Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

[Am2626]

Slept on it, still dislike the trade. I’ll be more receptive to the product on the floor but I just can’t get past giving up two first rounders for a center. Not good business IMO.

You do realize that these picks are top 4 protected right? Even in the unlikely chance the Bulls stay in the lottery if they get lucky and move up they still keep the picks. You really think Carter Jr. is that good? Vooch is a significant upgrade from him.

[Dan Z]

We should not be in the lottery at all if the team meshes quickly.

I agree, but it's probably going to be a tight race. Right now the Bulls are at #10 with the Pacers, Celtics, Heat, Hawks, Knicks and Hornets all ahead of them.

Who drops a bit as the season goes on?

Knicks, Celtics, Hornets, and possibly Miami are all going to either stagnate or plummet

Celtics fans are apparently livid with the Theis decision. It was allegedly done at the owner of the team’s behest purely for financial reasons, IE: them being cheap. Theis is a big part of making their team go. This will hurt them big time, especially their defense

Knicks were always going to fall off, too young & inexperienced

Hornets were getting overrated & lost one of their key players

Miami, ehh. That team is real bad without Butler. Oladipo isn’t a needle mover. He can still toss up some lofty scoring #s from time to time, but unfortunately injuries have absolutely ravaged his body. He can no longer play competent man defense & the explosion isn’t there anymore

Chicago automatically, after one afternoon, has one of the most lethal offensive duos on the planet. You factor in Theis, who will bolster bench defense *big time*, and don’t be surprised to see Chicago shoot up the standings.

I'm not quite as optimistic about the rest of the season as you are, but I hope you're right!

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Zach probably couldnt get any sleep last night being so excited

[chitowndish]

I’m still in shock that this actually happened. I’m so used to saying we really need to do a consolidation trade but I can’t remember them actually doing one. To pull something like this for an all star is just shocking to me and I like that with his skill set he can fit in really well with this team.

I also wish we got a PG but I kind of feel like one of our biggest problems was we had this critical mass of knuckleheads who either didn’t know how to play the game from a fundamentals perspective, or just weren’t tough and regularly folded and to me the consistent thread in all of this is AK completely reversed that overnight we have good solid playoff tested veterans and that will help the younger guys we kept. Basically having a higher percentage of guys on the floor that know what they should be doing is going to make things a lot easier on Sato. So while we didn’t get a PG I feel like we took a good amount of pressure off the PG and considering what we got/gave up I’ll take it.

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Why am I hearing that the Bulls have taken themselves out of free agency with the moves they made? Is it because they are over the cap this season? I still see 23 mil in "practical cap space" listed for next season.

I am translating all this to mean they would either have to renounce 2 out of 3 of Thad, Sato,and Lauri, to get under the cap and be a player in free agency.

Am I on the right track here?

I don't think it's commonly known Thad & Sato are only partially guaranteed.

But I honestly think we'll use our cap space not on another player but to renegotiate with Lavine rather than risk him becoming an unrestricted free agent. I've read we need at least $14M of cap space for this, which means we losing one of Thad or Sato and losing Markkanen.

I'm not sure if we can S&T Lauri, and then still renegotiate with Lavine after. I assume yes, but I don't know.

I guess we could do more if we pay someone to absorb Aminu and maybe dump one of the rookies like Patrick or Coby.

[superdave]

Shocked and pleasantly surprised at this move. No more watching WCJ touch the ball 20X per game and scrambling to set picks

Stars attract stars (unless you're Lebron and just build your own team lol). Having two All-Stars in place sets us up for the offseason and next.

AK seems to be setting up a poor-man's Denver. Zach-Vucevic vs. Murray-Jokic. Switchable wings, spacing, depth. I like the direction of this team.

[GoBlue72391]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:

Obviously they should stand pat. Absolutely no point in making any unnecessary trades right now. Bulls will be fine

Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.

