Woj: Vucevic/Aminu for Carter Jr/Porter/ 2 1sts

[johnnyvann840]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:

Obviously they should stand pat. Absolutely no point in making any unnecessary trades right now. Bulls will be fine

Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.

I saw someone suggest Vucevic too. Way too old & a career loser. Horrible idea. Way too much $$ too

Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.

Vucevic isn’t a player that the Bulls should look to invest in. That would be an atrocious idea. He’d be a decent fit & would perform, but it’d wind up being a redundant scenario pretty rapidly. Also, Vucevic is 30 year old 16th draft pick. WCJ & Coby White are *21 & 20 YEARS OF AGE RESPECTIVELY*. Should I repeat that....or...should someone else repeat it ad nauseum for you? What in gods name are you even talking about??

Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?

As I stated above, Chicago will be just fine. They’re in good hands, and as the 2nd youngest team in the entire NBA, they’re actually doing pretty well all things considered. WCJ is going to come around eventually. He had some nasty injuries that prevented him from really doing anything in the gym for prolonged periods, but once he gets his body right, he’ll be back on track. Coby will come around.

You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.

All I all, there won’t be any major moves until after this season is threw, nor should there be. There’s no rush

Hmm...

Again, the Bulls are fine. They’re right where anyone would expect an extremely young team to be at this stage, and are actually ahead of the curve, considering what these players went through over the past two seasons. They’re not in the most stable situation, but are far from unstable lmfao

Seriously, these threads after losses “omgzwutwillwedo21yroldplayerizbustomgomggz”. Bush league/reddit level hilarity

Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Done and done.

Bravo

[johnnyvann840]

I like the deal. I am okay with taking a break from tanking and seeing out the rest of Zach Lavine's prime. Lets go all-in for the next 5-7 years and talk about tanking/rebuilding once Zach is on the decline.

Let's never talk about tanking ever again. It's utter nonsense and ruins my joy of being an NBA fan.

[TheStig]

"The Boston Celtics pursued a trade for Nikola Vucevic before he was moved by the Orlando Magic to the Chicago Bulls. Boston offered multiple first round picks and were a finalist."

How about that? AK out traded Danny Ainge.

Multiple first rounders lol. More like multiple second rounders. It’s always typical Danny Ainge to leak misinformation to the media in order to take off heat for him not being able to close deals. Danny hasn’t changed one bit. He always aims to rip teams off and that’s why no stars will ever be traded to the Celtics while he’s at the helm.

Did you forget about KG and Ray Allen?

[2018C3]

I agree with johnnyvann840. Rule changes have made this type of plan more flawed then ever.

Intentional tanking never got this organization anywhere. The two best players drafted in the last 20+ years showed up unexpectedly. Rose was drafted in 2008 by luck in a random down year, and Jimmy was drafted in a year the Bulls made the playoffs.

All the tanking never got this team anywhere.

You have to be able to keep and develop the guys you draft. Even a generational talent like Lebron was not enough to win a title in Cleveland. He left for greener pastures, and only came back to win "one" because he was born there.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I just can't find complaints with this deal knowing the picks are top 4 protected. They have a All Star in his prime, they can't keep adding 19/20 year old's to the roster and hoping/praying it becomes a winning formula. It's likely it would cause Zach to leave, unless Williams breaks out, though that can happen with a 2nd All Star on the roster, which would mean the team becomes a contender in the East...

Basically, keeping the pick and drafting Corey Kispert isn't going to make this team better. Vuc on the other hand...

[StunnerKO]

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[WindyCityBorn]

I like the deal. I am okay with taking a break from tanking and seeing out the rest of Zach Lavine's prime. Lets go all-in for the next 5-7 years and talk about tanking/rebuilding once Zach is on the decline.

Let's never talk about tanking ever again. It's utter nonsense and ruins my joy of being an NBA fan.

Exactly seems quite a few people just like dreaming about how some teenager could turn out instead actually enjoying watching our team play.

[kodo]

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Damn that was some nice content. Very data driven.

At the end of the day, it wasn't just that the Bulls added a random all-star just to say they added an all-star to the team. A data analyst couldn't have hand picked a better player to add to the Bulls.

Zach Lavine is the 4th highest P&R scoring ballhandler in the league.
Vucevic is the #1 highest scoring P&R scoring rollman in the league (surprised he's out scoring Jokic here, but #s don't lie).
Bulls run the 2nd most P&R rollman scoring plays in the league.

Too much of the hype is about the Bulls adding an "all-star" which is just a label with no basketball value, and not enough that the Bulls added exactly the type of player that fits both Lavine & their play style.

Although in a real world setting, we may not see that all gel until an offseason & training camp between coaches & players.

