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Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#601 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:37 pm

DJhitek wrote:Vuch is a very good player, but man I don’t get this obsession with the center position. Not a fan with dumping two picks like this but it’s obvious the front office is done watching Lavine’s prime being wasted. I think he will fit great, just don’t think the ceiling is all that high unless we make major moves after this.



Culture and league optics are important. Suddenly if a guy wants out in the off-season or next year we are not a wasteland. It opens up the trade market and Chicago now looks like a place a player would want to come, because we are aggressive and take care of our "star" and get him help. That attracts other quality players. It is huge as a PR move if nothing else.
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#602 » by HomoSapien » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:38 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:The stench of the GarPax regime is really starting to disappear. I think we all were a little confused by the lack of change in the roster to start the season, but in less than a year, AK added a legitimate culture-changing coach and a guy who has a shot of going down as the best center in Chicago Bulls history.

We all underwent around 20 years of terrible management, but I don't know if it's collectively hit the board of what just happened. We added a 25 and 12 All-Star. After all those years of failed trade rumors (Gasol, Kobe, Amar'e, Melo, etc.) we finally traded for someone who pushes the needle. We finally did a trade that wasn't about future considerations or flexibility. This was simply about making us better. In less than one year, AK pulled off the type of trade that John Paxson couldn't in 17 years.

Zach and Vuc should be able to get to the playoffs, and if we play well and get some notice we're going to be a prime destination for a "third star" who is looking to land in a desirable situation. Maybe that guy is Kawhi Leonard if things with LAC go sour.

The only shame of the deadline is that we didn't convert Felicio into anything. You have to assume that we'll cut him and try and add someone like Teague to the roster.


Absolutely - this is one of the best trades we've made as a franchise, if not the best. Trading for an All-Star doesn't always happen, unless said All-Star is openly demanding a trade, and we got him by only really giving up two assets in my opinion, the two first round picks. And if Billy can integrate Nikola into the system early, we are talking about late lottery or out of the lottery picks.

I really can't think of a negative as far as this deal goes, besides his age, and even then, he isn't exactly a player who relies heavily on his athletic ability either and we are still talking about someone who still has about 4-5 years of his prime left in him provided he stays healthy.


Agreed. For the first time in my memory, the Bulls not only made a good deadline deal, they WON the trade deadline and somehow did it without any leaks. No one knew we had interest in Vuc or Theis.

Also an underrated aspect of this move is that it's got to go a long way towards helping us build even more good will with Zach. We're showing him we're trying to build a team. This year will be about making the playoffs and getting a taste of success. Next year will be about adding that third piece and moving towards a deeper playoff run. This is exciting.
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#603 » by ZOMG » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:39 pm

So... a question I haven't seen anyone asking:

Is this now Vuc's team?
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Post#604 » by jake_swivel » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:39 pm

TyrusRose2425 wrote:Also beyond Markannen, I think Vuc will help out Coby. Similar to how role players get fat contracts when playing on contenders, I see Vuc raising some young guys’ trade value a good deal. We went from a team with no clear path to one that might have found a lane.


Yup, hope coby throws up some late season 30 spots like last year and then ship him out.
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#605 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:40 pm

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DJhitek wrote:Vuch is a very good player, but man I don’t get this obsession with the center position. Not a fan with dumping two picks like this but it’s obvious the front office is done watching Lavine’s prime being wasted. I think he will fit great, just don’t think the ceiling is all that high unless we make major moves after this.


I mean, he’s averaging 24 and 10 with 40% 3 pt shooting. Not like he’s a garbage man.

The ceiling of the team is squarely on PAW’s shoulders. But the floor is way higher.



It's also a position that has become more important this year. Embiid, Jokic, AD (PF but really a C) are who you have to face
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#606 » by HomoSapien » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:40 pm

ZOMG wrote:So... a question I haven't seen anyone asking:

Is this now Vuc's team?


It's unequivocally Zach's team.
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

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Post#608 » by MrTwister » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:44 pm

ZOMG wrote:This was funny. As if Vuc is a "long term fit" with anyone - he could be retired or playing in Spain in 3-4 years. :lol:

Read on Twitter

FWIW, Vucevic's dad (former basketball player) played pretty successfully late into his career and retired @ 45 years of age. I'm not saying Vuc will push Tom Brady for his longevity but considering the circumstances in Orlando, he was closest to ironman they had all these years.
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#610 » by HomoSapien » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:46 pm

MrTwister wrote:
ZOMG wrote:This was funny. As if Vuc is a "long term fit" with anyone - he could be retired or playing in Spain in 3-4 years. :lol:

Read on Twitter

FWIW, Vucevic's dad (former basketball player) played pretty successfully late into his career and retired @ 45 years of age. I'm not saying Vuc will push Tom Brady for his longevity but considering the circumstances in Orlando, he was closest to ironman they had all these years.


Also this isn't the 80s or 90s. Teams have complete facelifts every 3-4 years. The windows are smaller.
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Post#611 » by D_GoLow » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:48 pm

I most looking for to Stacey King no longer babying Wendell whenever he gets a rebound or makes a shot..."There ya go, Wendell!!!"
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#612 » by jake_swivel » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:50 pm

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NVs creativity level isn’t anywhere close to Jokic’s. I only mention that because you and chefo were saying NV was going to be putting up comparable stat lines. And I know you didn’t mean over the course of the season, but if Vuc sniffs 5 assists a game, I’ll be shocked. Those were good, but standard post passes.

