GSW trade Wiggins for a TPE

[5paceman]

Wiggins being overpaid has really scrambled some brains. You have a guy in here saying in FA he'd be worth the vet min. And Texas Chuck quotes a comment, agreeing that this thread is wildly premature at best, then goes on to describe how it will end with the Warriors trading Curry.

[meekrab]

Orlando is kind of tear down rehabville. They must have a ton of cap to play around for a couple of years. Houston too. If you have to spend a certain amount by league rules, what the heck? They both have a pick to spare.

Is this meant to imply that either of those teams would send out a FRP to acquire Wiggins? Because that's definitely not happening. They can easily get to the salary floor by overpaying high-upside free agents rather than known-quantity "half as good as DeMar Derozan" Wiggins.

[NYG]

Given the massive amount of cap space, limited talent in free agency and especially unrestricted wings available in free agency/trade, what do you think the winning bid on Wiggins would be in 2021 free agency if he was an unrestricted free agent? How many true wing UFA's do you rank above him in 2021 free agency?

Actually rank the true wings on the trade market this off-season and in unrestricted free agency that are better than Wiggins.

Kawhi - stays in LAC
Oladipo - stays in MIA
Derozan
Robinson - RFA
Powell
THJ
Fournier
Trent Jr - RFA
Oubre
THT - RFA

Wiggins is probably ~4th best available. But he's getting paid $15m more per season than actual value.

I think Wiggins at 2 years, $30 Million overpaid (assuming he could get the other 2 year, $30 Million in free agency) wouldn’t take as much to dump as people think. I think a ‘22 Warriors 1st could get it done.

Some teams probably take Wiggins at 2/60 plus ‘22 Warriors 1st over signing Fournier to say 4/60 without getting a 1st.

[zimpy27]

Actually rank the true wings on the trade market this off-season and in unrestricted free agency that are better than Wiggins.

Kawhi - stays in LAC
Oladipo - stays in MIA
Derozan
Robinson - RFA
Powell
THJ
Fournier
Trent Jr - RFA
Oubre
THT - RFA

Wiggins is probably ~4th best available. But he's getting paid $15m more per season than actual value.

I think Wiggins at 2 years, $30 Million overpaid (assuming he could get the other 2 year, $30 Million in free agency) wouldn’t take as much to dump as people think. I think a ‘22 Warriors 1st could get it done.

Some teams probably take Wiggins at 2/60 plus ‘22 Warriors 1st over signing Fournier to say 4/60 without getting a 1st.

I agree entirely. '22 GSW FRP gets it done.

[NYG]

Kawhi - stays in LAC
Oladipo - stays in MIA
Derozan
Robinson - RFA
Powell
THJ
Fournier
Trent Jr - RFA
Oubre
THT - RFA

Wiggins is probably ~4th best available. But he's getting paid $15m more per season than actual value.

I think Wiggins at 2 years, $30 Million overpaid (assuming he could get the other 2 year, $30 Million in free agency) wouldn’t take as much to dump as people think. I think a ‘22 Warriors 1st could get it done.

Some teams probably take Wiggins at 2/60 plus ‘22 Warriors 1st over signing Fournier to say 4/60 without getting a 1st.

I agree entirely. '22 GSW FRP gets it done.

And if the Warriors retain Oubre at a 4/60 type salary, they save $100 Million even after the T’Wolves ‘21 1st, Warriors ‘21 1st and Tax MLE by dumping Wiggins so this may be something that makes sense on their end too. 1/10 of a billion dollars is a lot of money.

[NYG]

Dwight Powell for Andrew Wiggins and Top 4 Protected 2022 Warriors 1st?

[rzzzzz]

Orlando is kind of tear down rehabville. They must have a ton of cap to play around for a couple of years. Houston too. If you have to spend a certain amount by league rules, what the heck? They both have a pick to spare.

Is this meant to imply that either of those teams would send out a FRP to acquire Wiggins? Because that's definitely not happening. They can easily get to the salary floor by overpaying high-upside free agents rather than known-quantity "half as good as DeMar Derozan" Wiggins.

Just saying, if they wanted to take a flyer at someone who some might consider athletically gifted, but motivationally challenged, it wouldn’t cost them anything. High profile rehab is one way to keep a team somewhat interesting while they’re dogging it for a good pick.

[gswhoops]

Dwight Powell for Andrew Wiggins and Top 4 Protected 2022 Warriors 1st?

Trade him for a worse, also overpaid player, and throw in a pick too? What's the upside here?

[MoneyTalks41890]

Dwight Powell for Andrew Wiggins and Top 4 Protected 2022 Warriors 1st?

Trade him for a worse, also overpaid player, and throw in a pick too? What's the upside here?

Calling Powell “also overpaid” in comparison to Wiggins is like calling me “also athletic”

[gswhoops]

This conversation is, at best, wildly premature.

Yep.

I'm obviously no fan of Wiggins, but I'd have zero interest in paying the price to dump his final 2 years. Technically considering the tax bill paying the Minny 1st or Wiseman or heck even both it would be a value win for the Warriors, but then what? Hope you could turn what little assets you had left into trading for a player who fits into said TPE nullifying much or all of the tax savings thus making the value on the Wiggins dump much worse?

I think the Boston example is instructive. We've seen basically what a large TPE and no premium assets can get you...and it's an Evan Fournier-type player. A nice guy but not someone who will raise your team's ceiling.

Bottom line for me is if a team is willing to deal a star for a package headlined by Wiseman/Min 1st they aren't going to let Wiggins inclusion break the deal. Because you'd already be knowingly rebuilding at that point so just eat Wiggins. This should be the route the Warriors look at first.