[gobullschi]

Getting top 4 protections on those picks and Vuc's descending contract are the most underrated details about the trade. An absolute home run of a trade and I'm shocked that Orlando fans are happy with the return. Two mid 1st round picks for an all-star? Robbery.

I couldn't believe AK said he wasn't done making moves at the presser. The bar has been raised. I knew he and Eversley wanted to use the momentum from the Last Dance to help rebuild the leagues opinion of the Bulls organization, but I thought it would take much longer than this. They have completely changed the entire environment of the organization in a few months. Patrick Williams, Coby White, & Lauri Markkanen are in the ideal environment for player development - next to two-all stars (LaVine & Vuc), next to multiple savvy vets (Thad, Sato, Temple), playoff basketball, AND enough minutes available to still get significant playing time.

I have my concerns with Vuc, specifically how teams will attack him in the playoffs, but beggars can't be choosers. You add the best talent available and then construct the rest of the team around them. When you look at all the other pieces that were added, they all appear to compliment' the rest of the roster (at least on paper).

I like the upside that Troy Brown Jr. brings, but I worry he wont see much playing time. I'm looking forward to hearing what Billy Donovan has to say about all the new talent on his roster.

[TyrusRose2425]

I have to give credit where it is do.

Check out this post from Senior Mod "HomoSapien" on Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:59 pm. Just over a month ago.

It was in the topic: "Let's Shift The Discussion: What Does A Team Built Around Zach LaVine Look Like" On page 12.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2041002&start=220

"I've been mentioning Vuc for several seasons now. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA and is a victim to the undervaluing of centers. Has a guy averaging 24 and 12 ever been less talked about? Orlando really should trade him and blow up that team, because they are going nowhere fast and are also getting older. I know trading Lauri was mentioned but I'd actually offer Carter and Porter for Vuc and Aminu (salary filler).

Carter and Vuc won't be able to successfully play together anyway, and there's no point in burying Carter to the bench. I also think there's a shot of Vuc opening up things for Lauri with his passing ability. His elite rebounding also helps hide Lauri's issues on the boards."

Wow, that was pretty much spot on! Congrats for having the foresight that this might be possible "HomoSapien".

Thanks for the shout-out, man! This may be the first time ever the Bulls have done a move that I've been advocating for, so I'm about as happy as a fan can be. My guess is that Siakam is the guy they target next, with Kawhi being a longshot possibility if LAC stumbles in the playoffs.

That’s funny because Siakam was exactly the guy I was thinking of who we could realistically target next

[Dominator83]

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Not only is this the greatest trade in Bulls franchise history, but Chicago absolutely decimated everyone else who was active at the deadline. They won it by a complete landslide. AK demoralized the Magic. This was akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc. I

I don’t people realize just how good the Voochmeister is. He’s the best C in the league on some nights. He is a BEAST, one of the last true Swiss Army knife unicorn Cs in basketball who can do everything well & at an absurdly high level. He’s an Ironman who is always healthy. He’s still got 4/5 years of great play left in him, and he’s somehow on an affordable deal. He & ZLV are gonna be incredible together, people have no idea

And this is just the beginning

I seriously have no idea how he battered up Orlando like that. Whoa. That was an obscene robbery. Even if WCJ becomes Horford x100, it’s one of the worst trades in recent memory. Just below the Butler trade in terms of “wow wtf were they thinking...”. I was against getting Vooci Mane because I thought it’d cost like 4 1sts or something crazy, but had no idea that AK was going to torch a team like he did. Either way, everyone making those comments in those other threads should copy & paste them here & in the Theis thread lmfao

The crazy thing is that Vooch is actually improving. His game relies on almost no athleticism, it’s all footwork & sheer skill. And he’s an *ironman*. Never gets hurt.

I saw someone compare this to the Boozer signing, and I’d disagree. Boozer was a massive question mark. He was extremely injury prone & Jazz fans were thrilled to see him go. It was heavily questioned whether or not he’d be the player he was post-injuries, at a slimmer weight, and he wasn’t that guy anymore. Vooch is a top 20 player in his prime, in 2021!!! This is the biggest Bulls news since the 2008 lottery announcement

Markkanen next, plz!

I don't think anyone cares about publicly humiliating others except for you. It's weird and toxic. We're all Bulls fans here. But if you're really hung up on "hilarious comments from the other night", then let's take a look at these:

Obviously they should stand pat. Absolutely no point in making any unnecessary trades right now. Bulls will be fine

Seems like quite a change of tones. AK obviously disagreed.

I saw someone suggest Vucevic too. Way too old & a career loser. Horrible idea. Way too much $$ too

Ouch. He went from "Way too old & a career loser" and a "Horrible idea" to the greatest trade in Bulls history in only a matter of a few days? He also has one of the best value contracts in the league, so I wouldn't say "Way too much $$" is an accurate statement either.

