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Post#281 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:03 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Holy ****. Did not see this coming. At least not at this juncture. I'm generally not a big fan of trading up before the draft actually happens, unless it's to #1. Who knows what the teams ahead of you do? What if a team jumps up to #2 and grabs the QB you love? It's also a very steep price tag, though about what you'd expect to move up nine spots for a QB. But that's basically enough to have landed Watson prior to his massage issues.

That said, this team desperately needs a young QB to develop. And the future picks will hopefully be very late in the round. Having a young QB can make all the difference. We clear tons of cap space by ditching Garoppolo, and should be able to keep our nucleus together. It was probably this or letting guys like Warner and possibly Bosa walk when they came up for extension. No rookie QB has even reached the SB, though no rookie QB has ever played with the sort of supporting cast we will have. Pressure is on to perform immediately, which is not typically the sort of situation I would want to throw a rookie QB into, but so it goes.


I wouldn't be sure they let Jimmy G go this year. Can't rule it out although Shanahan came out and said Jimmy G will still be on the team this year.


They can't keep Jimmy with this move, IMO. They need to clear up as much cap space as possible to capitalize on the cap savings. FA will be even more important for filling holes in the next few years as we're going to be short on picks.

Bold move, and as said, it could definitely cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs, but I prefer it to just rolling it back out with Jimmy.
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#282 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:04 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Holy ****. Did not see this coming. At least not at this juncture. I'm generally not a big fan of trading up before the draft actually happens, unless it's to #1. Who knows what the teams ahead of you do? What if a team jumps up to #2 and grabs the QB you love? It's also a very steep price tag, though about what you'd expect to move up nine spots for a QB. But that's basically enough to have landed Watson prior to his massage issues.

That said, this team desperately needs a young QB to develop. And the future picks will hopefully be very late in the round. Having a young QB can make all the difference. We clear tons of cap space by ditching Garoppolo, and should be able to keep our nucleus together. It was probably this or letting guys like Warner and possibly Bosa walk when they came up for extension. No rookie QB has even reached the SB, though no rookie QB has ever played with the sort of supporting cast we will have. Pressure is on to perform immediately, which is not typically the sort of situation I would want to throw a rookie QB into, but so it goes.


I wouldn't be sure they let Jimmy G go this year. Can't rule it out although Shanahan came out and said Jimmy G will still be on the team this year.


They can't keep Jimmy with this move, IMO. They need to clear up as much cap space as possible to capitalize on the cap savings. FA will be even more important for filling holes in the next few years as we're going to be short on picks.

Bold move, and as said, it could definitely cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs, but I prefer it to just rolling it back out with Jimmy.


They can keep him this year, not long term.
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Post#283 » by GS Warriors 1 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:06 pm

Thought they would wait until the draft and let things play out, but they are all-in right now. Shanahan is very certain about who this will be. A LOT of Trey Lance talk right now within those in league circles, more so than Justin Fields but we'll find out in a month.
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#284 » by thesack12 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:07 pm

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I am not arguing against taking a risk. My only point is don't screw it up. A Thomas level bad pick here better not happen


I'm not sure how you can screw it up, it will either be Fields or Wilson whoever is left after the Jets pick. The only way would be if they went with Lance


If this pick bombs out, then they screwed up. No one knows how any of these Qbs will turn out. Shanahyn/Lynch are being paid to pick the right one.


This!

1st round QB's bust pretty frequently
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#285 » by goober » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:08 pm

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Thought they would wait until the draft and let things play out, but they are all-in right now. Shanahan is very certain about who this will be. A LOT of Trey Lance talk right now within those in league circles, more so than Justin Fields but we'll find out in a month.

I would much prefer Lance
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#286 » by thesack12 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:09 pm

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I wouldn't be sure they let Jimmy G go this year. Can't rule it out although Shanahan came out and said Jimmy G will still be on the team this year.


They can't keep Jimmy with this move, IMO. They need to clear up as much cap space as possible to capitalize on the cap savings. FA will be even more important for filling holes in the next few years as we're going to be short on picks.

Bold move, and as said, it could definitely cost Shanahan and Lynch their jobs, but I prefer it to just rolling it back out with Jimmy.


They can keep him this year, not long term.


This is correct.

The cap difference between #12 and #3 is not so vast that they couldn't keep Jimmy this season.
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#287 » by GS Warriors 1 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:10 pm

Of course, you can screw this up...but you have to take the chance at a certain point. And for the 49ers, that certain point has arrived.
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Post#288 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:11 pm

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Thought they would wait until the draft and let things play out, but they are all-in right now. Shanahan is very certain about who this will be. A LOT of Trey Lance talk right now within those in league circles, more so than Justin Fields but we'll find out in a month.