I saw someone suggest Vucevic too. Way too old & a career loser. Horrible idea. Way too much $$ too

Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.

Vucevic isn’t a player that the Bulls should look to invest in. That would be an atrocious idea. He’d be a decent fit & would perform, but it’d wind up being a redundant scenario pretty rapidly. Also, Vucevic is 30 year old 16th draft pick. WCJ & Coby White are *21 & 20 YEARS OF AGE RESPECTIVELY*. Should I repeat that....or...should someone else repeat it ad nauseum for you? What in gods name are you even talking about??

Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?

As I stated above, Chicago will be just fine. They’re in good hands, and as the 2nd youngest team in the entire NBA, they’re actually doing pretty well all things considered. WCJ is going to come around eventually. He had some nasty injuries that prevented him from really doing anything in the gym for prolonged periods, but once he gets his body right, he’ll be back on track. Coby will come around.

You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.

All I all, there won’t be any major moves until after this season is threw, nor should there be. There’s no rush

Hmm...

Again, the Bulls are fine. They’re right where anyone would expect an extremely young team to be at this stage, and are actually ahead of the curve, considering what these players went through over the past two seasons. They’re not in the most stable situation, but are far from unstable lmfao

Seriously, these threads after losses “omgzwutwillwedo21yroldplayerizbustomgomggz”. Bush league/reddit level hilarity

Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Done and done.

[Jeffster81]

Slept on it, still dislike the trade. I’ll be more receptive to the product on the floor but I just can’t get past giving up two first rounders for a center. Not good business IMO.

You do realize that these picks are top 4 protected right? Even in the unlikely chance the Bulls stay in the lottery if they get lucky and move up they still keep the picks. You really think Carter Jr. is that good? Vooch is a significant upgrade from him.

I am beyond tired of draft picks. Draft picks equals waiting and I am tired of waiting on the Bulls to become good. The Bulls gave up two first round draft picks that are likely to be mediocre selections (in terms of where the pick ends up and not necessarily the player ORL picks), so why are people acting like the Bulls gave up the candy store for Vuc?

I have all the respect in the world for posters like DJhitek but I have to disagree with him on this. I actually don't mind if the Bulls take a break from the draft and focus on developing the players they do have.

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[madvillian]

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Zach won't see another hard hedge all year. Or if some team wants to, after Vooch pops for a couple threes they won't.

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[DJhitek]

Slept on it, still dislike the trade. I’ll be more receptive to the product on the floor but I just can’t get past giving up two first rounders for a center. Not good business IMO.

You do realize that these picks are top 4 protected right? Even in the unlikely chance the Bulls stay in the lottery if they get lucky and move up they still keep the picks. You really think Carter Jr. is that good? Vooch is a significant upgrade from him.

I never mentioned Carter at any point and while I totally understand the top 4 protections, We just traded 2 first rounders for a center. I’d never trade major assets for that position unless the name is Embiid or Joker. And now the team has limited assets to upgrade the one position that they have a huge void in, which is point guard.

BTW, as close as the Bulls are to the 4th spot, they are also close to 14th in the conference and they have a bunch of roads games coming up. I think the odds are pretty even in both cases. The 2023 pick is too far out to even discuss IMO.

[sllubwoc]

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So pumped to watch tomorrows game.

[DJhitek]

Slept on it, still dislike the trade. I’ll be more receptive to the product on the floor but I just can’t get past giving up two first rounders for a center. Not good business IMO.

You do realize that these picks are top 4 protected right? Even in the unlikely chance the Bulls stay in the lottery if they get lucky and move up they still keep the picks. You really think Carter Jr. is that good? Vooch is a significant upgrade from him.

I am beyond tired of draft picks. Draft picks equals waiting and I am tired of waiting on the Bulls to become good. The Bulls gave up two first round draft picks that are likely to be mediocre selections (in terms of where the pick ends up and not necessarily the player ORL picks), so why are people acting like the Bulls gave up the candy store for Vuc?

