athletic and doesn't defend too well. He needs the ball in his hands to play effectively and is best served being a point forward - that didn't fit with Beal and Westbrook

I think what excites Wiz fans is getting Gafford and the two extra years of control on the cheap.

Seems like a meh for meh trade, and many Bulls fans are hyped that the incoming meh isn't our old meh.

[CjayC]

Hutch was basura.

Gafford wasn't great, but I liked him. I think he still has room to grow learning especially learning from RoLo.

We got the best players in the deal, I'll take it.

[MrSparkle]

I like that we're loading up on players with passing/IQ/fundamentals.

Trading out all the "defenders" (big quotations) who had less BB IQ than your local pee-wee YMCA team.

I can't even believe BoyGarPax believed in some kind of winning core with Dunn, Shaq, Carter, Hutchison and Gafford taking up half the roster (not even counting Felicio). It is entirely possible that if you played that 5-man unit, the Bulls would score under 40 points in a regular season NBA game, breaking the Bulls NBA-record from 1999 (they had 49 points against Miami, lowest score ever in shot clock era).

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Bye slippery fingers.