I know nothing about these QBs but I just read his scouting report and his profile does not seem like the type of QB Shanahan likes
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Post#289 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:12 pm

They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.

I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.
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Post#290 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:13 pm

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Of course, you can screw this up...but you have to take the chance at a certain point. And for the 49ers, that certain point has arrived.


I am not arguing against that. I don't think anyone here is. My only point is don't screw it up.
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Post#291 » by GS Warriors 1 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:13 pm

I would expect them to keep Garoppolo and start him for 2021. He does well and the team makes a playoff run, he'll be wanted. If he gets hurt again or shows inconsistent play, they release him with a minuscule 1M dead cap hit. The 49ers are betting on the former, no question. Ideal world, they get value in return.
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#292 » by goober » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:13 pm

Hear me out

Jimmy G and 3 for pick #2 :)
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#293 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:14 pm

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arich35 wrote:
I'm not sure how you can screw it up, it will either be Fields or Wilson whoever is left after the Jets pick. The only way would be if they went with Lance


If this pick bombs out, then they screwed up. No one knows how any of these Qbs will turn out. Shanahyn/Lynch are being paid to pick the right one.


This!

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Anyone who can pick the winners all the time can make a fortune in the NFL as a consultant
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#294 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:16 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.

I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.

At this point they have mostly made their free agent moves and have the roster set. Not sure they see the cap savings as such a deal breaker
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Post#295 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:18 pm

Grant Cohen saying he thinks it will be Mac Jones. My head would explode. I don't have a huge problem with Mac Jones. At 12. At three, giving up this to get there? Can't do it. Got to get a guy with a higher ceiling.
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Post#296 » by thesack12 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:19 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.

I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.


At this point, it actually is the right move.

If they simply cut him at this point, it would be very bad management of assets. With how the QB market played out, nobody will be able to convince me Jimmy was untradeable. For example there is no way Chicago wouldn't have gave a mid round pick for Jimmy as opposed to signing Dalton.

At this point you role with Jimmy early on and hope he has a solid season. If so you look to trade him this time next year and roll with the new QB in 2022. There is even a chance Jimmy plays well enough that he fends off the rookie and Frisco makes another deep playoff run with him, in which case you have 2 highly valuable QB's on the roster and work out who/how to trade one of them later.

There just isn't any upside in cutting Garoppolo at this point. Worst case, he plays poorly for the first couple weeks of the season and that would allow the rookie some time to learn holding a clipboard. With this current roster, there is absolutely no benefit to attempt to Start Rosen at any point in the season, barring injuries of course.
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Re: 2021 49ers offseason 

Post#297 » by thesack12 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:22 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Grant Cohen saying he thinks it will be Mac Jones. My head would explode. I don't have a huge problem with Mac Jones. At 12. At three, giving up this to get there? Can't do it. Got to get a guy with a higher ceiling.


UGH, say it ain't so Lynch.

That would be disgusting.
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Post#298 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:23 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.

I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.

At this point they have mostly made their free agent moves and have the roster set. Not sure they see the cap savings as such a deal breaker


Then they're dumb. 80% of the benefit of a rookie QB is the cap savings.

Maybe Garoppolo boosts his trade value, but how much? The Pats are fairly desperate for a QB, after making a lot of big-money moves this year. They may not be as much so next year. As said, if I had to put money on it, I'd take Garoppolo to be the starter this next year, I'm just not at all sold on that being the right call. Still processing all of this, though.
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Post#299 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:24 pm

Dolphins followed their trade to 12 up with a trade up to 6 with the Eagles. Weird. Why are they moving at this stage? Why not wait until the actual draft?
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Post#300 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:26 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.

I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.


At this point, it actually is the right move.

If they simply cut him at this point, it would be very bad management of assets. With how the QB market played out, nobody will be able to convince me Jimmy was untradeable. For example there is no way Chicago wouldn't have gave a mid round pick for Jimmy as opposed to signing Dalton.

At this point you role with Jimmy early on and hope he has a solid season. If so you look to trade him this time next year and roll with the new QB in 2022. There is even a chance Jimmy plays well enough that he fends off the rookie and Frisco makes another deep playoff run with him, in which case you have 2 highly valuable QB's on the roster and work out who/how to trade one of them later.

There just isn't any upside in cutting Garoppolo at this point. Worst case, he plays poorly for the first couple weeks of the season and that would allow the rookie some time to learn holding a clipboard. With this current roster, there is absolutely no benefit to attempt to Start Rosen at any point in the season, barring injuries of course.


I wouldn't cut him. I'd look to trade him.

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