It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[JediMasterRevan]

For all the talk about this being a seller's market you had guys being moved for little.
Fournier = 2 seconds but Magic had to take teague
George Hill = 3 seconds
Norman Powell = nothing, basically
Theis = less than nothing
McGee = 2 seconds
Aaron Gordon = undersized SG who can't shoot plus they had to take Gary Harris, a pick in the 20s
Vuc = A bust midget center, 2 picks that might be good since Vuc is terrible.
Oladipo = nothing
Rondo = nothing and a 2nd

But Danny was close to doing some even more significant things. Just didnt work out.

[GregB]

Did Ainge pretty much admit that he panicked? Wonder if we could've gotten someone better during the offseason. They should just tank this season...No point in getting swept away in the first round.

But that’s also a terrible message to send to his players, coach and fans. Still feels like a half measure though. Especially after trading Theis to get under the tax.

[themoneyteam2]

When one thinks of bringing “hope” to a sinking pro basketball team, Evan Fournier definitely is the first player that comes to mind...good one Danny

Show us on the doll where Ainge and the Celtics hurt you.

Why exactly do you post here if all you do is cry like a baby back bitch on nearly every post? I can’t imagine this is fun for you. Even last year when they were good you were miserable.

[winsomme2]

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

I disagree that it can't get worse. My fear is that MEM game is now gonna be every game.

The offense should be better, but please tell me why the overall impact of these moves is better than waiting till the offseason when as even Danny said the TPE would be much more useful.

I think Danny is even was saying in that statement he gave that he would have preferred to make his moves in the off season.

Again, I WANT to watch this team. I just think the interior defense is going to be so poor EVERY game now that it's just gonna be hard to watch. And now no TPE.

Also, please tell me why we needed to trade Theis to get RWill more minutes. Just start him....wth

[themoneyteam2]

Thanks man, but not really, plus they haven’t made many big trades aside from Irving which I rightfully hated as that guy was and still is a chump.

I was waiting for the big trade: Harden. Ainge pussed out.

Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

James Harden is signed for two years after this, not one. Harden is an MVP who’s playing at an extremely high level. To think he isn’t a guy you should trade for shows just how out of touch you are. The alternative is now a lost season that’s going to result in an embarrassing first round loss or potentially not making the playoffs...

Going be even funnier when Brown is out the door in only three years and this squad still has zero championships while Tatum just put in his trade request. Then it’s going to be a real “LMAOOOOOOOOO”.

Delusional green teamers like you who are so afraid for this team to push the chips in to win a title are the same reason this team is on a 13 year drought and counting.......but but but we like our young guys!

Or it’s the fact that going all in on a Harden, Tatum, Kemba team isn’t winning a title and then Harden is leaving after next year? So delusional!!!

But yes such a green teamer for not wanting Harden who had no interest in playing here and wanted to go the Nets lol

[greenroom31]

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This was my sense of why he made the trade.

Jeez, I appreciate the candor from Ainge, but is Evan Fournier, Mo Wagner and Kornet for Theis, Teague and Javonte really supposed to give the coaches and players hope, and turn their attitude around for the rest of the season?

Maybe I'm out of touch here, but I just don't see it... it's a marginal improvement, not something that makes us a serious contender.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Ainge has already said Timelord can’t handle more than 25 minutes consistently. This doesn’t suddenly make him a 30 MPG starter lol

Exactly. He didn't suddenly overcome his health issues because Theis left. Let him grow slowly and in an way that he will remain healthy long term.

[KGtabake]

- Kornet is driving from Chicago to meet the Celtics in Milwaukee today.

I lol'd more than i should have

[chrisab123]

“There were other deals that we tried to do that would’ve been even more significant, that we weren’t able to do,” - Danny Ainge

Seems like he's always close on big deals...

In fairness, big deals are tough to complete

Trades are really hard to make

[zoyathedestroya]

First-ever play-in team to win the NBA title. OR first play-in team to get the #1 draft pick. Let's do this!!

[Green89]

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This was my sense of why he made the trade.

