Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

[Ben]

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:


Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.


Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.


Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?


You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.


Hmm...


Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.


Done and done.

The ironic thing about all of that nonsense is that the Chicago Bulls fanbase is arguably the most toxic in all of sports, and it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of me. Absurdly, almost comically pessimistic; it’s hilarious, and those comments from the other night were almost like a comic writer’s parody of your typical Bulls fan LOL. Like if someone sat down & wrote a sketch about your average Bulls fan, it’d essentially be that thread from the other night. I don’t even even want to repeat some of those comments because they were so utterly cringe, but they definitely deserve to be compiled for comic relief going forward.

Also, perhaps learn to read more thoroughly? Anyone that watches NBA basketball would’ve been disappointed with the Bulls giving up 4/5 1st rounders for Vooch, and it would indeed have been an atrocious decision....but They obviously got him for nothing. Durpy derp

You should probably quit while you're behind. That response to you stepping in it is going to go down in RealGM history, and that's a long time.

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Yep, I just dropped in to say "cool!" to all of my old-time Bulls board peeps, but this epic pwning instantly dwarfed the trade's impact.

Anyway, pretty cool move for long-suffering Bulls fans. Sure, there's a risk in trading for a 30 year old big man (Ben Wallace territory, although not quite that old), but Vucevic seems to be in good health for what he does. And at any rate, the Bulls weren't on a recognizable path to elite status with this season's cast, and now they have two outstanding offensive threats. If you stand pat you stand mediocre, even if you're trending upward. This trade showed some cojones, acumen, and a vision for near-term excellence. It's fun to have a legit reason to be excited, and Bulls fans haven't been there for a while. Nice.

[VolumePoster]

[quote="transplant"]Since the Bulls traded away 2 first-round picks, it should make them better now. Given this, I love the trade. Vucevic is exactly what the Bulls need as a big. With Carter Jr., the Bulls could never play inside out. Carter never was able to work with LaVine on the P&R/P&P. Donovan tried hard to make Carter an outside threat, but it didn't take. Vucevic and LaVine should be deadly.

I've read that Vucevic is a defensive liability. True, he's not a rim-protector/shot-blocker, but he's a credible presence in the lane.

When I look at all the trades, the Bulls have moved away from players who have potential that has yet to be realized in favor of players who know what the f the NBA is about and what the f they're about. Nice job, AKME.[/quote

Right. And here’s the thing. They still have young talented players. They’re just mixed in with, you know, ADULTS.

You can’t throw out youngsters year after year and expect success. The Bulls have a much better mix now. Patrick, Lauri, Coby and even Troy Brown are now in a much better position to succeed.

Yessir.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

I like the deal. I am okay with taking a break from tanking and seeing out the rest of Zach Lavine's prime. Lets go all-in for the next 5-7 years and talk about tanking/rebuilding once Zach is on the decline.

I’d wager Chicago never tanks again. I don’t see it ever happening, not now. No reason to. The elite franchises don’t tank nor rebuild, they’re always competitive because they develop talent correctly. Plain & simple. Even in 5/7 years down the road, Arturas & co will have guys ready to contribute. That’s how the elites operate. There is no tanking nor rebuilding, ever. San Antonio, Denver, Miami, Utah, Boston, etc. The only way I see Chicago selecting in the lottery again is if they somehow acquire a lotto pick

Yup. I think in 10-15 years people are gonna laugh at "the process" /tank stuff. Like a well timed tank because of an unfortunate injury... Okay. But this multi year stuff, nah.

[Michael Jackson]

Since the Bulls traded away 2 first-round picks, it should make them better now. Given this, I love the trade. Vucevic is exactly what the Bulls need as a big. With Carter Jr., the Bulls could never play inside out. Carter never was able to work with LaVine on the P&R/P&P. Donovan tried hard to make Carter an outside threat, but it didn't take. Vucevic and LaVine should be deadly.

I've read that Vucevic is a defensive liability. True, he's not a rim-protector/shot-blocker, but he's a credible presence in the lane.

When I look at all the trades, the Bulls have moved away from players who have potential that has yet to be realized in favor of players who know what the f the NBA is about and what the f they're about. Nice job, AKME.[/quote

Right. And here’s the thing. They still have young talented players. They’re just mixed in with, you know, ADULTS.

You can’t throw out youngsters year after year and expect success. The Bulls have a much better mix now. Patrick, Lauri, Coby and even Troy Brown are now in a much better position to succeed.

Yessir.

Last year the Bulls had a younger avg age than a college team. They needed some more vets who are good even if they are not elite. Elite is tough to come by.

[ChicagoStrong]

[ThisGuyFawkes]

He's man enough to sport a fanny pack. My kind of guy.

