NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

[KGtabake]

Cmon you Nuggets!

[HMFFL]

Can’t go wrong with any of Jokic, Giannis or Harden. Those are the top 3 and only true candidates for MVP. Embiid should’ve won it but injuries cost him and he’s out. Get out of here with the LeBron MVP nonsense.

Since Embiid went down I feel the same.
I would like to see Giannis three peat, but he needs to get the #1 seed, and Milwaukee is currently third.
Jokic is deserving and it shows in the odds because he has a large lead.

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[Mickey8]

On First Take it was amazing how Stephen A. Smith was saying the fact that Harden had to adapt to a new team was why he's MVP along with his consistency (and also praised Lillard's consistency while ignoring Jokic). As if being traded is a good thing in the MVP race

Look how they praising Jokic teammates Porter and Murray, they just go over Jokic like he's just a rotational guy for Denver , "they have Jokic, but this brotha Porter or Murray is special I swear there is some f..... up conspiracy against Jokic, in the media and by the ref's , the fact that he gets fouled in front of the ref's eyes , nobody in the league gets fouled as much as Jokic while he's scoring, he should have clear 2,3 per game , and ones , just look at some of his game highlights , not to mention all bumps and pushes he receives , I like when he yells and screaming at the refs when he gets fouled during the basket scoring , like he's trying to wake them up from the hypnosis, the refs are feet away and looking directly at the play and they don't whistle obvious foul

[Duke4life831]

On First Take it was amazing how Stephen A. Smith was saying the fact that Harden had to adapt to a new team was why he's MVP along with his consistency (and also praised Lillard's consistency while ignoring Jokic). As if being traded is a good thing in the MVP race

I just searched NBA MVP in youtube and watched some small clips from First Take, Jalen Rose, some Fox shows, and stuff.

One thing seems to be very clear, even if Jokic wins, the narrative will be, he only won because Embiid and LeBron went down with injury. Dont get me wrong I thought it was going to be tight between Embiid and Jokic if Embiid stayed healthy. But all along it has seemed like as long as Jokic gets his team to a top 3 seed, he has been the MVP for the majority of the season. The national media really doesnt seem to like the idea of Jokic winning it haha.

About 3 minutes of listening to all that stuff has reminded me why I dont waste any time of my day listening to "the experts".

[Sgt Major]

I wonder if Jokic even knows that all those idiots exist

[NADALalot]

Depends if Jokic is a fan of general hospital.

[HMFFL]

The media heads just talk in circles. SAS was criticizing James Harden how he was acting in Houston and handled the situation and now he's praising him.

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[Kurtz]

This guy <3

But he didn't dunk it, you see, so he's not mvp enough for the media

[eminence]

Gobert, better be on the next dang ballot.

[Ballerhogger]

I think this pretty true about harden his narrative right now

If harden didn't quit on his original team and put up the numbers he is putting up now and demanded for a trade the narrative switches and he probably wins the MVP, but Actions have consequences. The writers and voters probably will hold it against him
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[Ballerhogger]

Nikola Jokic
Joel Embiid
Lebrin James
Giannis Antetokounmpo
James Harden

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/

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see that right there shows there hold it against harden

[Grits n Gravy]

Jokic's stats are just hilarious
27.2/11.1/8.6/1.6 steals
57%
42.7 %3
87.1 %ft
Almost 3-1 assists/Turnover
Leads almost all advanced stats - PER, win shares, box +/-
Maybe the most efficient season ever?

[Statlanta]

Harden and his team is running the transaction market. There's no way he will finish with a benevolent narrative. He has to out produce Joker for that MVP crown

[Big J]

Mitchell seems to be making a push to get in this thing.

Donovan Mitchell’s last 6 games:

35 PTS - 2 REB - 7 AST
35 PTS - 5 REB - 6 AST
27 PTS - 6 REB - 7 AST
30 PTS - 6 REB - 6 AST
31 PTS - 5 REB - 6 AST
42 PTS - 4 REB - 6 AST

[ken6199]

I think this pretty true about harden his narrative right now

If harden didn't quit on his original team and put up the numbers he is putting up now and demanded for a trade the narrative switches and he probably wins the MVP, but Actions have consequences. The writers and voters probably will hold it against him
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If he didn’t quit his team would be 7-8th seed right now at best and the voters will be like nahhh winning matters. We have seen that for years.

For a player like Harden voters will always pick something against him. Lowe said that himself. The only time they will give it to him is they run out of excuses in 2018, and after that, it’s “okay u got yours now please go away”.

