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Re: Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner 

Post#161 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:55 pm

Theis is better than Mo easily.

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Post#162 » by Bulldog23 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:07 pm

Big fan of Troy Brown on the Bulls. He is a versatile 2-3 that can handle the ball, shoot, pass and rebound. He basically got squeezed out of the line up in Washington. He is a great pick up for the Bulls off the bench. I see him as a young Wil Barton. Looking forward to seeing how he plays with the Bulls in lineups with Patrick Williams, Lavine, and Coby. I am hoping that Williams and Brown can be a nice tandem in some rotations off the bench with Coby.
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Re: Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner 

Post#163 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:43 pm

BeKuK wrote:In fact we got 2 players here for one since Hutch was more than done with the Bulls. Both players are worth to get minutes.....I even like Mo Wagner. 5 times better than Felicio and Kornet.

Can we get rid of Felicio now......PLEASE



I think Felicio might be cut now he has no possible value after the deadline.
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Post#164 » by MrSparkle » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:54 pm

Somebody still slap me. Did we really keep our top-4 picks, while exchanging DNP/I'm-injured/I-can't-make-layups Otto/Hutch/Kornet/Wendell/Gafford for Vuc/Aminu/Theiss and some young guy who can apparently dribble and pass a basketball?

We just switched 5 NBL players for a couple of NBA playoff starters.

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Re: Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner 

Post#165 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:55 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:This seems like a mostly irrelevant trade to me.



Its a system and fit type trade. Hutch was not going to play for us again. AK helped build Denver by getting the right guys together, and this is what he is attempting to do here. Get players in that he wants. Will it work? Thats to be seen, but this is a good move regardless because Hutch was not going to play for us and Gafford wasn't a good fit. I expect this team to look more like the Nuggets who are built off of a Passing Center and a scoring SG and a bunch of guys who know their job on the court. Starting to look pretty similar already.
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Post#166 » by Jeffster81 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:08 pm

So WASH asked for Lauri, the Bulls responded with a 1st in return and the Wizs balked.
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Post#167 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:17 pm

Fantastic trade.


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Post#168 » by DJhitek » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:50 pm

In retrospect, what a disaster the Hutch pick was. From the promise we gave him as the 22nd or so pick, to the injuries to the lack of development. Wish the best for him but Hutch is not an NBA player and getting anything for him is a win IMO.
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Re: Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner 

Post#169 » by jordanwilliams6 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:28 pm

DJhitek wrote:In retrospect, what a disaster the Hutch pick was. From the promise we gave him as the 22nd or so pick, to the injuries to the lack of development. Wish the best for him but Hutch is not an NBA player and getting anything for him is a win IMO.

He was the end result of that clusterf**k of a year where we blew our chance to tank properly. We should've traded Mirotic earlier which would've landed us a chance to grab someone other than WCJ. That part of the season was where it all went wrong.
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Re: Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner 

Post#170 » by Red8911 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:31 pm

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BeKuK wrote:In fact we got 2 players here for one since Hutch was more than done with the Bulls. Both players are worth to get minutes.....I even like Mo Wagner. 5 times better than Felicio and Kornet.

Can we get rid of Felicio now......PLEASE



I think Felicio might be cut now he has no possible value after the deadline.

Poor Felicio no one wants him lol. Bulls are down to 3 centers now so they would need to sign another big if they were to cut him .
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Re: Woj: Gafford & Hutchison to Washington for Troy Brown & Mo Wagner 

Post#171 » by fleet » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:33 pm

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NBA Comparison: Caris LeVert/Steve Smith