Only took Danny a few years to realize players can be unhappy when you don't try to improve the team.

Ainge's reaction this week when Zarren finally convinced him this was what Kyrie meant by those "we could use a vet" comments.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

James Harden is signed for two years after this, not one. Harden is an MVP who’s playing at an extremely high level. To think he isn’t a guy you should trade for shows just how out of touch you are. The alternative is now a lost season that’s going to result in an embarrassing first round loss or potentially not making the playoffs...

Going be even funnier when Brown is out the door in only three years and this squad still has zero championships while Tatum just put in his trade request. Then it’s going to be a real “LMAOOOOOOOOO”.

Delusional green teamers like you who are so afraid for this team to push the chips in to win a title are the same reason this team is on a 13 year drought and counting.......but but but we like our young guys!

Or it’s the fact that going all in on a Harden, Tatum, Kemba team isn’t winning a title and then Harden is leaving after next year? So delusional!!!

But yes such a green teamer for not wanting Harden who had no interest in playing here and wanted to go the Nets lol

And that ignores the fact that Harden didn't want to come here. You can't ignore a disinterested Harden after seeing what he did in HOU. You'd have to give up massive assets including Brown for basically a year of Harden since there was a zero % chance he would resign here which would mean having to trade him next year and getting back assets that woudln't come close to Brown and whatever else we would've given up. There is no "win it all now" path for this team currently and that trade would've made the Cs a treadmill team for years to come.

[CeltsfaninDC]

- Kornet is driving from Chicago to meet the Celtics in Milwaukee today.

I lol'd more than i should have

Its like a 45 min drive. Its not like he's driving cross country

[basketballRob]

Because they want to be a good team? The issue is the repeater tax on a team that its currently poised to be $20m into the tax next year, not the prorated remainder of Fournier's contract.

Are there really multiple people arguing against this?

Because they want to be a good team when?

Your whole point about Theis is why pay the tax because the team ISN'T good.

I'm not arguing against making sound financial decisions but the Theis move obliterates our interior defense which was already a huge weakness.

It's like not eating dinner because you're not hungry but then eating a whole cake....I thought you weren't hungry.

Fournier is a nice player and we got him for a song but his salary is so high that it forced us to get rid of our only reliable big.

Unless there's another move coming, we are going to get absolutely destroyed in the middle. So if the move to get Fournier is to make us better, I'm not seeing it. Not because of Fournier but because of Theis.

If maintaining the future tax situation was the goal, then just play out the season, play the youngs to increase their value, and save the TPE for the off season.

Don't eat the whole cake if you said you weren't hungry....That's all I'm saying

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

I think he'll sign a reasonable deal next season. The only reason he got the 17m is that it was the year the cap went way up and Biyombo and Mozgov were getting 100m deals.

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[winsomme2]

Because they want to be a good team when?

Your whole point about Theis is why pay the tax because the team ISN'T good.

I'm not arguing against making sound financial decisions but the Theis move obliterates our interior defense which was already a huge weakness.

It's like not eating dinner because you're not hungry but then eating a whole cake....I thought you weren't hungry.

Fournier is a nice player and we got him for a song but his salary is so high that it forced us to get rid of our only reliable big.

Unless there's another move coming, we are going to get absolutely destroyed in the middle. So if the move to get Fournier is to make us better, I'm not seeing it. Not because of Fournier but because of Theis.

If maintaining the future tax situation was the goal, then just play out the season, play the youngs to increase their value, and save the TPE for the off season.

Don't eat the whole cake if you said you weren't hungry....That's all I'm saying

The idea is that Fournier makes much more sense than Theis to pay a 3/4 year deal at $13-17M salary.

Fournier probably costs a few more M per year than Theis (I think Peoplé her vastly over estimate how much he’ll get), but that speaks to the nature of the league. Talented offensive players that are Wing sized are at a premium.

It’s really dumb to be paying non elite centers significant money. Id rather not spend $30M on the Platoon of Theis TT and Rob and put that money on the wing depth instead. It’s easy as hell to find cheap bigs to put in rotation (Baynes Theis Kanter) but we haven’t had a cheap good wing since..Gerald Green?

