Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

[Muzbar]

I feel like I've read through all these pages regarding this trade so forgive me but where was it mentioned that the picks were top 4 protected?

Not that I'm doubting I just haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.

(I did see somewhere about the '21 pick being top 4 protected but not the '23 pick).

KC reported it. Might be on his Twitter.

Thanks, yep it was on KC's Twitter, just found it.

Pretty happy with the protections, even though they'll likely convey, but if something happens at least they're covered.

[thedarkstark]

If Donovan sticks with the same system we've been running all year (give the ball to big man in the high post, let him hit the cutters) Vucevic is going to average near double digit assists for us. WCJ and Gafford were terrible decision makers, small hands, constantly fumbling the ball.

Vuc is an excellent passer, he's going to make the right reads and feed guys like Pat and Thad for a lot of easy buckets. Because he's a big time threat to pull up or put the ball on the floor he's probably going to get shooters like Coby and Lauri a lot of open looks.

[bearadonisdna]

Magic fan, You guys are going to love Vooch... He was the most argued player among our fanbase but he's mad respected around the City Beautiful, some Magic fans are stunned because we thought for sure the management would have him stick around with Isaac/Fultz. Very good ball player and even better human being... give y'all an heads up, he hates the nickname VucciMane lol, he prefers Vooch. Gonna watch the Bulls for sure... that PnR with Lavine/Vooch is going to be lethal.

If I were a Magic fan I would hate your FO. They were completely fleeced here. The draft picks don’t have much value because they are top 4 protected and Vucevic is ten times the player Carter Jr. will ever be. No idea how the Bulls FO pulled this one off. It’s nice to finally be on the winning side of a trade for once as a Bulls fan.

Carter may convey there. , I remember when I used to pick up vuc in fantasy as a nominal 10-10 guy who was actually pretty solid. Now he is a legit all star averaging 24.5 ppg .

Carter is actually an offensive savant compared to what MoBamba was supposed to be.

[HouseOfLight]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

[The Box Office]

Not to sound melodramatic but I'm going through the worst time in my life right now. This trade has got me excited.

It sucks to hear, but I understand. Been there. Still there LOL. The Bulls are still not done though. Wait and see this Summer. It will get more interesting. In the mean time, I'm trying to enjoy the present.

[The Box Office]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I get the excitement, but let's not rush to criticize the Orlando Magic.

People were criticizing us for trading Jimmy Butler. Orlando HAD to trade Vooch because the Magic is a true dumpster fire. They cannot build around Vooch because Vooch is 30 years old. The current surrounding pieces are awful. If Vooch was 25-27 then Orlando is definitely not trading him. The Magic did Vooch a favor by trading him away to a team that is in a better position, for now and the rest of Vooch's years, which is 4 more seasons at max.

We only have Vooch for 2 full seasons after this season ends. He'll be 32 years old when he becomes UFA. Are we gonna re-sign him? If not, gotta trade him. We'll see how the rest of this season and next season goes.

[WestsideResider]

It’s legit cool as hell to see this board so active and positive again.

[HouseOfLight]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I get the excitement, but let's not rush to criticize the Orlando Magic.

People were criticizing us for trading Jimmy Butler. Orlando HAD to trade Vooch because the Magic is a true dumpster fire. They cannot build around Vooch because Vooch is 30 years old. The current surrounding pieces are awful. If Vooch was 25-27 then Orlando is definitely not trading him. The Magic did Vooch a favor by trading him away to a team that is in a better position, for now and the rest of Vooch's years, which is 4 more seasons at max.

We only have Vooch for 2 full seasons after this season ends. He'll be 32 years old when he becomes UFA. Are we gonna re-sign him? If not, gotta trade him. We'll see how the rest of this season and next season goes.

The magic got worked. They traded Vooch because they are rotten to their core & botched trying to build around him. They had to trade him, but shouldn’t have had to do this, and they could’ve gotten a WWWAAAYYY better haul than what the Bulls got. You can tell this was AK slowly & subtly courting them until there was blood in the water. It was a masterful move

Vooch is a late bloomer who is still on the rise as a player. Literally nothing the Bulls gave up for him will likely ever amount to anything as good as Vooch himself. They got a top 20 player in his prime for nothing. Draft picks are largely meaningless nowadays.

[The Box Office]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I get the excitement, but let's not rush to criticize the Orlando Magic.

People were criticizing us for trading Jimmy Butler. Orlando HAD to trade Vooch because the Magic is a true dumpster fire. They cannot build around Vooch because Vooch is 30 years old. The current surrounding pieces are awful. If Vooch was 25-27 then Orlando is definitely not trading him. The Magic did Vooch a favor by trading him away to a team that is in a better position, for now and the rest of Vooch's years, which is 4 more seasons at max.

We only have Vooch for 2 full seasons after this season ends. He'll be 32 years old when he becomes UFA. Are we gonna re-sign him? If not, gotta trade him. We'll see how the rest of this season and next season goes.