Vucevic isn’t a player that the Bulls should look to invest in. That would be an atrocious idea. He’d be a decent fit & would perform, but it’d wind up being a redundant scenario pretty rapidly. Also, Vucevic is 30 year old 16th draft pick. WCJ & Coby White are *21 & 20 YEARS OF AGE RESPECTIVELY*. Should I repeat that....or...should someone else repeat it ad nauseum for you? What in gods name are you even talking about??

Was it an "atrocious idea" or "akin to the Gasol Lakers fleece trade. Just incredible stuff from Artie & Marc"?

As I stated above, Chicago will be just fine. They’re in good hands, and as the 2nd youngest team in the entire NBA, they’re actually doing pretty well all things considered. WCJ is going to come around eventually. He had some nasty injuries that prevented him from really doing anything in the gym for prolonged periods, but once he gets his body right, he’ll be back on track. Coby will come around.

You were right about one thing: the Bulls are in good hands, just not at all in the way you implied. Seems like you were more interested in keeping things intact and banking on WCJ and Coby "coming around" and reaching their potential rather than trading for an all-star like Vuch. Crazy how things can change so drastically in just a few days.

All I all, there won’t be any major moves until after this season is threw, nor should there be. There’s no rush

Hmm...

Again, the Bulls are fine. They’re right where anyone would expect an extremely young team to be at this stage, and are actually ahead of the curve, considering what these players went through over the past two seasons. They’re not in the most stable situation, but are far from unstable lmfao

Seriously, these threads after losses “omgzwutwillwedo21yroldplayerizbustomgomggz”. Bush league/reddit level hilarity

Superiority complex and maturity issues aside, everything you said today flies in the face of what you said just a few days ago. Looks like there was room for you on the "trades are good" bandwagon after all.

There seriously needs to be someone that compiles all of the hilarious comments from the other night in multiple threads. They were too hysterical to just let fade away. It needs to be an organized poster with all of the comments plastered all over it like a collage

Done and done.

Looks like we found where Jay Mariotti was hiding

[Dominator83]

I like the deal. I am okay with taking a break from tanking and seeing out the rest of Zach Lavine's prime. Lets go all-in for the next 5-7 years and talk about tanking/rebuilding once Zach is on the decline.

This should be stickied

[Dominator83]

I think what the elite teams do more than anything is attract free agents. Look at LAL- they didn't develop Randle, Ball, or Russell. They're all gone from a team that is built around two free agent superstars (essentially). Same with MIA- they got Jimmy Butler, and now Oladipo. They did make a wise/lucky draft pick in Bam. They didn't do much a job with Justice Winslow.

I'm not sure what teams you would even call elite anymore in the nba, outside of LAL.

Oof. Not even close lol. That isn’t how that works. Is this a serious assertion?

Is that a serious question that mine was not a serious assertion? How did LAL get to be champions- acquired Lebron and AD, not by trying to develop Russell, Randle, or Ball. How did MIA get to the Finals? By picking up Jimmy Butler. And now they've added Oladipo. Same thing in BRK, although it's yet to be proven how far they can go. But traded/signed Durant, Harden, Kyrie. Not waiting on draft picks to develop.

Of course there are exceptions- MIL with Giannis, although they have not even made it to the finals yet. BOS has done well with their young corp, but they did add veterans Kemba and Hayward to complement them, and it looks like they'll have to add some more if they want to get back to the level they were at.

I'm talking about the last few years, and what things look like moving forward. GS of course built a dynasty through the draft, but that is not something I see another team doing anytime soon, unless that team is Philly, but I don't like their chances. MIA won two titles built around FA's, and CLE won their title getting back Lebron.

So outside of a few teams, it's all about being able to attract top 5, top 10 players to your team. It certainly helps if you can also develop a few pieces of your own, but that alone rarely looks like it will win titles again.

I would like to add, that even the 1 title the non-KD Warriors got, the finals MVP was Igoudala.......a FA signing.

[kyrv]

Oof. Not even close lol. That isn’t how that works. Is this a serious assertion?

Is that a serious question that mine was not a serious assertion? How did LAL get to be champions- acquired Lebron and AD, not by trying to develop Russell, Randle, or Ball. How did MIA get to the Finals? By picking up Jimmy Butler. And now they've added Oladipo. Same thing in BRK, although it's yet to be proven how far they can go. But traded/signed Durant, Harden, Kyrie. Not waiting on draft picks to develop.

Of course there are exceptions- MIL with Giannis, although they have not even made it to the finals yet. BOS has done well with their young corp, but they did add veterans Kemba and Hayward to complement them, and it looks like they'll have to add some more if they want to get back to the level they were at.