I think he'll sign a reasonable deal next season. The only reason he got the 17m is that it was the year the cap went way up and Biyombo and Mozgov were getting 100m deals.

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Last week Danny was talking about not trading for players on expiring deals this season because so many teams have money to spend.

That makes me think that someone's gonna overpay him.

[zoyathedestroya]

"We like our young guys."

32-yo Teague to 28-yo Fournier.
28-yo Theis to 23-yo Wagner.
27-yo Green to 25-yo Kornet.

Preserved all the 1sts and everyone he drafted.

EDIT: I would've traded out Kemba and Thompson too but it appears there were no takers.

[zoyathedestroya]

What did Joe Harris get? I think Fournier gets something around that number.

What does the FA landscape look like? Are there more free cap space to hand out than good players to sign?

[CelticsPride18]

What did Joe Harris get? I think Fournier gets something around that number.

What does the FA landscape look like? Are there more free cap space to hand out than good players to sign?

4/75

[bucknersrevenge]

But you're forgetting that teams have tons of money to spend in the off season. There's absolutely no guarantee we're keeping Fournier for anything more than a rental.

Also, we are gonna get killed in the middle. Absolutely killed.

Again, I like Fournier and I agree that reliable scoring wings are at a premium but the interior defense of this team is IMO gonna make it hard to feel good about that.

Hope I'm wrong.

Dude, we gave up 80 points in the paint the other night with Theis on the floor. **** ain't gettin' any worse. Seriously. Despite the absence of Theis we'd actually have to TRY to make our defense worse than it's already been. So here's what Danny is banking on:

-More minutes with Rob helps improve the defense to something resembling acceptable levels.
-the addition of Fournier's offense improves our offensive efficiency (especially in the 4th quarter where we've sucked ass) enough to counter our defensive issues.
-Danny can re-sign Fournier (this is a huge risk for sure but that's where we are)

I disagree that it can't get worse. My fear is that MEM game is now gonna be every game.

The offense should be better, but please tell me why the overall impact of these moves is better than waiting till the offseason when as even Danny said the TPE would be much more useful.

I think Danny is even was saying in that statement he gave that he would have preferred to make his moves in the off season.

Again, I WANT to watch this team. I just think the interior defense is going to be so poor EVERY game now that it's just gonna be hard to watch. And now no TPE.

Also, please tell me why we needed to trade Theis to get RWill more minutes. Just start him....wth

Bro, it's been every game. Maybe not 80 points in the paint same but our defense is deplorable. It's been that way all year. Danny's hope is that Fournier helps with some of our well-documented 4th quarter offensive woes and that maybe we can finish some of those clutch games that we have let slip all year. Well the Theis move was made to keep us under the tax. You know that. Basically, they sacrificed some defense to get hopefully much better offensively in the short term. Danny felt this team needed some new energy so there we have it. Put it this way we are 23rd ranked in DefEff, 27th in OppPPG in the 4Q. There's more room to improve than there is to get worse from here.

[MagicBagley18]

You're OK man, but I will take this opportunity to say that BigTrade92 has been against literally every big trade we have done in the last 10 years, lol.

Thanks man, but not really, plus they haven’t made many big trades aside from Irving which I rightfully hated as that guy was and still is a chump.

I was waiting for the big trade: Harden. Ainge pussed out.

Harden, Tatum, Kemba, and the bag of chips remaining wouldn’t be doing **** in the East lol. That would be a panic move if I’ve ever seen one and Harden would be out in a year.

That’s the big trade you wanted? LMAOOOOOOOOOO

Totally disagree with this with the exception that harden leaves which is a real thing to consider. The Celtics would have the tpe plus all of our picks. Ainge would also have been more aggressive at the deadline. Harden off the nets changes the entire eastern conference whose the biggest threats in the east?

Unproven Philly? Mia? not doing **** in the east is us right now lol. The bucks would be the team to beat. If harden leaves a year I believe you’d get space to get beal.