It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[leper-con]

This is actually a fantastic series of moves, and Zarren should be applauded. These moves, while also being a symbol of admitting mistakes, is a huge step in the right direction to rectifying them.

Avoiding repeater tax, and recouping some productivity AND the ability to sign another player with bird rights totally is a huge deal for a depleted team like ours.

I fully expect Danny to resign Fournier long term.

Thank you Zarren for this personnel

You are right this is /was a capologists related moves. The numbers to make these deals work are a stats guys dream.

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/what-we-can-take-away-luke-kornets-fraught-first-season-bulls

[CelticsLV]

Barring a miracle this team has no path to contention anyway. At this point you just do something to try and improve the team around Brown, Tatum. Fournier fills the void left by Hayward. Everyone wanted Rob to play more so the center rotation was adjusted by dumping a center who will not be resigned.

[Marvel]

Danny's grade: lol

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Is this the beal thread?

Yes

[MagicBagley18]

Is this the beal thread?

Yes

It’s on baby thanks for the perso-an na na le

[JHTruth]

If they didn’t need to get rid of Theis why did they then?

Kick the can. He was gone in the offseason, no one wanted TT. Create another TPE. More minutes for Rob.

It was time to turn the page

[LarryBirdsFingr]

This is actually a fantastic series of moves, and Zarren should be applauded. These moves, while also being a symbol of admitting mistakes, is a huge step in the right direction to rectifying them.

Avoiding repeater tax, and recouping some productivity AND the ability to sign another player with bird rights totally is a huge deal for a depleted team like ours.

I fully expect Danny to resign Fournier long term.

Thank you Zarren for this personnel

You are right this is /was a capologists related moves. The numbers to make these deals work are a stats guys dream.

It's incredibly impressive work and frankly why dudes like.zarren get paid. Only a few guys mentioned Fournier to me and I personally brushed it off as nonsense. Guess it makes lots of sense!

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Captain_Caveman]

This is actually a fantastic series of moves, and Zarren should be applauded. These moves, while also being a symbol of admitting mistakes, is a huge step in the right direction to rectifying them.

Avoiding repeater tax, and recouping some productivity AND the ability to sign another player with bird rights totally is a huge deal for a depleted team like ours.

I fully expect Danny to resign Fournier long term.

Thank you Zarren for this personnel

You are right this is /was a capologists related moves. The numbers to make these deals work are a stats guys dream.

It's incredibly impressive work and frankly why dudes like.zarren get paid. Only a few guys mentioned Fournier to me and I personally brushed it off as nonsense. Guess it makes lots of sense!

I'm curious as to why we didn't go with Gordon given his price tag.

[hugepatsfan]

We used the TPE, at least. Hype aside, they’re almost never used - and if you look at the players making 27.5 or less next season, pickings were slim. Our only hope would have been absorbing a free agent..

Still, this feels like it was the time to strike, to overpay if necessary. Gordon, Collins, Ball are difference makers. You can’t give up two 1sts for Gordon/Fournier? How many young players do you need? And it’s much easier to find a player who gives you high caliber defense like Smart than a big with the offensive versatility of Collins.

We’re just stuck now with no way to get better but internal development. Are we going into the tax next year for Fournier? We have no filler contracts to pair with young players, we burned the TPE, we apparently can’t afford to trade Smart, Kemba is currently dead weight.

We were in the tax next year no matter what. Here's our cap sheet for '21-22:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2021/

We are at $132.6M in salaries with 11 players. If we didn't use our first rounder and signed 4 rookie minimums along with letting Fournier, Semi, Theis all walk without using the MLE then we could have avoided the tax next year. Or paid assets to dump Thompson's last year. There's ways around it.

I do not believe that will be the mind set though. Remember, this is a tea that was willing to pay Hayward in the range of $25M/year to stay in this long term picture. Granted, some of that would be offset by no Thompson in that scenario, but still that would have been committing to the tax for '21-22 and even '22-23.

The key has always been avoiding it THIS YEAR. Because doing so means no repeater tax rates to ever have to worry about before Kemba's deal expires and offers financial relieif. A Hayward deal on the reported numbers would have allowed us to squeak under. Today's moves do the same. I've been saying for a while that the master plan always seems to have been to avoid the tax this year, and then be full-on aggressive in '21-22 and '22-23. Because after that, Kemba is off the books and we're back to a normal payroll.