I have all the respect in the world for posters like DJhitek but I have to disagree with him on this. I actually don't mind if the Bulls take a break from the draft and focus on developing the players they do have.

Completely fair, I’m excited to see a better product myself. My gripe isn’t with making a move with future assets, it’s the position they chose to use those assets on. That’s all.

[Jstock12]

Haven't been this excited about the Bulls since Darius Songaila.

[WindyCityBorn]

What I like as well is we are able to practice with these guys today. We havent had many opportunities to practice in a while so its a perfect time to get the new guys in.

They got cleared already? If so I’m extremely excited for tomorrow.

[WindyCityBorn]

Right now Tankathon has the Bulls drafting at #10 (2021 draft). I assume we climb up the standings a bit, but how high? 12th? 14th? ??

Last year #12 was Tyrese Halliburton and #14 was Aaron Nesmith.

In 2019 #12 was P.J. Washington and #14 was Romeo Langford.

There should be good players for Orlando to pick, but most likely not a star.

The other pick that the Bulls gave up (2023) is too far out for me to guess how that will turn out.

It's a good trade for the Bulls.

We should not be in the lottery at all if the team meshes quickly.

I agree, but it's probably going to be a tight race. Right now the Bulls are at #10 with the Pacers, Celtics, Heat, Hawks, Knicks and Hornets all ahead of them.

Who drops a bit as the season goes on?

Hornets for sure. We are probably better than Boston and New York now so we have decent chance to pass them too.

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Did Patrick give up his number or did the bulls ask him to give up his number ? Lol. Vucevic probably loves that number. Sucks for the fans who already bought the P Will jersey.

[HouseOfLight]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:

Obviously they should stand pat. Absolutely no point in making any unnecessary trades right now. Bulls will be fine

Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.

I saw someone suggest Vucevic too. Way too old & a career loser. Horrible idea. Way too much $$ too

Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.

Vucevic isn’t a player that the Bulls should look to invest in. That would be an atrocious idea. He’d be a decent fit & would perform, but it’d wind up being a redundant scenario pretty rapidly. Also, Vucevic is 30 year old 16th draft pick. WCJ & Coby White are *21 & 20 YEARS OF AGE RESPECTIVELY*. Should I repeat that....or...should someone else repeat it ad nauseum for you? What in gods name are you even talking about??

Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?

As I stated above, Chicago will be just fine. They’re in good hands, and as the 2nd youngest team in the entire NBA, they’re actually doing pretty well all things considered. WCJ is going to come around eventually. He had some nasty injuries that prevented him from really doing anything in the gym for prolonged periods, but once he gets his body right, he’ll be back on track. Coby will come around.

You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.

All I all, there won’t be any major moves until after this season is threw, nor should there be. There’s no rush

Hmm...

Again, the Bulls are fine. They’re right where anyone would expect an extremely young team to be at this stage, and are actually ahead of the curve, considering what these players went through over the past two seasons. They’re not in the most stable situation, but are far from unstable lmfao

Seriously, these threads after losses “omgzwutwillwedo21yroldplayerizbustomgomggz”. Bush league/reddit level hilarity

Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Done and done.

The ironic thing about all of that nonsense is that the Chicago Bulls fanbase is arguably the most toxic in all of sports, and it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of me. Absurdly, almost comically pessimistic; it’s hilarious, and those comments from the other night were almost like a comic writer’s parody of your typical Bulls fan LOL. Like if someone sat down & wrote a sketch about your average Bulls fan, it’d essentially be that thread from the other night. I don’t even even want to repeat some of those comments because they were so utterly cringe, but they definitely deserve to be compiled for comic relief going forward.

Also, perhaps learn to read more thoroughly? Anyone that watches NBA basketball would’ve been disappointed with the Bulls giving up 4/5 1st rounders for Vooch, and it would indeed have been an atrocious decision....but They obviously got him for nothing. Durpy derp