[bad knees]

He's man enough to sport a fanny pack. My kind of guy.

What do you think is in the Chipotle bag, burrito or bowl? I'm betting a bowl.

[TheStig]

He's man enough to sport a fanny pack. My kind of guy.

What do you think is in the Chipotle bag, burrito or bowl? I'm betting a bowl.

Bowl with chips is a must have!

[2018C3]

Technically, wouldn't that be a crotch pack? He also already has a winter/spring Jacket and a mask. (Both things not required in Florida). Its good to see he came ready!

[FriedRise]

He's man enough to sport a fanny pack. My kind of guy.

What do you think is in the Chipotle bag, burrito or bowl? I'm betting a bowl.

Bowl with chips is a must have!

I just love how all these world class athletes get Chipotle and Panda Express for their lunch

[bad knees]

Some fun facts that I learned because I am avoiding work: Vuc is of Montenegrin descent, the same as Nikola Mirotic. Mirotic liked Chicago because of the relatively large Montenegrin community here. I think Vuc has to be excited about that. Orlando does not compare to Chicago on that front.

Another Montenegrin: Gregg Popovich. Maybe we could entice Pop to come to beautiful Chicago to coach some day.

[HouseOfLight]

I like the deal. I am okay with taking a break from tanking and seeing out the rest of Zach Lavine's prime. Lets go all-in for the next 5-7 years and talk about tanking/rebuilding once Zach is on the decline.

I’d wager Chicago never tanks again. I don’t see it ever happening, not now. No reason to. The elite franchises don’t tank nor rebuild, they’re always competitive because they develop talent correctly. Plain & simple. Even in 5/7 years down the road, Arturas & co will have guys ready to contribute. That’s how the elites operate. There is no tanking nor rebuilding, ever. San Antonio, Denver, Miami, Utah, Boston, etc. The only way I see Chicago selecting in the lottery again is if they somehow acquire a lotto pick

Yup. I think in 10-15 years people are gonna laugh at "the process" /tank stuff. Like a well timed tank because of an unfortunate injury... Okay. But this multi year stuff, nah.

Precisely. Arturas himself said something along the lines of “I sincerely hope that this franchise never picks in the lottery ever again”, and I don’t think they will

The top teams are never in rebuild mode; they’re constantly stashing, developing, moving parts around, rinse/repeat, and they’re always grooming assistant coaches & rotating/expanding developmental personnel & tactics in order to keep things fresh & ahead of the curve, etc etc.

If something doesn’t work out, no big deal, we’ve got a guy in Europe ready to come over, or a guy in the G-League that we’ve been developing & are high on, so on & so forth. On to the next one. The best FOs are never sleeping, constantly grinding away

Unless something enormously drastic occurs, I just don’t see a reason for Chicago to ever tank or do a full-tear down ever again. There’s just no reason for a huge market juggernaut (that should & will be an epicentre of FA activity & immense brand growth potential) with competent management to ever blow it up.

The Bulls are third in the entire NBA in overall revenue. *Third*, and this is after them being the laughing stock of the league for the past 20 years. All they needed to do was burn down the decrepit house that uncle Jerry built, and hire elite professional management, and the sky was the limit. This was always the case for the Bulls, they were a dormant goldmine/sleeping behemoth

[Salo23]

I like the fact Vuc does his thing against all types of defenders. Doesn’t matter if it’s undersized athletic bigs like Richaun Holmes or super sized bigs like Rudy Gobert, he scores against them all the same. Low post back to the basket, face up drives or pull ups, catch and shoot.

Looking at his highlights he’s lighting it up from all over the court in multiple ways, it doesn’t matter who you throw at him. Not to mention his passing ability.

How many close games did we lose with the opposing center having monster career nights and our centers putting up single digit points and rebounds? Replace that with Vuc production (and the opposing big men having to actually spend energy GUARDING Vuc defensively) instead of invisible bigs like Carter and Gafford.

[Bulliever2020]

I keep thinking back to Vuc absolutely destroying us earlier in the year and am still just in disbelief that he's a Bull now.

[basketballRob]

I like the fact Vuc does his thing against all types of defenders. Doesn’t matter if it’s undersized athletic bigs like Richaun Holmes or super sized bigs like Rudy Gobert, he scores against them all the same. Low post back to the basket, face up drives or pull ups, catch and shoot.

Looking at his highlights he’s lighting it up from all over the court in multiple ways, it doesn’t matter who you throw at him. Not to mention his passing ability.

How many close games did we lose with the opposing center having monster career nights and our centers putting up single digit points and rebounds? Replace that with Vuc production (and the opposing big men having to actually spend energy GUARDING Vuc defensively) instead of invisible bigs like Carter and Gafford.