I'd expect us to be a pretty deep luxury tax team in '21-22 and '22-23. I think you'll see us use bird rights to extend Fournier. We still have $11M on the Hayward TPE. That's enough for the following players: Larry Nance Jr., Kyle Anderson, as well as obviously rookie scale guys. Also have the Kanter and Theis TPEs. We'll be able to use our MLE. We have our bi-annual exception too even. Thompson's expiring deal is more usable in a trade than he is now while he's multi-year.

In summary, I think without luxury tax implication to worry about, you'll see a lot more veteran players here. I think Ainge will be able to be more aggressive packaging the young players in deals. I think we'll see a more veteran roster next year. The luxury tax implications of this year have always been hanging over our heads.

[Edug27]

Kemba, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, RWill...

Bench of Smart, Pritchard, Tristan, Semi, and maybe snag a buyout or 2.

Let's get to that 5 seed and have a fun first round playoff series.

[fallguy]

Really it all comes down to being able to move Kemba without attaching major assets.

Pray for his playoff performance.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

You are right this is /was a capologists related moves. The numbers to make these deals work are a stats guys dream.

It's incredibly impressive work and frankly why dudes like.zarren get paid. Only a few guys mentioned Fournier to me and I personally brushed it off as nonsense. Guess it makes lots of sense!

I'm curious as to why we didn't go with Gordon given his price tag.

They probably spoke with Fournier about long term goals and plans, and he probably will resign. Gordon is sort of a dumbass and I'm fine with him not being here. Fournier is savvy.

[themoneyteam2]

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He keeps saying this but won’t explain lol. If they get off Kemba’s contract (yes I know attach a 1st to it), won’t they have flexibility and can make some small moves to open up a max spot?

I know Beal is a FA after next year so maybe that’s their target?

The current roster has no path to contention yes but maybe I’m just optimistic they won’t waste the 5 years of control with Brown and Tatum?

[snowman]

We used the TPE, at least. Hype aside, they’re almost never used - and if you look at the players making 27.5 or less next season, pickings were slim. Our only hope would have been absorbing a free agent..

Still, this feels like it was the time to strike, to overpay if necessary. Gordon, Collins, Ball are difference makers. You can’t give up two 1sts for Gordon/Fournier? How many young players do you need? And it’s much easier to find a player who gives you high caliber defense like Smart than a big with the offensive versatility of Collins.

We’re just stuck now with no way to get better but internal development. Are we going into the tax next year for Fournier? We have no filler contracts to pair with young players, we burned the TPE, we apparently can’t afford to trade Smart, Kemba is currently dead weight.

We are going into the tax whether we resign Fournier or not with Tatum's deal kicking in. Which means that we will probably resign Fournier, or Danny would not have spent 1/2 the TPE on him. I really like the Fournier addition and hope that is the plan to resign him.
We still have 11 mil of that TPE left, the 5 mil TPE from Kanter's trade and I maybe a TPE coming out of the Theis trsde, not sure about that. Depends on how they structure it.

I do hate losing Theis, but now Timelord can get more minutes which is good. Don't give up on Wagner to early guys. He is 6'11 and can hit the 3 decently. We also have time to see what PP, Langford, Nesmith can do now. So Wagner, Kornet, Semi and Fournier are all FA's next season, and we don't have to think about the repeater tax until after Kemba's contract is over. I guess this leaves us with:

Kemba, Prichard, Edwards, (Waters)
Fournier, Smart, Langford
Brown, Nesmith,
Tatum, Semi, G. Will
Thompson, Timelord, Wagner, Kornet (Fall)

Also, Kemba and Thompson are both 30, and the next oldest player is Smart at 27. Seems like a team to grow with. I am left with one question. If we are lookiong to sign a player off a buy out, who do we release to make room on the roster?

[themoneyteam2]

Kemba, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, RWill...

Bench of Smart, Pritchard, Tristan, Semi, and maybe snag a buyout or 2.

Let's get to that 5 seed and have a fun first round playoff series.

That’s basically the ECF roster from last year so anything could happen. Not banking on it but that’s the optimist in me lol

[zoyathedestroya]

If they didn’t need to get rid of Theis why did they then?

Three reasons -- we're not resigning him anyway, avoid double-big lineups, and open up more playing time for Timelord.

They probably couldn't find a taker for Thompson without giving up an additional asset.

But Theis is just basically just another FA who walked for nothing. Not even a 2nd round pick.

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://wizofawes.com/2020/02/12/washington-wizards-moe-wagner-star/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/02/16/moritz-wagner-wizards-starting-lineup/?outputType=amp

[Wes-J]

Tough one, I was hoping to add some defensive versatility in Gordon, that would of been a nice get.

Gordon and Fournier package would of been great. Think he's gonna thrive in his new role in Denver. Denver stole one.