These moves are for next year.

thebizkit · Post #1 » by **thebizkit** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:13 pm

Don't get me wrong, the moves that the Bulls just pulled off will clearly help them compete against the best teams today, but these moves are with 2022 in mind.

You aren't beating the top 3 teams in the East without a legit starting caliber point guard, Bulls were not able to accomplish this via a trade, so expect them to go hard after one via FA next season.

PG - Ball
SG - Zach
SF - Derozen
PF - Young or a contract friendly Lauri
C - Vuc

That's a top 3 team I'm the east.

kodo · Post #2 » by **kodo** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:33 pm

I don't think we have the cap space for stuff like this.

And if we renegotiate to lock Lavine in, we don't have any cap space. And that requires dropping one of Thad & Sato in addition to Lauri, from some quick #s I ran.

ChettheJet · Post #3 » by **ChettheJet** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:17 pm

If they want to sign Ball then there's little to no chance they keep Lauri, heck that was the trade they didn't make. Adding Vucevic is important because they still need to solve the PG question and the PF spot. The good news is they don't need to try to add 2 all stars or even one max deal, more like they need a pair of solid contributors. You just don't know yet what FAs think of what the Bulls have for next season, who is ring chasing and how much any veteran really is looking for.

What are they willing to pay Markkanen, what would another team offer him? Felicio, Arcidiacono, Valentine, Temple are still expiring, Young and Satoransky could be bought out if they can find someone better. Theis is non guaranteed but if he plays to form he's worth keeping.

The lineup next season starts with Lavine, Vucevic and Williams who should improve with off season workouts and coaching in addition to a full year as a starter. He also provides flexibility, they need to add a front court starter and that could be a SF or a PF. Maybe Aminu is healthy and a capable backup at worst 3rd string. Maybe Brown and Green look like they are worth keeping on the roster.

NecessaryEvil · Post #4 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:10 pm

With teams like Houston & TOR on the verge of rebuilding we need to try and figure out a way for Siakam or Christian Woods

Magic beans · Post #5 » by **Magic beans** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:39 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:With teams like Houston & TOR on the verge of rebuilding we need to try and figure out a way for Siakam or Christian Woods

Long identified siakam and woods as players that we could use. Also like jerami grant. Not sure if possible but to me it looks more and more likely Lauri will be on his way.

TheFinishSniper · Post #6 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:32 pm

Magic beans wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:With teams like Houston & TOR on the verge of rebuilding we need to try and figure out a way for Siakam or Christian Woods

Long identified siakam and woods as players that we could use. Also like jerami grant. Not sure if possible but to me it looks more and more likely Lauri will be on his way.

Siakam and Grant wont be available for less than multiple picks, presumably lottery ones. Bulls can trade I guess 22' and 24' picks but how much value they have with having now 2x All-Stars on roster. Those will be mid to likely late 1st picks. We would likely need 3rd team involved, unless Bulls decided to trade PWill but then you have hole at 3. Deal with Pistons could be done for Grant cause we know they were high on him. But either way price would I guess be PWill, White, 2x 1sts and possibly something more.

MrSparkle · Post #7 » by **MrSparkle** » Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:34 pm

I'm ready for some surprises.

Now that two FRPs are off the board, I feel AKME and BD need to produce assets with the roster. If they can jack the value of Coby, Pat and Troy with a strong post-season appearance, or atleast by next mid-season, the possibilities become endless. Also, if Sato/Thad/Aminu play well, that could be a great combination of expiring/productive vets to use on the S&T market (in case the Lonzo interest is legit). If NOP adds another rookie guard with a top-4 pick, they're gonna need vets to balance out the frat house.

Likewise, a strong Lauri campaign would be great for S&T out options. If you could get a FRP or something, that's a good return to work with.

Otherwise, we're gonna mill. I did feel like Vucevic, being a high IQ passer and team guy, was directly meant to be positive for development.

WindyCityBorn · Post #8 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:47 am

TheFinishSniper wrote:
Magic beans wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:With teams like Houston & TOR on the verge of rebuilding we need to try and figure out a way for Siakam or Christian Woods

Long identified siakam and woods as players that we could use. Also like jerami grant. Not sure if possible but to me it looks more and more likely Lauri will be on his way.

