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CrimsonCrew wrote:Dolphins followed their trade to 12 up with a trade up to 6 with the Eagles. Weird. Why are they moving at this stage? Why not wait until the actual draft?
CrimsonCrew wrote:Grant Cohen saying he thinks it will be Mac Jones. My head would explode. I don't have a huge problem with Mac Jones. At 12. At three, giving up this to get there? Can't do it. Got to get a guy with a higher ceiling.
CrimsonCrew wrote:thesack12 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.
I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.
At this point, it actually is the right move.
If they simply cut him at this point, it would be very bad management of assets. With how the QB market played out, nobody will be able to convince me Jimmy was untradeable. For example there is no way Chicago wouldn't have gave a mid round pick for Jimmy as opposed to signing Dalton.
At this point you role with Jimmy early on and hope he has a solid season. If so you look to trade him this time next year and roll with the new QB in 2022. There is even a chance Jimmy plays well enough that he fends off the rookie and Frisco makes another deep playoff run with him, in which case you have 2 highly valuable QB's on the roster and work out who/how to trade one of them later.
There just isn't any upside in cutting Garoppolo at this point. Worst case, he plays poorly for the first couple weeks of the season and that would allow the rookie some time to learn holding a clipboard. With this current roster, there is absolutely no benefit to attempt to Start Rosen at any point in the season, barring injuries of course.
I wouldn't cut him. I'd look to trade him.
thesack12 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:thesack12 wrote:
At this point, it actually is the right move.
If they simply cut him at this point, it would be very bad management of assets. With how the QB market played out, nobody will be able to convince me Jimmy was untradeable. For example there is no way Chicago wouldn't have gave a mid round pick for Jimmy as opposed to signing Dalton.
At this point you role with Jimmy early on and hope he has a solid season. If so you look to trade him this time next year and roll with the new QB in 2022. There is even a chance Jimmy plays well enough that he fends off the rookie and Frisco makes another deep playoff run with him, in which case you have 2 highly valuable QB's on the roster and work out who/how to trade one of them later.
There just isn't any upside in cutting Garoppolo at this point. Worst case, he plays poorly for the first couple weeks of the season and that would allow the rookie some time to learn holding a clipboard. With this current roster, there is absolutely no benefit to attempt to Start Rosen at any point in the season, barring injuries of course.
I wouldn't cut him. I'd look to trade him.
Who's trading for him now? The teams in the QB market have already brought someone in, or will be drafting their guy.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:They CAN keep him this year, but you lose a major benefit of moving off him by eating $26 million this season. I agree that the most likely outcome is that they stick with Garoppolo and try to make a SB run, I'm just not at all convinced it's the right move.
I guess the flip side is that you make a legit SB run. And you probably push that 2022 first back 8+ spots. Might be worth eating the salary, but man, that's tough to swallow. It would be amazing if Rosen actually shows that he can be the starter this year, but certainly not holding my breath on that one.
At this point they have mostly made their free agent moves and have the roster set. Not sure they see the cap savings as such a deal breaker
Then they're dumb. 80% of the benefit of a rookie QB is the cap savings.
Maybe Garoppolo boosts his trade value, but how much? The Pats are fairly desperate for a QB, after making a lot of big-money moves this year. They may not be as much so next year. As said, if I had to put money on it, I'd take Garoppolo to be the starter this next year, I'm just not at all sold on that being the right call. Still processing all of this, though.
thesack12 wrote:Ian Rappaport reporting that Eagles were wanting to trader into #3 but only to get Zach Wilson. Apparently they backed off after learning Jets are expected to take Wilson.
Ian thinks 9ers target is Lance
Pattersonca65 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:At this point they have mostly made their free agent moves and have the roster set. Not sure they see the cap savings as such a deal breaker
Then they're dumb. 80% of the benefit of a rookie QB is the cap savings.
Maybe Garoppolo boosts his trade value, but how much? The Pats are fairly desperate for a QB, after making a lot of big-money moves this year. They may not be as much so next year. As said, if I had to put money on it, I'd take Garoppolo to be the starter this next year, I'm just not at all sold on that being the right call. Still processing all of this, though.
I agree about the cap savings over time. But for this season I am just not sure how much that cap savings really matters. Are they going to make some big free agent trade at this point? Are they going redo Warner's contract and front load the cap hit this year? Can they even do that or is something like that even realistic? As long as Jimmy G has a decent year there will be some qb hungry team willing to throw a draft pick to get him but we are not going to get a ton for him and I don't think the Pats are going to do so either
CrimsonCrew wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Then they're dumb. 80% of the benefit of a rookie QB is the cap savings.