I'm talking about the last few years, and what things look like moving forward. GS of course built a dynasty through the draft, but that is not something I see another team doing anytime soon, unless that team is Philly, but I don't like their chances. MIA won two titles built around FA's, and CLE won their title getting back Lebron.

So outside of a few teams, it's all about being able to attract top 5, top 10 players to your team. It certainly helps if you can also develop a few pieces of your own, but that alone rarely looks like it will win titles again.

I would like to add, that even the 1 title the non-KD Warriors got, the finals MVP was Igoudala.......a FA signing.

With the move now towards players picking where they play, even when under contract, I think tanking will give even worse results.

Superstars winning titles with continued service to the drafting team, Golden State with Curry is an exception. Pretty rare last few decades.

Side note, been watching tons of soccer, who cares ;p but man relegation is a beautiful thing.


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[Muzbar]

Oof. Not even close lol. That isn’t how that works. Is this a serious assertion?

Is that a serious question that mine was not a serious assertion? How did LAL get to be champions- acquired Lebron and AD, not by trying to develop Russell, Randle, or Ball. How did MIA get to the Finals? By picking up Jimmy Butler. And now they've added Oladipo. Same thing in BRK, although it's yet to be proven how far they can go. But traded/signed Durant, Harden, Kyrie. Not waiting on draft picks to develop.

Of course there are exceptions- MIL with Giannis, although they have not even made it to the finals yet. BOS has done well with their young corp, but they did add veterans Kemba and Hayward to complement them, and it looks like they'll have to add some more if they want to get back to the level they were at.

I'm talking about the last few years, and what things look like moving forward. GS of course built a dynasty through the draft, but that is not something I see another team doing anytime soon, unless that team is Philly, but I don't like their chances. MIA won two titles built around FA's, and CLE won their title getting back Lebron.

So outside of a few teams, it's all about being able to attract top 5, top 10 players to your team. It certainly helps if you can also develop a few pieces of your own, but that alone rarely looks like it will win titles again.

I would like to add, that even the 1 title the non-KD Warriors got, the finals MVP was Igoudala.......a FA signing.

Igoudala was acquired via trade from the Denver Nuggets.

[erlim]

ESPN says the Magic beat us at the trade deadline:

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31133915/nikola-vucevic-trade-grades-means-bulls-magic

[Dominator83]

Is that a serious question that mine was not a serious assertion? How did LAL get to be champions- acquired Lebron and AD, not by trying to develop Russell, Randle, or Ball. How did MIA get to the Finals? By picking up Jimmy Butler. And now they've added Oladipo. Same thing in BRK, although it's yet to be proven how far they can go. But traded/signed Durant, Harden, Kyrie. Not waiting on draft picks to develop.

Of course there are exceptions- MIL with Giannis, although they have not even made it to the finals yet. BOS has done well with their young corp, but they did add veterans Kemba and Hayward to complement them, and it looks like they'll have to add some more if they want to get back to the level they were at.

I'm talking about the last few years, and what things look like moving forward. GS of course built a dynasty through the draft, but that is not something I see another team doing anytime soon, unless that team is Philly, but I don't like their chances. MIA won two titles built around FA's, and CLE won their title getting back Lebron.

So outside of a few teams, it's all about being able to attract top 5, top 10 players to your team. It certainly helps if you can also develop a few pieces of your own, but that alone rarely looks like it will win titles again.

I would like to add, that even the 1 title the non-KD Warriors got, the finals MVP was Igoudala.......a FA signing.

Igoudala was acquired via trade from the Denver Nuggets.

Ok. I guess technically they did a S&T to get SOMETHING after they already agreed to a FA deal. Kinda like how Cleveland "traded" LeBron to Miami

[Repeat 3-peat]

ESPN says the Magic beat us at the trade deadline:

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31133915/nikola-vucevic-trade-grades-means-bulls-magic

They sure did.

Trading a legit All Star center for two picks that have zero chance of jumping ahead in the lottery, plus a undersized center that gives opposing centers career nights. Total win.

[BullChit]

https://youtu.be/1DhZYSCQu5w

I am still buzzing quite a bit guys.... Seeing him dunk on and hit shot over some of the centres we've been pining over....

Also on Vuce and defence.

At the very least he will make the likes of an Embiid, Jokic, hell he will make all.of his match ups expend energy on the defensive end so they aren't daisy fresh and ready to score 50+ points

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[Jstock12]

https://youtu.be/1DhZYSCQu5w

I am still buzzing quite a bit guys.... Seeing him dunk on and hit shot over some of the centres we've been pining over....

Also on Vuce and defence.

At the very least he will make the likes of an Embiid, Jokic, hell he will make all.of his match ups expend energy on the defensive end so they aren't daisy fresh and ready to score 50+ points

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Those highlights are nice. Makes me a bit sad he wasted such a big part of his prime on a losing team. Hopefully that will change with the Bulls.