The magic got worked. They traded Vooch because they are rotten to their core & botched trying to build around him. They had to trade him, but shouldn’t have had to do this, and they could’ve gotten a WWWAAAYYY better haul than what the Bulls got. You can tell this was AK slowly & subtly courting them until there was blood in the water. It was a masterful move

Vooch is a late bloomer who is still on the rise as a player. Literally nothing the Bulls gave up for him will likely ever amount to anything as good as Vooch himself. They got a top 20 player in his prime for nothing. Draft picks are largely meaningless nowadays.

You just repeated my sentiments. For the rest of your stuff, you're speculating. Waaay better haul from elsewhere? Where? How do you know? Do you have any definitive proof? Were they including 2 first round picks? What teams? What were their terms?

Blood in the water? Some of us knew back in early February (including me) before the trade happened. What if Vooch gets badly injured? Getting Vooch is great. It would have been masterful if Vooch was 27 years old though. I hate to say it, but I'm already reading perspectives from the other side of this trade. Some people are criticizing us.

Remember, we only have Vooch for 2 full years before he becomes UFA. We're going to have to see how this pans out.

[BeKuK]

It’s legit cool as hell to see this board so active and positive again.

And the FO only needed half a day to make this happen

[TheGOATRises007]

Still can't believe we pulled off a trade like this.

Really excited to watch our next game and our season play out!

[WindyCityBorn]

Reinsdorf, is that you?

Regarding the poor drafting, that should be taken care of with AK.

There is more to improving the team than GarPax garbage way of standing pat, hoping for lottery balls, and drafting busts.

Lastly, players nowadays are dictating destinations as FAs. Focus on winning and building a winning culture. Cont to have some projects for developmental reasons. Cont to draft players that are fit into our winning culture. Excellent strong start by AK. Literally two middle first rounders for an All Star center.

A 30 year old all star center in a game where big men are less important than ever, except defensively. Unfortunately he's not a great defensive anchor.

I know doing something is exciting, but I don't feel better about the Bulls odds of winning a championship any time soon because of this move. That is the objective, lest we forget.

We haven’t won **** in almost 25 years. I have no interest in waiting 5 more years to see if some teenagers pan out. And everyone isn’t like you only and satisfied with a championship. Not sure how you are still a Bulls fan tbh. I guess sucking and have hoping of a lottery miracle is better than actually having fun enjoying games for you.

[WindyCityBorn]

C - Theis
PF - Vooch
SF - ???
SG - Zach
PG - Sato

We have four legit NBA starters in our starting lineup now! Yes!!!

And we have TWO legit NBA starters on the bench...
Thad
Lauri



For a franchise that has been so low on talent for the last few years, this is straight fire!!!!

gl with that vooch theis and theis is expiring btw. might have to temper down your expectations.

This move is perfect for Lauri outside the potential defensive issues which I think could work out. You should be happy. He wasn’t good enough to be a 2nd option, but he might thrive as a 3rd option with Vuc and Zach taking so much attention. That is if he stays aggressive cutting and attacking the rim.

[erlim]

Watch on YouTube

ESPN still thinks the Bulls are irredeemable garbage. They love the Aaron Gordon to Nuggs trade though.

[WindyCityBorn]

This was funny. As if Vuc is a "long term fit" with anyone - he could be retired or playing in Spain in 3-4 years.

Read on Twitter

In the NBA you don’t look past 5 years. Markkanen will have defensive compatibility issues with every center outside of maybe Gobert, Embiid and Allen.

[DJhitek]

Slept on it, still dislike the trade. I’ll be more receptive to the product on the floor but I just can’t get past giving up two first rounders for a center. Not good business IMO.

[WindyCityBorn]

Watch on YouTube

NVs creativity level isn’t anywhere close to Jokic’s. I only mention that because you and chefo were saying NV was going to be putting up comparable stat lines. And I know you didn’t mean over the course of the season, but if Vuc sniffs 5 assists a game, I’ll be shocked. Those were good, but standard post passes.

Good trade, though.

He averages 4 now on terrible team. He could easily get 5 playing with Zach. Hell our offense is making Thad look like a point center.

[Jstock12]

Slept on it, still dislike the trade. I’ll be more receptive to the product on the floor but I just can’t get past giving up two first rounders for a center. Not good business IMO.

WCJ was a 1st rounder. Look at it as giving up WCJ + WCJ + WCJ for an All-Star 20/10 center who can shoot threes.

[WindyCityBorn]

Curious who BD pairs with Vuc in the starting line-up: Thad or Lauri.

It will be Lauri. The Bulls are now the Nuggets east, a bit. Thad will come in for Lauri midway through the 1st as the Bulls will ride Vucevic I'd imagine for long stretches. He's in good shape and knows how to protect himself, that's another bonus -- he's durable and handling 35 minutes in a night in Orlando.

With Theis we could probably get away with playing him around 30 minutes a night. It will be a grueling April.

[WindyCityBorn]

Right now Tankathon has the Bulls drafting at #10 (2021 draft). I assume we climb up the standings a bit, but how high? 12th? 14th? ??

Last year #12 was Tyrese Halliburton and #14 was Aaron Nesmith.

In 2019 #12 was P.J. Washington and #14 was Romeo Langford.

There should be good players for Orlando to pick, but most likely not a star.

The other pick that the Bulls gave up (2023) is too far out for me to guess how that will turn out.

It's a good trade for the Bulls.

We should not be in the lottery at all if the team meshes quickly.