Siakam and Grant wont be available for less than multiple picks, presumably lottery ones. Bulls can trade I guess 22' and 24' picks but how much value they have with having now 2x All-Stars on roster. Those will be mid to likely late 1st picks. We would likely need 3rd team involved, unless Bulls decided to trade PWill but then you have hole at 3. Deal with Pistons could be done for Grant cause we know they were high on him. But either way price would I guess be PWill, White, 2x 1sts and possibly something more.

I don’t think we can trade our 2022 or 2024 picks. The rules prohibit teams from trading their futur picks in consecutive years even in different deals.

Hugi Mancura · Post #9 » by **Hugi Mancura** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:01 am

Bulls don't have too many trade chips anymore. PWill is pretty much only thing that has value. First pick Bulls can trade is 25' pick. It has some value. In 25 Vuc is gone or is feeling his age, so who knows how bad Bulls are at that point. Bulls can trade pick swaps, but are those worth anything? Right now Bulls should not be afraid of trading PWill. With Vuc Bulls need to succeed now and right now PWill is nowhere near of being a starter caliber player in NBA and have some trade value. Coby has some value, but less than PWill and maybe Bulls can dig up sign & trade with Lauri, but S&T's are not that valuable.

Ball would fit well, but I think Ball's price might become quite high. I wouldn't be surprised if his price would be over 20M during summer. Is Bulls willing to pay that much? I would because I think he would be more valuable to this team than Lavine and Vuc, because he can cover their defensive faults and also be valuable on offense.

Then try to find couple 3&D guys for SF and PF spots.

Post #10 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:29 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
TheFinishSniper wrote:
Magic beans wrote:
Long identified siakam and woods as players that we could use. Also like jerami grant. Not sure if possible but to me it looks more and more likely Lauri will be on his way.

Siakam and Grant wont be available for less than multiple picks, presumably lottery ones. Bulls can trade I guess 22' and 24' picks but how much value they have with having now 2x All-Stars on roster. Those will be mid to likely late 1st picks. We would likely need 3rd team involved, unless Bulls decided to trade PWill but then you have hole at 3. Deal with Pistons could be done for Grant cause we know they were high on him. But either way price would I guess be PWill, White, 2x 1sts and possibly something more.

I don’t think we can trade our 2022 or 2024 picks. The rules prohibit teams from trading their futur picks in consecutive years even in different deals.

I think 22 can be traded after this years draft? As long as 21 goes to Orlando this year and they aren’t owed the 22 one because we got a top 4. That being said if we got a top 4 this year The Whole direction of everything could change, either trading that pick or blowing up this mini rebuild and building around that pick.

Hugi Mancura · Post #11 » by **Hugi Mancura** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:40 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
TheFinishSniper wrote:
Siakam and Grant wont be available for less than multiple picks, presumably lottery ones. Bulls can trade I guess 22' and 24' picks but how much value they have with having now 2x All-Stars on roster. Those will be mid to likely late 1st picks. We would likely need 3rd team involved, unless Bulls decided to trade PWill but then you have hole at 3. Deal with Pistons could be done for Grant cause we know they were high on him. But either way price would I guess be PWill, White, 2x 1sts and possibly something more.

I don’t think we can trade our 2022 or 2024 picks. The rules prohibit teams from trading their futur picks in consecutive years even in different deals.

I think 22 can be traded after this years draft? As long as 21 goes to Orlando this year and they aren’t owed the 22 one because we got a top 4. That being said if we got a top 4 this year The Whole direction of everything could change, either trading that pick or blowing up this mini rebuild and building around that pick.

Bulls can't trade 2022 first round pick. It is stated that you can't trade future first round picks on consecutive years. So as long Bulls have traded their 2023 first round pick they can't trade 2022 or 2024 picks (Stepien rule). Bulls still can trade their 2025 or 2027 picks.

But if Bulls would only have traded their 2021 pick (and no 2023 pick), then Bulls could have traded their 2022 after this year's draft. That rule only applies to future picks. So on current situation Bulls can trade their 2024 first round pick after 2023 draft.