Theis probably did the best job on him this year. He's quick enough to pick him up on the perimeter and strong enough to battle down low.

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[holdenwait]

late to the party, but gotta say .. fantastic trade. all kinds of hype

[holdenwait]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:

Obviously they should stand pat. Absolutely no point in making any unnecessary trades right now. Bulls will be fine

Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.

I saw someone suggest Vucevic too. Way too old & a career loser. Horrible idea. Way too much $$ too

Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.

Vucevic isn’t a player that the Bulls should look to invest in. That would be an atrocious idea. He’d be a decent fit & would perform, but it’d wind up being a redundant scenario pretty rapidly. Also, Vucevic is 30 year old 16th draft pick. WCJ & Coby White are *21 & 20 YEARS OF AGE RESPECTIVELY*. Should I repeat that....or...should someone else repeat it ad nauseum for you? What in gods name are you even talking about??

Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?

As I stated above, Chicago will be just fine. They’re in good hands, and as the 2nd youngest team in the entire NBA, they’re actually doing pretty well all things considered. WCJ is going to come around eventually. He had some nasty injuries that prevented him from really doing anything in the gym for prolonged periods, but once he gets his body right, he’ll be back on track. Coby will come around.

You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.

All I all, there won’t be any major moves until after this season is threw, nor should there be. There’s no rush

Hmm...

Again, the Bulls are fine. They’re right where anyone would expect an extremely young team to be at this stage, and are actually ahead of the curve, considering what these players went through over the past two seasons. They’re not in the most stable situation, but are far from unstable lmfao

Seriously, these threads after losses “omgzwutwillwedo21yroldplayerizbustomgomggz”. Bush league/reddit level hilarity

Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Done and done.

absolute savagery

[nomorezorro]

i think the next stretch of games is still going to be pretty rocky, but until that brings me back down to earth, i'm getting kind of giddy with excitement at just how good a lavine/vucevic combo can be offensively.

we're putting together two top-15 players by obpm who have served as the blindingly focal centerpieces of their respective offenses. neither one of them has played with a particularly good offensive creator, and yet they've still thrived. and their games complement each other! they both shoot and score inside and pass! it's gonna be nuts i can't wait

[Jeffster81]

You do realize that these picks are top 4 protected right? Even in the unlikely chance the Bulls stay in the lottery if they get lucky and move up they still keep the picks. You really think Carter Jr. is that good? Vooch is a significant upgrade from him.

I am beyond tired of draft picks. Draft picks equals waiting and I am tired of waiting on the Bulls to become good. The Bulls gave up two first round draft picks that are likely to be mediocre selections (in terms of where the pick ends up and not necessarily the player ORL picks), so why are people acting like the Bulls gave up the candy store for Vuc?

I have all the respect in the world for posters like DJhitek but I have to disagree with him on this. I actually don't mind if the Bulls take a break from the draft and focus on developing the players they do have.

Completely fair, I’m excited to see a better product myself. My gripe isn’t with making a move with future assets, it’s the position they chose to use those assets on. That’s all.

Gotcha. I don't mind the position they used the assets on. I've always been a fan of building a team with a 2G/C combo .v. positionless. I just think Lavine/Vuc will be an underrated duo.

[DuckIII]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:

Obviously they should stand pat. Absolutely no point in making any unnecessary trades right now. Bulls will be fine

Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.

I saw someone suggest Vucevic too. Way too old & a career loser. Horrible idea. Way too much $$ too

Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.

Vucevic isn’t a player that the Bulls should look to invest in. That would be an atrocious idea. He’d be a decent fit & would perform, but it’d wind up being a redundant scenario pretty rapidly. Also, Vucevic is 30 year old 16th draft pick. WCJ & Coby White are *21 & 20 YEARS OF AGE RESPECTIVELY*. Should I repeat that....or...should someone else repeat it ad nauseum for you? What in gods name are you even talking about??

Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?

As I stated above, Chicago will be just fine. They’re in good hands, and as the 2nd youngest team in the entire NBA, they’re actually doing pretty well all things considered. WCJ is going to come around eventually. He had some nasty injuries that prevented him from really doing anything in the gym for prolonged periods, but once he gets his body right, he’ll be back on track. Coby will come around.

You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.

All I all, there won’t be any major moves until after this season is threw, nor should there be. There’s no rush

Hmm...

Again, the Bulls are fine. They’re right where anyone would expect an extremely young team to be at this stage, and are actually ahead of the curve, considering what these players went through over the past two seasons. They’re not in the most stable situation, but are far from unstable lmfao

Seriously, these threads after losses “omgzwutwillwedo21yroldplayerizbustomgomggz”. Bush league/reddit level hilarity

Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Done and done.

Even if I hated this trade and considered it a complete disaster, it would have all been worth it to produce this post. Fatality.