It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[CelticsLV]

Got a feeling we end up with Drummond. Guy wants to start and has the UCONN connection with Kemba

He wants a big role. Who's minutes are we sacrificing? Between Rob, Thompson, Wagner there's not enough minutes to offer. Even if you take Wagner out of the picture, 48 minutes between Drummond, Rob, Thompson? I doubt we want to see double big lineups again, or a grumpy Thompson who's not getting enough playing time.

There are much better options available for him, like the Hornets who can give him a full time starter role.

[darrendaye]

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This was my sense of why he made the trade.

[CeltsFlow]

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Man, they didn't even give Kornet a plane ticket?

Why would you fly from Chicago to Milwaukee?

Eh, they're pros, you never know these days lol. Surprised Wagner got cleared already tho.

[JediMasterRevan]

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This was my sense of why he made the trade.

Saving face, imo. His reputation is going down the drain

[ShermansShoes]

Fournier not being in uniform tonite is disappointing although understandable. It feels like getting an awesome toy for Christmas and then not having a 9 volt battery to turn it on.

[sprash9802]

Did Ainge pretty much admit that he panicked? Wonder if we could've gotten someone better during the offseason. They should just tank this season...No point in getting swept away in the first round.

[Patsfan1081]

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This was my sense of why he made the trade.

Saving face, imo. His reputation is going down the drain

Yeah this isn’t good. Admittedly desperate yet still not enough to give up your precious first rounders or Smart to upgrade. He basically knows there’s a problem but has no clue how to fix it.

[BigTrade92]

When one thinks of bringing “hope” to a sinking pro basketball team, Evan Fournier definitely is the first player that comes to mind...good one Danny

[bucknersrevenge]

Because they want to be a good team when?

Your whole point about Theis is why pay the tax because the team ISN'T good.

I'm not arguing against making sound financial decisions but the Theis move obliterates our interior defense which was already a huge weakness.

It's like not eating dinner because you're not hungry but then eating a whole cake....I thought you weren't hungry.

Fournier is a nice player and we got him for a song but his salary is so high that it forced us to get rid of our only reliable big.

Unless there's another move coming, we are going to get absolutely destroyed in the middle. So if the move to get Fournier is to make us better, I'm not seeing it. Not because of Fournier but because of Theis.

If maintaining the future tax situation was the goal, then just play out the season, play the youngs to increase their value, and save the TPE for the off season.

Don't eat the whole cake if you said you weren't hungry....That's all I'm saying

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

[JediMasterRevan]

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

Losing Theis will not make the team worse, but I will not be convinced that the deal he went out on was the best that Danny could do.

And if for some reason that was the best possible return for Theis, why the hell was Brad playing a guy valued as essentially worthless around the league so damn much.

[Shak_Celts]

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Man, they didn't even give Kornet a plane ticket?

Why would you fly from Chicago to Milwaukee?

Eh, they're pros, you never know these days lol. Surprised Wagner got cleared already tho.

So cleared but will CBS play them right away?

[BK_2020]

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.

A fun fact is Timelord had the 2nd worst DRtg last game after Semi who played 4 minutes. Theis wasn't much better but it's nonsense to think that playing Timelord more will make our defense better. Timelord is not a good defensive player, no matter how many flashy blocks he gets.

[Mr Loggins]

do the Celts plan to resign Fournier this offseason?

[Shak_Celts]

But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

Losing Theis will not make the team worse, but I will not be convinced that the deal he went out on was the best that Danny could do.

And if for some reason that was the best possible return for Theis, why the hell was Brad playing a guy valued as essentially worthless around the league so damn much.

Free Agent. You think Fournier is only worth seconds?

[itrsteve]

do the Celts plan to resign Fournier this offseason?

I would hope that was intent, we were trading picks for bird rights, not finals contention.

[JediMasterRevan]

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

Losing Theis will not make the team worse, but I will not be convinced that the deal he went out on was the best that Danny could do.

And if for some reason that was the best possible return for Theis, why the hell was Brad playing a guy valued as essentially worthless around the league so damn much.

Free Agent. You think Fournier is only worth seconds?

well, 2 seconds and alot of $$ saved

[bucknersrevenge]

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.

A fun fact is Timelord had the 2nd worst DRtg last game after Semi who played 4 minutes. Theis wasn't much better but it's nonsense to think that playing Timelord more will make our defense better. Timelord is not a good defensive player, no matter how many flashy blocks he gets.

Feel free to think that if you want. My point is that I think that's what DANNY is banking on with these trades. He about said as much this morning. Fans (I'm assuming, not you in this case) have been clamoring for this kid to get more of an opportunity. That's what's about to happen.

[chrisab123]

“There were other deals that we tried to do that would’ve been even more significant, that we weren’t able to do,” - Danny Ainge

Seems like he's always close on big deals...

[BK_2020]

For all the talk about this being a seller's market you had guys being moved for little.
Fournier = 2 seconds but Magic had to take teague
George Hill = 3 seconds
Norman Powell = nothing, basically
Theis = less than nothing
McGee = 2 seconds
Aaron Gordon = undersized SG who can't shoot plus they had to take Gary Harris, a pick in the 20s
Vuc = A bust midget center, 2 picks that might be good since Vuc is terrible.
Oladipo = nothing
Rondo = nothing and a 2nd

[Celts17Pride]

“There were other deals that we tried to do that would’ve been even more significant, that we weren’t able to do,” - Danny Ainge

Seems like he's always close on big deals...

In fairness, big deals are tough to complete