Plus there is no way he has those stat line in Houston, where he had to do all the scoring plus creation AND not having enough wins. The narratives will again be “winning matters”, “Hardens play does not translate to winning”, “lol just a stat padder”. The realty is, how can you average 10+ asssists playing with a bunch of 33% 3pt shooters? So let’s face it, with some people, in some situation, you just cannot win no matter what you do.

[eathb_au]

Even the seedings argument is ridiculous (although I get it), Jokic has never played with a second star before. His second and third best players are Murray and Porter and fourth best player is Will Barton (maybe Aaron Gordon now), like that's just a weak cast.

[NirvanaFC]

On First Take it was amazing how Stephen A. Smith was saying the fact that Harden had to adapt to a new team was why he's MVP along with his consistency (and also praised Lillard's consistency while ignoring Jokic). As if being traded is a good thing in the MVP race

I can't believe Stephen A. Smith has a vote for MVP.

[bballfan1three3]

On First Take it was amazing how Stephen A. Smith was saying the fact that Harden had to adapt to a new team was why he's MVP along with his consistency (and also praised Lillard's consistency while ignoring Jokic). As if being traded is a good thing in the MVP race

Look how they praising Jokic teammates Porter and Murray, they just go over Jokic like he's just a rotational guy for Denver , "they have Jokic, but this brotha Porter or Murray is special I swear there is some f..... up conspiracy against Jokic, in the media and by the ref's , the fact that he gets fouled in front of the ref's eyes , nobody in the league gets fouled as much as Jokic while he's scoring, he should have clear 2,3 per game , and ones , just look at some of his game highlights , not to mention all bumps and pushes he receives , I like when he yells and screaming at the refs when he gets fouled during the basket scoring , like he's trying to wake them up from the hypnosis, the refs are feet away and looking directly at the play and they don't whistle obvious foul

What conspiracy? He looks foreign, he's not from Atlanta, its staring you in the face just admit what the OBVIOUS reason is he ain't the next MJ thats for sure he don't look the part!! JOKIC is Stephen a smiths worse nightmare a goofy doughy tall Serbian who's strong as **** and punks his idols night in night out WAR JOKIC

[AdagioPace]

On First Take it was amazing how Stephen A. Smith was saying the fact that Harden had to adapt to a new team was why he's MVP along with his consistency (and also praised Lillard's consistency while ignoring Jokic). As if being traded is a good thing in the MVP race

Look how they praising Jokic teammates Porter and Murray, they just go over Jokic like he's just a rotational guy for Denver , "they have Jokic, but this brotha Porter or Murray is special I swear there is some f..... up conspiracy against Jokic, in the media and by the ref's , the fact that he gets fouled in front of the ref's eyes , nobody in the league gets fouled as much as Jokic while he's scoring, he should have clear 2,3 per game , and ones , just look at some of his game highlights , not to mention all bumps and pushes he receives , I like when he yells and screaming at the refs when he gets fouled during the basket scoring , like he's trying to wake them up from the hypnosis, the refs are feet away and looking directly at the play and they don't whistle obvious foul

What conspiracy? He looks foreign, he's not from Atlanta, its staring you in the face just admit what the OBVIOUS reason is he ain't the next MJ thats for sure he don't look the part!! JOKIC is Stephen a smiths worse nightmare a goofy doughy tall Serbian who's strong as **** and punks his idols night in night out WAR JOKIC

It will be amazing to his face if jokic wins. The only thing that would maybe get SAS over this cultural mental block is Jokic playing for the knicks...maybe

[bballfan1three3]

Look how they praising Jokic teammates Porter and Murray, they just go over Jokic like he's just a rotational guy for Denver , "they have Jokic, but this brotha Porter or Murray is special I swear there is some f..... up conspiracy against Jokic, in the media and by the ref's , the fact that he gets fouled in front of the ref's eyes , nobody in the league gets fouled as much as Jokic while he's scoring, he should have clear 2,3 per game , and ones , just look at some of his game highlights , not to mention all bumps and pushes he receives , I like when he yells and screaming at the refs when he gets fouled during the basket scoring , like he's trying to wake them up from the hypnosis, the refs are feet away and looking directly at the play and they don't whistle obvious foul

What conspiracy? He looks foreign, he's not from Atlanta, its staring you in the face just admit what the OBVIOUS reason is he ain't the next MJ thats for sure he don't look the part!! JOKIC is Stephen a smiths worse nightmare a goofy doughy tall Serbian who's strong as **** and punks his idols night in night out WAR JOKIC

It will be amazing to his face if jokic wins. The only thing that would maybe get SAS over this cultural mental block is Jokic playing for the knicks...maybe

I think that would cause a class 3 irony explosion, too risky, we don't want the blast to affect the Nets after all