Maybe Garoppolo boosts his trade value, but how much? The Pats are fairly desperate for a QB, after making a lot of big-money moves this year. They may not be as much so next year. As said, if I had to put money on it, I'd take Garoppolo to be the starter this next year, I'm just not at all sold on that being the right call. Still processing all of this, though.
I agree about the cap savings over time. But for this season I am just not sure how much that cap savings really matters. Are they going to make some big free agent trade at this point? Are they going redo Warner's contract and front load the cap hit this year? Can they even do that or is something like that even realistic? As long as Jimmy G has a decent year there will be some qb hungry team willing to throw a draft pick to get him but we are not going to get a ton for him and I don't think the Pats are going to do so either
You can roll over cap savings, so there's really no such thing as "savings this year" any more. Savings this year are additional cap space next year. Though yes, they could certainly eat into that space with a Warner extension.
The more I mull, the more I am re-thinking my position. I don't love Garoppolo (frankly don't even particularly like him), but with him we're a playoff team. With a rookie...who knows? Run it out with him, hopefully he replicates 2019, we win the SB, flip Jimmy for at least a second, and send the latest possible pick to the Dolphins.
Pattersonca65 wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:Pattersonca65 wrote:
That is alot to give up. It is a risk. They better not screw this pick up. They could still keep Jimmy G this year rather than roll with a rookie but it must be QB and Jimmy Gs time is limted
This is just rolling with Jimmy as a lame duck. Trade him now while he has some value to the Pats. Then sign Alex Smith to be the vet mentor.
I would rather roll forward this year with Jimmy G than Alex Smith. They signed alot of guys to one year deals who might not be back next year
Makes senseGS Warriors 1 wrote:Miami used their own 2022 1st, not SF's, in the Eagles trade.
wco81 wrote:They just better be damn sure the players likely to be available at #3 is someone who's not going to be a bust.
This is a franchise bet, either will making the 49ers very good for the next decade or will be a bust and hamstring them from the lost picks.
I was going to say, Miami could use a QB but that would be an admission that Too was a mistake, just a year after they drafted him. But with #6, they could still get one of the top QB prospects of this draft class.
thesack12 wrote:wco81 wrote:They just better be damn sure the players likely to be available at #3 is someone who's not going to be a bust.
This is a franchise bet, either will making the 49ers very good for the next decade or will be a bust and hamstring them from the lost picks.
I was going to say, Miami could use a QB but that would be an admission that Too was a mistake, just a year after they drafted him. But with #6, they could still get one of the top QB prospects of this draft class.
You're absolutely right, this is a franchise defining move for the next 5 years or so. It sure as hell better work out, or the Lynchahan regime will be done.
Moves like this didn't work out for Washington with RG3. Didn't work out for the Jets with Darnold. Didn't work out for the Rams with Goff. Didn't work out for Chicago with Trubisky, although the leap up the board/price wasn't drastic. Didn't work out for Arizona with Rosen. Philly making the move for Wentz wasn't a disaster, but it didn't work out super great either.
KC's move up for Mahomes ended up being a grand slam home run. Houston's move up for Watson turned out great... until now.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:thesack12 wrote:wco81 wrote:They just better be damn sure the players likely to be available at #3 is someone who's not going to be a bust.
This is a franchise bet, either will making the 49ers very good for the next decade or will be a bust and hamstring them from the lost picks.
I was going to say, Miami could use a QB but that would be an admission that Too was a mistake, just a year after they drafted him. But with #6, they could still get one of the top QB prospects of this draft class.
You're absolutely right, this is a franchise defining move for the next 5 years or so. It sure as hell better work out, or the Lynchahan regime will be done.
Moves like this didn't work out for Washington with RG3. Didn't work out for the Jets with Darnold. Didn't work out for the Rams with Goff. Didn't work out for Chicago with Trubisky, although the leap up the board/price wasn't drastic. Didn't work out for Arizona with Rosen. Philly making the move for Wentz wasn't a disaster, but it didn't work out super great either.
KC's move up for Mahomes ended up being a grand slam home run. Houston's move up for Watson turned out great... until now.
Aside from KC, none of those teams had the core we do. Sure from a QB stand point it wasn't truly worth it. Goff went to a super bowl, and Wentz had a great year the year they won the super bowl before we went down.
I think you have to make a move. This makes sense. It all comes down to hitting on the pick. If this guy is the next Watson, nobody will care what we gave up. If hes the next Darnold, well....