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Re: It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread 

Post#441 » by sportfan6197 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:56 am

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If this is a go no where team then why trade for Fournier?

Can't argue both sides of this coin my friend.

I like the Fournier move but the Theis move is crazy.

If they are really not feeling this season, then reboot in the off-season and actually use the TPE on someone who's gonna be here.

And we just went from thin in the middle to invisible.

I like Rwill but he has trouble staying healthy.

Theis was a reeeeally weird move. If it was luxury tax related then just stand pat and play out the string.


Because they want to be a good team? The issue is the repeater tax on a team that its currently poised to be $20m into the tax next year, not the prorated remainder of Fournier's contract.

Are there really multiple people arguing against this?


Because they want to be a good team when?

Your whole point about Theis is why pay the tax because the team ISN'T good.

I'm not arguing against making sound financial decisions but the Theis move obliterates our interior defense which was already a huge weakness.

It's like not eating dinner because you're not hungry but then eating a whole cake....I thought you weren't hungry.

Fournier is a nice player and we got him for a song but his salary is so high that it forced us to get rid of our only reliable big.

Unless there's another move coming, we are going to get absolutely destroyed in the middle. So if the move to get Fournier is to make us better, I'm not seeing it. Not because of Fournier but because of Theis.

If maintaining the future tax situation was the goal, then just play out the season, play the youngs to increase their value, and save the TPE for the off season.

Don't eat the whole cake if you said you weren't hungry....That's all I'm saying


The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?
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Post#442 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:02 pm

Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba
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Post#443 » by winsomme2 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:06 pm

sportfan6197 wrote:
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Because they want to be a good team? The issue is the repeater tax on a team that its currently poised to be $20m into the tax next year, not the prorated remainder of Fournier's contract.

Are there really multiple people arguing against this?


Because they want to be a good team when?

Your whole point about Theis is why pay the tax because the team ISN'T good.

I'm not arguing against making sound financial decisions but the Theis move obliterates our interior defense which was already a huge weakness.

It's like not eating dinner because you're not hungry but then eating a whole cake....I thought you weren't hungry.

Fournier is a nice player and we got him for a song but his salary is so high that it forced us to get rid of our only reliable big.

Unless there's another move coming, we are going to get absolutely destroyed in the middle. So if the move to get Fournier is to make us better, I'm not seeing it. Not because of Fournier but because of Theis.

If maintaining the future tax situation was the goal, then just play out the season, play the youngs to increase their value, and save the TPE for the off season.

Don't eat the whole cake if you said you weren't hungry....That's all I'm saying


The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?



But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.
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Post#444 » by JediMasterRevan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:09 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba



How terrible would that be, honestly. We need to get Timelord, well heck, all the young guys heavy minutes this season as internal growth is now going to be the number 1 factor in reaching championship status.

Drummond starting would put Timelord back in the lineup behind Thompson and Drummond. And possibly Grant Williams as Brad loves him some dino arms.



On a side note, is it possible for Mo to play Power Forward off the bench? That would/should push Grant deeper down the depth chart.
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Post#445 » by winsomme2 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:09 pm

So if we sign Drummond does that put us back into the tax?
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Post#446 » by Fantaxp7 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:17 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba



How terrible would that be, honestly. We need to get Timelord, well heck, all the young guys heavy minutes this season as internal growth is now going to be the number 1 factor in reaching championship status.

Drummond starting would put Timelord back in the lineup behind Thompson and Drummond. And possibly Grant Williams as Brad loves him some dino arms.



On a side note, is it possible for Mo to play Power Forward off the bench? That would/should push Grant deeper down the depth chart.


Timelord's health is still a question mark and would be nice to have an effective scoring big.

Thompson drives me nuts most games...Wouldn't be too disappointed if trying out Drummond is something we do for cheap to shake things up.
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Post#447 » by JediMasterRevan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:21 pm

Fantaxp7 wrote:
JediMasterRevan wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba



How terrible would that be, honestly. We need to get Timelord, well heck, all the young guys heavy minutes this season as internal growth is now going to be the number 1 factor in reaching championship status.

Drummond starting would put Timelord back in the lineup behind Thompson and Drummond. And possibly Grant Williams as Brad loves him some dino arms.



On a side note, is it possible for Mo to play Power Forward off the bench? That would/should push Grant deeper down the depth chart.


Timelord's health is still a question mark and would be nice to have an effective scoring big.

Thompson drives me nuts most games...Wouldn't be too disappointed if trying out Drummond is something we do for cheap to shake things up.



Terrible.

He and Kemba as your point of defense and the backbone of the defense? Team would be one of, if not the worst, defensive team in the NBA
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Post#448 » by moonie_mcgee » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:28 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba


Was thinking that too but they didn't overlap and play together.
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Post#449 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:31 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba


Probably Olynyk or G Dieng but either one is better than Luke Kornet.

Don’t see the Celtics getting LMA or Drummond because they can’t offer much, their record sucks and there are better places weather wise that they can choose.

LMA - Miami
Drummond - LA, Brk, NYK
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Post#450 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:33 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba



How terrible would that be, honestly. We need to get Timelord, well heck, all the young guys heavy minutes this season as internal growth is now going to be the number 1 factor in reaching championship status.

Drummond starting would put Timelord back in the lineup behind Thompson and Drummond. And possibly Grant Williams as Brad loves him some dino arms.



On a side note, is it possible for Mo to play Power Forward off the bench? That would/should push Grant deeper down the depth chart.


A) Mo isnt going to play
B) i dont want to start Drummond, but Ainge has been infatuated for years
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Post#451 » by JediMasterRevan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:39 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
JediMasterRevan wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba



How terrible would that be, honestly. We need to get Timelord, well heck, all the young guys heavy minutes this season as internal growth is now going to be the number 1 factor in reaching championship status.

