Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

Chi town · Post #381 » by **Chi town** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:50 pm

Trent for Norm Powell.

Dang!

We have to get Lonzo now.

madvillian · Post #382 » by **madvillian** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:50 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Hold That wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:5th-7th in the lottery is a very nice place to be under the new odds.

Best case scenario we'd have a top 4 pick (roughly 40% chance of happening at the 5th/6th spot which is very high).

This has happened once for us and we wound up with Patrick williams. I like Patrick williams as much as anyone but he’s not there type of prospect that you pass up on trading for an all star C on a declining deal that you can easily flip again in the next two years because he’s on a team friendly deal.

It happened another time for us. Derrick Rose.

And we had our only contender level team since Jordan. Don't forget about that when you besmirch the draft lottery.

It was 1.8%, I'll continue to besmirch the lottery TYVM. It's fool's gold largely. The way to build a team is to get good enough to attract a superstar or the final pieces.

TheSuzerain · Post #383 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:51 pm

Hold That wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
Hold That wrote:
This has happened once for us and we wound up with Patrick williams. I like Patrick williams as much as anyone but he’s not there type of prospect that you pass up on trading for an all star C on a declining deal that you can easily flip again in the next two years because he’s on a team friendly deal.

It happened another time for us. Derrick Rose.

And we had our only contender level team since Jordan. Don't forget about that when you besmirch the draft lottery.

So your banking on something that happened almost 13 years ago?

I'm saying it's a superstar league. And the draft is the only way this franchise has ever landed a superstar.

Chi town · Post #384 » by **Chi town** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:52 pm

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TheSuzerain · Post #385 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:52 pm

madvillian wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
Hold That wrote:
This has happened once for us and we wound up with Patrick williams. I like Patrick williams as much as anyone but he’s not there type of prospect that you pass up on trading for an all star C on a declining deal that you can easily flip again in the next two years because he’s on a team friendly deal.

It happened another time for us. Derrick Rose.

And we had our only contender level team since Jordan. Don't forget about that when you besmirch the draft lottery.

It was 1.8%, I'll continue to besmirch the lottery TYVM. It's fool's gold largely. The way to build a team is to get good enough to attract a superstar or the final pieces.

The higher your lotto odds, the higher your chances at the Rose-like prospects.

Chi town · Post #386 » by **Chi town** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:53 pm

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Looks like Lowry headed to Heat or Lakers now. Bet it’s Lakers unless Heat cough up Herro.

SfBull · Post #387 » by **SfBull** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:53 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

It seems that follow ups are coming.

Hold That · Post #388 » by **Hold That** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:53 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
Hold That wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:It happened another time for us. Derrick Rose.

And we had our only contender level team since Jordan. Don't forget about that when you besmirch the draft lottery.

So your banking on something that happened almost 13 years ago?

I'm saying it's a superstar league. And the draft is the only way this franchise has ever landed a superstar.

It’s the only reason why this franchise has landed a superstar because we’ve been in the dumpster for the years prior and after that. The only time this team landed a star or all star in FA is when we’ve had an established allstar with a playoff team. Now we have two.

TheSuzerain · Post #389 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:56 pm

Hold That wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
Hold That wrote:
So your banking on something that happened almost 13 years ago?

I'm saying it's a superstar league. And the draft is the only way this franchise has ever landed a superstar.

It’s the only reason why this franchise has landed a superstar because we’ve been in the dumpster for the years prior and after that. The only time this team landed a star or all star in FA is when we’ve had an established allstar with a playoff team. Now we have two.

All stars we've landed in FA:

Carlos Boozer ( :cry:

)
Ben Wallace ( :oops:

)
Pau Gasol (Pau was solid)
Dwyane Wade ( :banghead:

)

Post #390 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:57 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:I don’t have time to read this thread. I see this year’s pick has top 4 protection. What are the details on the other pick?

As an aside, I will find it much easier to like this trade if we land Lonzo and legitimately are trying to set a competitive core for several years coming.

Top 4 on both, per KC.

Thanks! So the other is for the 2023 draft I assume? Can’t trade consecutive firsts anymore right?

JOHN · Post #391 » by **JOHN** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:57 pm

Get Brogdon...

Post #392 » by **fleet** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:58 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:If its highly protected picks Im good with that. But thats a great move

They basically gave up nothing plus 2 firsts for an all star center. If he wasn’t 30 yo it would be perfect. As it is it is awesome.

Jvaughn · Post #393 » by **Jvaughn** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:59 pm

Magic beans wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Gafford and Hutch gone for Troy Brown and Mo Wagner

On London time catching up with the news.... wow is this all for real?

At the very least this shows that AK is going to be aggressive in re shaping the roster. Personally I love these moves. Now onto Lauri.

I'm very excited about a FO that actually takes chances. Yes, onto Lauri now. Let's make it happen.

Chewie · Post #394 » by **Chewie** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:01 pm

OK, assuming AK knows PG is needed or all of this is for naught.

3....2....1....

Post #395 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:02 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

BeKuK · Post #396 » by **BeKuK** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:03 pm

Jvaughn wrote:I'm very excited about a FO that actually takes chances. Yes, onto Lauri now. Let's make it happen.

I can't remember the last time I was excited during the day (Bulls related). I usually have my exciting moments sometime in the middle of the night when it comes to the Bulls. lol

TheSuzerain · Post #397 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:06 pm

DuckIII wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

Chi town · Post #398 » by **Chi town** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:08 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
BrooklynBulls wrote:At this point im not sure how anybody can be happy about the move. Vucevic is a really good player but this team is so not ready to compete for anything. A follow-up move or two to establish a primary playmaker on this team could change my mind, but right now we didn't just trade for Vuc, we traded for becoming the Orlando Magic. The same problems Vuc had there, he will have here. He needs a real PG. So does LaVine.

I agree with almost all of this except I do think we are much better positioned than Orlando. Regardless, I’m not at all happy about a meager top 4 protection.

Unless we make a move for a playmaker. Lonzo. Without that, our most glaring team need still has not been addressed and we just sent out the only assets we reasonably has to cure that ailment.

We need a follow-up move for this Vuc trade to make sense.

I don't think Lonzo is good enough though. We need a half-court playmaker.

Vuc is a pretty darn good half court playmaker.

erasmusmrr · Post #399 » by **erasmusmrr** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:08 pm

So now Zach has to get 5/190. What happens in 2 years? Vuc is gone and...

VictorBBall · Post #400 » by **VictorBBall** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:09 pm

Bulls also got Al Farouq Aminu