Agree with both points here. A team dealing a star is committing to a multi-year rebuild anyway. If you have to choose between two premiums assets and eating a bad contract vs. worse assets and expirings, you suffer through Wiggins' two years when those seasons don't matter anyway

[bondom34]

We did this earlier this year and the cost was at least the MIN pick to get off that contract.

[NYG]

Dwight Powell for Andrew Wiggins and Top 4 Protected 2022 Warriors 1st?

Trade him for a worse, also overpaid player, and throw in a pick too? What's the upside here?

I wonder if the Raptors would take Wiggins outright for ‘22 GSW 1st. Obviously do that instead if you could. I would recommend NY but no way Thibs/Wiggins works after the first attempt.

[gswhoops]

We did this earlier this year and the cost was at least the MIN pick to get off that contract.

To be fair, earlier this year we were talking about a 3 year contract. Now it's two years.

[bondom34]

We did this earlier this year and the cost was at least the MIN pick to get off that contract.

To be fair, earlier this year we were talking about a 3 year contract. Now it's two years.

True, still don't think I'd take less, or at least much less. Still a bottom 5 contract or close.

And earlier he was playing better iirc. For OKC don't think I'd feel good with less really for a tpe.

[Coxy]

Wiggins being overpaid has really scrambled some brains. You have a guy in here saying in FA he'd be worth the vet min. And Texas Chuck quotes a comment, agreeing that this thread is wildly premature at best, then goes on to describe how it will end with the Warriors trading Curry.

The Wiggins situation turns ordinary people into brain dead zombies. It’s hilarious.

[zimpy27]

We did this earlier this year and the cost was at least the MIN pick to get off that contract.

To be fair, earlier this year we were talking about a 3 year contract. Now it's two years.

True, still don't think I'd take less, or at least much less. Still a bottom 5 contract or close.

And earlier he was playing better iirc. For OKC don't think I'd feel good with less really for a tpe.

Only really $30m overpaid. I think it's probably worth a pick 20 attached to it for a TPE. I could see a team like the Knicks, Spurs, Magic or OKC doing it.

[bondom34]

To be fair, earlier this year we were talking about a 3 year contract. Now it's two years.

True, still don't think I'd take less, or at least much less. Still a bottom 5 contract or close.

And earlier he was playing better iirc. For OKC don't think I'd feel good with less really for a tpe.

Only really $30m overpaid. I think it's probably worth a pick 20 attached to it.

If you're paying 30 mil for a late first...that's a lot for a possible fringe rotation player in a few years.

Think that's give or take double the current price rate.

[bondom34]

True, still don't think I'd take less, or at least much less. Still a bottom 5 contract or close.

And earlier he was playing better iirc. For OKC don't think I'd feel good with less really for a tpe.

Only really $30m overpaid. I think it's probably worth a pick 20 attached to it.

If you're paying 30 mil for a late first...that's a lot for a possible fringe rotation player in a few years.

Think that's give or take double the current price rate.

Self quote, looked up a few (and tbh I'd probably argue $30M, as if he were paid 3/50 I wouldn't like it either). But:

Crabbe was owed $18.5M total and dumped for a first that ended up 17th a year later, and he was expiring.

Harkless was dumped by Portland for Whiteside in the Butler sign and trade for an unprotected first and owed a total of about $10M iirc.

So if you'd put it at $30M (I'd say more), that's like half price. Which probably puts it lotto range at best I'd say, but a pick around 20 doesn't seem like it'd do it for me at all. He's one of the worst contracts in the league.

MIN pick may be a little strong, but was the board's thoughts early season, and despite a year less on the contract I'm not sure it's that much better, and if I'm another team that's about where I'd feel OK taking it on.

[zimpy27]

Only really $30m overpaid. I think it's probably worth a pick 20 attached to it.

If you're paying 30 mil for a late first...that's a lot for a possible fringe rotation player in a few years.

Think that's give or take double the current price rate.

Self quote, looked up a few (and tbh I'd probably argue $30M, as if he were paid 3/50 I wouldn't like it either). But:

Crabbe was owed $18.5M total and dumped for a first that ended up 17th a year later, and he was expiring.

Harkless was dumped by Portland for Whiteside in the Butler sign and trade for an unprotected first and owed a total of about $10M iirc.

So if you'd put it at $30M (I'd say more), that's like half price. Which probably puts it lotto range at best I'd say, but a pick around 20 doesn't seem like it'd do it for me at all. He's one of the worst contracts in the league.

Thanks for looking into it. They are some interesting comparisons. I think you have to remember that Wiggins is still a young player that a team may want to try out before re-signing as well. I think it's a bit hard to judge, maybe GSW pick this year is the one.

[bondom34]

If you're paying 30 mil for a late first...that's a lot for a possible fringe rotation player in a few years.

Think that's give or take double the current price rate.

Self quote, looked up a few (and tbh I'd probably argue $30M, as if he were paid 3/50 I wouldn't like it either). But:

Crabbe was owed $18.5M total and dumped for a first that ended up 17th a year later, and he was expiring.

Harkless was dumped by Portland for Whiteside in the Butler sign and trade for an unprotected first and owed a total of about $10M iirc.

So if you'd put it at $30M (I'd say more), that's like half price. Which probably puts it lotto range at best I'd say, but a pick around 20 doesn't seem like it'd do it for me at all. He's one of the worst contracts in the league.

Thanks for looking into it. They are some interesting comparisons. I think you have to remember that Wiggins is still a young player that a team may want to try out before re-signing as well. I think it's a bit hard to judge, maybe GSW pick this year is the one.

They owe it to OKC if its 21 or later.

But at this point I can't agree with this at all. He's got 3 years left, that's something to do with an expiring like Oladipo. And he is what he is, you can't really sell him on potential when he was drafted the same year as a guy like Embiid or Aaron Gordon, he is what he is, and he's paid a max salary for it.