Strengths: All-around player with serious versatility on both ends … Big time athlete/high-flyer … Perfect size/length to play the wing position at the next level … Solid 6’6” frame … Has a near 7-foot wingspan … Quick first step/good footspeed overall … Possesses good quickness and agility, which he shows off well on the perimeter … Strong passer/playmaking wing … Has unique point-forward ball skills and vision … Played point guard in high school so he still has the ability to initiate offense … Reads the floor well … Can execute tough passes … Can deliver the ball quickly and accurately … Tight handle … Can create in space … Comfortable running the pick-and-roll … Makes plays for himself and his teammates off the bounce … Likes to put the ball on the floor at attack closeouts … Goes straight at the defense … Doesn’t have elite burst but makes good use of his long strides to get downhill … Natural scorer … Majority of his points come from the mid-range and inside … Can post-up smaller matchups … Has a nice fade-away jumper in the mid-range area … Can got his shot off against most defenders … Has a solid touch on his floaters and runners in traffic … Doesn’t force the action inside … Solid defender who could bring a lot of versatility at the next level defending multiple positions … Can be a pesky defender … Fights through screens … He can stay with quicker guards with his lateral quickness and guard big men in the post area with his size … Does well at denying the ball and plays passing lanes well … Knows where to be when playing off the ball … Good rebounder for his size … Crashes the offensive glass consistently … High IQ … Good basketball instincts/nose for the ball … Always seems to be part of the play … Has a high motor … Very outgoing and personable kid … Very young. Won’t turn 19 until July 28th …

Weaknesses: Long and wiry athlete but needs to continue developing his strength … Not super explosive vertically … Average burst off the bounce … Finishing at the rim/through contact are areas that he needs to work on … Solid handle but it’s not good enough for him to be primary ball handler and creator at the next level … Needs to continue developing his jumper/shooting range … He’s not a threat from the outside, as his jumper it still too inconsistent … Although he has nice shooting mechanics, he doesn’t shoot the ball the same way every time … Sometimes brings ball down on his shot, which delays his release … Can be too passive on the offensive end … Shot selection … Can get caught playing wild and out of control … Sometimes forces unnecessary passes … Has a tendency to stop in the middle of traffic on his drives, which leads to turnovers … Needs to react more quickly to rotating defenses … Needs to be more aggressive and assertive …Takes himself out of the game offensively if he doesn’t start well … More of sound team defender than consistent lockdown defender …


Overall: Brown, who will still be 18 years old by draft night, has all the tools to be a very good NBA player … There are some questions about what his role could be in the NBA, but he figures to be a solid prospective two-way athlete … Brown is smart and skilled with an abundance of all-round skills that should translate … His jumper and adding strength are two areas that he really needs to develop moving forward … But his NBA-ready frame, rebounding and defensive potential will give him opportunities to see the floor as he works on other parts of his game …

Notes: Measured 6’6, 210 lbs with a 6’11 wingspan and 8’9 standing reach at the 2017 Nike Hoop Summit … Measured at 6’5, 187 lbs, with a 6’9 wingspan at the 2014 Nike Elite 100 … Measured 6’6 (in shoes) 184 lbs, with a 6’8 wingspan at the 2014 LeBron James Skills Academy … Measured 6’4 without shoes, 6’5 with shoes, 185 lbs, with a 6’8.5 wingspan and 8’7 standing reach at the 2014 USA Junior National Team Mini Camp … Measured 6’6.5’’ in shoes, with a 6’8’’ wingspan and 199 lbs at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy …

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Strengths: 6’6 combo guard … Good size and length for position with a 6’11 wingspan and 8’9 standing reach … Plays well in both the half court and open floor. Plays at different speeds … Can score from multiple spots on the floor and showed noticeable improvement in his three-point shooting his senior year … Serves as a floor general; directs traffic and sets the pace for the game. Can get to the rim off the dribble. Breaks down the defense without over dribbling. Plays very under control and doesn’t try to do too much. Plays well in isolation … Uses his size advantage over smaller guards in the post … Very instinctive player with a good basketball IQ. Nothing about his game is predetermined. Reads and reacts very well. Can make his counter move better than his initial move after it gets cut off. Good court vision and passing ability. Good playmaking ability for himself and teammates. Knows where he’s making the play before he receives the ball. Recognizes mismatches and will exploit weak links in the defense. Doesn’t overcomplicate the game, will stick with what’s working. Highly unselfish and makes the extra pass. Makes an impact without scoring. Doesn’t get discouraged if he’s not the one taking the shots. Can turn it on as a scorer when needed but lets the game come to him … Doesn’t take plays off and is a willing defender. Can defend guards and wings … Plays and moves well on and off the ball … Good rebounder for position … Can impact the game in multiple categories with his versatility. Naturally has a multidimensional game … Has good explosive ability that he uses when needed but doesn’t rely on and knows how to translate it into the game … Good character and personality off the floor. Very coachable and good teammate … Brown had a very good set of All-American games and practices, while they aren’t the best settings to get an evaluation, he was able to show improved aggression and shooting. Looks to have found the right balance of playing assertive but also unselfish … Young for his class, graduated high school at 17 …