Good trade, though.
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Post#613 » by MrFortune3 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:52 pm

HomoSapien wrote:The stench of the GarPax regime is really starting to disappear. I think we all were a little confused by the lack of change in the roster to start the season, but in less than a year, AK added a legitimate culture-changing coach and a guy who has a shot of going down as the best center in Chicago Bulls history.

We all underwent around 20 years of terrible management, but I don't know if it's collectively hit the board of what just happened. We added a 25 and 12 All-Star. After all those years of failed trade rumors (Gasol, Kobe, Amar'e, Melo, etc.) we finally traded for someone who pushes the needle. We finally did a trade that wasn't about future considerations or flexibility. This was simply about making us better. In less than one year, AK pulled off the type of trade that John Paxson couldn't in 17 years.

Zach and Vuc should be able to get to the playoffs, and if we play well and get some notice we're going to be a prime destination for a "third star" who is looking to land in a desirable situation. Maybe that guy is Kawhi Leonard if things with LAC go sour.

The only shame of the deadline is that we didn't convert Felicio into anything. You have to assume that we'll cut him and try and add someone like Teague to the roster.


I don't understand why so many were confused on the lack of moves. That's AK's MO. He and Evs made it clear they wanted to see how the team went and wanted to focus on development.

They've had a half season to try to piece it together and they realized they needed to make comprehensive changes to the roster.
Remember, early on they were not even sure if LaVine was going to be the player they built around so they needed time to evaluate the roster and see who was going to be a part of the future.
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Re: Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts 

Post#614 » by ArtMorte » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:55 pm

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erasmusmrr wrote:Carter was just the #7 pick a few years ago.



Yes he was and that is the evidence that First Round Picks don't mean much. One in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. Poor Orlando.


The Pelicans currently have a 1st overall pick (Zion) and two 2nd overall picks in their roster (Lonzo & Ingram). They're below .500 and on course to miss the playoffs. Just further evidence how fans shouldn't overrate picks.
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Post#615 » by BullChit » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:58 pm

D_GoLow wrote:I most looking for to Stacey King no longer babying Wendell whenever he gets a rebound or makes a shot..."There ya go, Wendell!!!"
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Post#616 » by gobullschi » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:59 pm

My biggest concern with Vucevic is that he is the type of player that helps you win regular season games, but come playoff time, teams attack him in the pick and roll and on switches.
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Post#617 » by MrFortune3 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:05 pm

ArtMorte wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
erasmusmrr wrote:Carter was just the #7 pick a few years ago.



Yes he was and that is the evidence that First Round Picks don't mean much. One in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. Poor Orlando.


The Pelicans currently have a 1st overall pick (Zion) and two 2nd overall picks in their roster (Lonzo & Ingram). They're below .500 and on course to miss the playoffs. Just further evidence how fans shouldn't overrate picks.


That's why I have said more and more recently that having a bunch of young guys on a team, no matter how talented is not always ideal. You have to develop guys and mix in vets for the payoff to be where it should be.
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Post#618 » by PaKii94 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:07 pm

coldfish wrote:


The great thing about these highlights is it shows he had the passing from early on in his career. He just has a natural feel
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Post#619 » by CaPiTanAK » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:07 pm

ArtMorte wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
erasmusmrr wrote:Carter was just the #7 pick a few years ago.



Yes he was and that is the evidence that First Round Picks don't mean much. One in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. Poor Orlando.


The Pelicans currently have a 1st overall pick (Zion) and two 2nd overall picks in their roster (Lonzo & Ingram). They're below .500 and on course to miss the playoffs. Just further evidence how fans shouldn't overrate picks.


And Vucevic wasn’t a lottery pick.

There is more to improving the team than praying for lottery balls and drafting busts.
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Post#620 » by chefo » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:11 pm

jake_swivel wrote:
coldfish wrote:


NVs creativity level isn’t anywhere close to Jokic’s. I only mention that because you and chefo were saying NV was going to be putting up comparable stat lines. And I know you didn’t mean over the course of the season, but if Vuc sniffs 5 assists a game, I’ll be shocked. Those were good, but standard post passes.

Good trade, though.


He doesn't have to be as good as the Joker. My take is if you give high-end talent enough touches in a place where they can make something happen, they will.

People don't really understand how C-heavy our O was pre-trade. Thad gets more touches per minute played than Vuc (!). He did very well with his touches. WCJ got as many touches as Vuc (!) per minute played. If you extrapolate Thad's touches to Vuc, he'll see a 10% bump in touches per minute. That's all theoretical, of course.

But I live in Orlando, and have watched a lot of games over the years. That team has been so devoid of offensive talent outside of Vuc and Fournier for so long, it's a miracle Vuc managed to drag them to the PO a couple of times. Lauri is a better scorer than anybody he's ever played with outside of Fournier. Zach is by FAR the best scorer he's ever played with in his career.

My point is, if he keeps getting 34 min / game or close to it, and his touches go north of 80 to 85-ish (which is how many touches Thad would get, if he could play 34 min), he will put up some insane stat lines. Not every game, of course, but there will be some eye-popping ones for sure.

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