Drummond starting would put Timelord back in the lineup behind Thompson and Drummond. And possibly Grant Williams as Brad loves him some dino arms.



On a side note, is it possible for Mo to play Power Forward off the bench? That would/should push Grant deeper down the depth chart.


A) Mo isnt going to play
B) i dont want to start Drummond, but Ainge has been infatuated for years



a) Ugh. more grant williams then. puke
b) so thinking Drummond off the bench with Thompson? Cause the team has to play him or he will become a locker room distraction.
Thinking Thompson at pf and drummond at center off the bench?
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Post#452 » by JediMasterRevan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:44 pm

Comparing Mo to Grant:
Height: Adv Mo
Wingspan: adv Mo
Speed: Adv Mo
Scoring: Adv Mo
Rebounding: Adv Mo
Passing: Adv Mo
Ball Handling: Adv Mo
Turnovers: Adv Mo
Blocks: Adv Mo
Steals: Adv mo
Defense win share: Adv mo
Defensive BPM: Adv Mo
Offensive Win Share: Adv Mo
Offensive OPM: Adv Mo
Win Shares :Adv Mo
VORP: Adv Mo
FG%: Adv Mo






3pt%: Adv Grant



I think you have to play Mo, at least more than Grant. There is nothing that grant is better at than mo other than hitting open 3 pointers.

Wagner and Thompson off the bench should work instead of adding Drummond.
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Post#453 » by Marley2Hendrix » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:47 pm

JediMasterRevan wrote:Comparing Mo to Grant:
Height: Adv Mo
Wingspan: adv Mo
Speed: Adv Mo
Scoring: Adv Mo
Rebounding: Adv Mo
Passing: Adv Mo
Ball Handling: Adv Mo
Turnovers: Adv Mo
Blocks: Adv Mo
Steals: Adv mo
Defense win share: Adv mo
Defensive BPM: Adv Mo
Offensive Win Share: Adv Mo
Offensive OPM: Adv Mo
Win Shares :Adv Mo
VORP: Adv Mo
FG%: Adv Mo






3pt%: Adv Grant



I think you have to play Mo, at least more than Grant. There is nothing that grant is better at than mo other than hitting open 3 pointers.

Wagner and Thompson off the bench should work instead of adding Drummond.


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Post#454 » by JediMasterRevan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:51 pm

Marley2Hendrix wrote:
JediMasterRevan wrote:Comparing Mo to Grant:
Height: Adv Mo
Wingspan: adv Mo
Speed: Adv Mo
Scoring: Adv Mo
Rebounding: Adv Mo
Passing: Adv Mo
Ball Handling: Adv Mo
Turnovers: Adv Mo
Blocks: Adv Mo
Steals: Adv mo
Defense win share: Adv mo
Defensive BPM: Adv Mo
Offensive Win Share: Adv Mo
Offensive OPM: Adv Mo
Win Shares :Adv Mo
VORP: Adv Mo
FG%: Adv Mo






3pt%: Adv Grant



I think you have to play Mo, at least more than Grant. There is nothing that grant is better at than mo other than hitting open 3 pointers.

Wagner and Thompson off the bench should work instead of adding Drummond.


Playing chess?


Probably Mo, got a name like someone you would expect to be awesome at chess.

Grant wins Settlers of Catan though
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Post#455 » by moonie_mcgee » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:58 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:I hate Drummond. If people hate TT this guy is going to be worse.


Well TT is our best post defender and rebounder. Coulda used him vs the Grizz as Val had 20 boards right. Drummond can definitely rebound. Celts need to rebound and get in transition more than we do. We have the players to do it.
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Post#456 » by CeltsFlow » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:00 pm

Read on Twitter


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Post#457 » by JediMasterRevan » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:03 pm

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Read on Twitter


Man, they didn't give Kornet a team flight?


I want our team to feel hope, our coach to feel hope.

That is pretty telling as to the state of the team. Danny doesnt have a **** clue.
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Post#458 » by BigTrade92 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:05 pm

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You're OK man, but I will take this opportunity to say that BigTrade92 has been against literally every big trade we have done in the last 10 years, lol.

Thanks man, but not really, plus they haven’t made many big trades aside from Irving which I rightfully hated as that guy was and still is a chump.

I was waiting for the big trade: Harden. Ainge pussed out.


Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

James Harden is signed for two years after this, not one. Harden is an MVP who’s playing at an extremely high level. To think he isn’t a guy you should trade for shows just how out of touch you are. :lol: The alternative is now a lost season that’s going to result in an embarrassing first round loss or potentially not making the playoffs...

Going be even funnier when Brown is out the door in only three years and this squad still has zero championships while Tatum just put in his trade request. Then it’s going to be a real “LMAOOOOOOOOO”.

Delusional green teamers like you who are so afraid for this team to push the chips in to win a title are the same reason this team is on a 13 year drought and counting.......but but but we like our young guys!
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Post#459 » by BK_2020 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 pm

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Read on Twitter


Man, they didn't even give Kornet a plane ticket?

Why would you fly from Chicago to Milwaukee?
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Post#460 » by Celtics_Champs » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 pm

Ready for my crazy plan? TANK!! Well... kind of. Just rest brown and tatum and let the guys in a potential Beal trade go off. Let Marcus and Kemba score 30 a game and we lose. Let Rob Williams put up consistent double doubles. Nesmith show flashes. Then get a potential mid-late lottery pick. Then send out Kemba to the bulls or someone and get another pick out of it. Trade it all for Beal and let the ring chasers sign here. Heck at least make an attempt.

Pritchard/Rose
Beal/Langford
Brown/Fournier
Tatum/G. Williams
Thompson/McGee

It's crazy. I know.

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