Weaknesses: Doesn’t have the best lateral quickness on defense … Shows athletic ability in spurts but isn’t a freak athlete … Doesn’t finish that well in traffic, can get bothered by length and contact. Needs to secure the ball better when driving … Showed improvement in his shooting but still be more consistent … Through much of his high school career, he showed to be a bit passive, letting the game come to him too much to the point he can fade out from the offensive scheme if teammates aren’t running it through him …

Outlook: Incoming Oregon freshman … Played in the McDonald’s All-American Game, Jordan Brand Classic, and Nike Hoop Summit … Brown made a name for himself early in his high school career. While some seem to have cooled off on him, he remains a high-level prospect … Averaged 16 points and 8.3 rebounds per game over the Nike EYBL …

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Post#172 » by Red8911 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:34 pm

DJhitek wrote:In retrospect, what a disaster the Hutch pick was. From the promise we gave him as the 22nd or so pick, to the injuries to the lack of development. Wish the best for him but Hutch is not an NBA player and getting anything for him is a win IMO.

Funny part is Gar/ Pax promised to draft him at 15 when the guy was projected to be selected in the second round. What a fail lol. He actually had the perfect size and body to be successful but can’t score at all, then followed by the constant injuries made him useless.
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Post#173 » by TheFinishSniper » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:43 pm

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DJhitek wrote:In retrospect, what a disaster the Hutch pick was. From the promise we gave him as the 22nd or so pick, to the injuries to the lack of development. Wish the best for him but Hutch is not an NBA player and getting anything for him is a win IMO.

Funny part is Gar/ Pax promised to draft him at 15 when the guy was projected to be selected in the second round. What a fail lol. He actually had the perfect size and body to be successful but can’t score at all, then followed by the constant injuries made him useless.

I watched multiple games of Hutch on college due early promise Bulls were rumoured taking him. And I saw potential. He was playmaking wing who was developing as shooter. In NBA he never got chance to handle ball and do same even as secondary. Usually relegated to corner 3's and cuts. Bulls overall lacked playmaking all this years. I mean we could have try give him some offense running, but that's pretty much it. Later injuries happened and something recently where he wasnt available.

But overall i just wanna say most of picks Bulls picked over last few years all played completely different role they played on college. And neither of them truly adapted to NBA game, learned new role, picked up new skill except Lauri. Maybe that's why he is still on this team. That's why I am not hurt about moving from anyone we got rid off in trade deadline. And I wont be hurt when Coby White is moved too. And I wont be hurt if PWill is traded in 2 years if he doesnt get better.
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Post#174 » by StunnerKO » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:15 am

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Post#175 » by bad knees » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:04 am

Another benefit of this trade: we continue to have a Jr. on the team. After trading WCJ and OPJ to Orl, the cupboard was bare. Important to honor the ancestors. Welcome aboard, TBJ.
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Post#176 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:07 am

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BeKuK wrote:In fact we got 2 players here for one since Hutch was more than done with the Bulls. Both players are worth to get minutes.....I even like Mo Wagner. 5 times better than Felicio and Kornet.

Can we get rid of Felicio now......PLEASE



I think Felicio might be cut now he has no possible value after the deadline.

Poor Felicio no one wants him lol. Bulls are down to 3 centers now so they would need to sign another big if they were to cut him .



Vonleh would work.
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Post#177 » by Cabbage bulls » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:17 am

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Post#178 » by Indomitable » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:29 am

Jeffster81 wrote:So WASH asked for Lauri, the Bulls responded with a 1st in return and the Wizs balked.

Where did you hear these?
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Post#179 » by Mk0 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:08 am

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Jeffster81 wrote:So WASH asked for Lauri, the Bulls responded with a 1st in return and the Wizs balked.

Where did you hear these?

It was in reference to this tweet in the Lauri thread,
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Post#180 » by Grodoboldo » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:16 am

Look, I don't know WTF is happening in Washington.

But tell me



How the **** do they give this guy up for Hutchinson and Gafford??? Oh, and they also actually gave us cash for it!!!!!!!

They're bad. Like, REALLY bad!!!! Even if TBJ regressed a bit, there's a good player here, they should have tried harder to develop him.
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