Dust settling...what’s the vision?

[Skybox]

Harris is a really really good defender and teammate. I assumed he was salary ballast and maybe so but he’s still young and I’m learning that he may be an ideal young vet/ mentor to our kiddy corps of Fultz, Hampton, and multiple picks next year. He has shot 3’s very well in the past, has struggled with injuries and shooting (related?) in recent years...it’s one thing to hope a guy learns to shoot, quite another to shoot well again. I’m going to be hopeful. Harris might be to our backcourt what Isaac is in the frontcourt. Okeke and MCW also have solid to exceptional defensive instincts. Maybe this IS a Clifford team?

Carter and Bamba are both huge question marks. If we don’t spend the rest of the season figuring it out, I’ll be really sour. Birch is not a mentor or a game winner. He’s a nice piece and he should be on BRK or BOS’ bench right now, contributing to their success. Carter, IMO, is a placeholder with a much lower ceiling. He appears to be adequate at nearly everything but not approaching elite at anything. Bamba has super-elite defensive upside but also might be out of the league quickly...I’d bring in every specialist big man guru and work with both but with my eyes really on Bamba. They could be a potent duo but I really don’t foresee them both being here this time next year...I really hope we make EVERY effort to find something in Bamba like we have patiently invested in Fultz...then, drop him if we see it’s hopeless. But, let’s not be so patient now that the rebuild fuse is lit. I would also look at Isaac transitioning to Center more and more.

Offense - IDK. Fultz and Hampton and Anthony could be electric, if undisciplined. If the shots fall for them and Harris, our post-Vuc offense has a prayer, assuming whoever we draft is a difference-maker. Cade is the obvious first option for us (and everyone). With our CHI pick, I like the senior kid from Gonzaga...a tough, mature marksman with high bbiq- Joe Harris 2.0. Okeke will play a big role here too, moving around, abusing matchups, disrupting offenses, making smart plays all over. He and Gary Harris could really be the QBs of the D- guiding physical savants like Isaac, Bamba, Hampton to the right reads and switches.

I think we may have another move on draft night, we have TRoss, a TPE, and a gaggle of picks. Harris, Carter, and/or Bamba also could be relocated. Stay tuned...lots of versatility all of a sudden. If Bamba would just blow up, the vision would be a lot clearer. I just hope that first pick is the true Alpha we need to get our offense in high gear. From what I see, Cade’s size, role, and demeanor is exactly right.

Bamba/Isaac/Carter
Isaac/Okeke/Carter
Cunningham/Okeke/TRoss
Harris/Hampton/Kispert
Fultz/Anthony/MCW

[Nyce_1]

There are too many questions right now. We just have to worry about this season. First, let's see what we acquired; that starts tonight. What can RJ do? What can Wendell do? Does Otto have anything left? Then we have to see if Mo has ANYTHING; no **** excuses now. Big Chuma!!! Can Cole/RJ play together? How are the Bulls looking (lol)? Then we go into the summer and wait to see what happens on lottery night. Once our draft picks are set in stone, we start thinking of more questions and next step.

There's no possible way to discuss everything at once without going crazy. So much can change overnight. I tried thinking of possible lineups and rotations for next season and I just gave up. Sooooo many pieces.

[dsg2021]

I like your take of what’s hopefully next, and how Harris may be a bigger piece than people thought. For this season, I really just want Harris and Otto out as many games as possible, getting healthier and staying in shape too. Then come back strong with Isaac and Fultz next season.

I don’t think Isaac has to play C, and Bamba and WCJ can end up a potent C rotation, with one long and imposing, and one strong and versatile. Maybe there doesn’t have to be any winner or loser there.

[Max Power]

I’m operating on the assumption that our roster could empty out even more on draft night, with guys like Ross, Harris and Carter being on the block. Outside of potentially T-Ross, I don’t see the guys we acquired as being long term pieces.

I really don’t want to see Khem Birch starting and getting major minutes either. It’s time to throw Mo Bamba to the wolves and see what he’s got. That’s the only way we’re going to know, this bite size minutes thing has to end with him. Get him all the run he can handle. I’d say the same with Chuma Okeke.

Obviously we need to draft a 2-3 with our top pick this year. Obviously they, along with Fultz and Issac become the pillars of the team. The Magic definitely need to start with offensive talent. The defensive talent isn’t as empty. We need scorers.

[basketballRob]

I think the offense can potentially be a lot better. The reason is AG, Vuc, and Fournier were all starting to be ball stoppers. Vuc moved the ball better than the other two. Sure AG and Fournier would pass, but if they hold it for 5 seconds, you're behind the 8 ball on that possession.

I also think Carter probably beats Mo out.


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[Skybox]

I’m going with the assumption that Otto isn’t in our future. Hopefully, there’s some SnT potential on draft night, but I can’t see us paying him, even if it’s half of the 30m atrocity of a contract he is finishing. No knock on the player, in fact, he’ll likely command 15-20m from some team with cap, if we don’t SnT. That’s yet another meaningful asset as not a lot of teams will have a ton of cap space and most big targets already extended.

[p0peye]

Our vision should be focused on acquiring young franchise player through draft or trades.

[tiderulz]

it is going to be interesting.

With the trades, we have Fultz, Anthony, Harris and RJ at the guard spots. (young with potential. MCW is what he is)

if we get a top-4 pick, most of the top picks are guards. Do we take another guard or possibly Mobley as a big man (while currently having WCJ and Bamba in the fold)?

what do we do with the 2nd pick. It seems SG is still the deepest position in the draft. Do we take someone who projects as a SG and try them out at SF with the Chicago pick? Or possibly someone like Barnes from FSU at PF? even though we have Isaac (health issues) and Chuma at PF?

Or can Chuma possibly move to a 3&D SF who we dont rely on for ball handling, similar to a Bruce Bowen type of role?

the draft will be very interesting, and then the full offseason after, to see if some of the other young players are moved.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

it is going to be interesting.

With the trades, we have Fultz, Anthony, Harris and RJ at the guard spots. (young with potential. MCW is what he is)

if we get a top-4 pick, most of the top picks are guards. Do we take another guard or possibly Mobley as a big man (while currently having WCJ and Bamba in the fold)?

what do we do with the 2nd pick. It seems SG is still the deepest position in the draft. Do we take someone who projects as a SG and try them out at SF with the Chicago pick? Or possibly someone like Barnes from FSU at PF? even though we have Isaac (health issues) and Chuma at PF?

Or can Chuma possibly move to a 3&D SF who we dont rely on for ball handling, similar to a Bruce Bowen type of role?

the draft will be very interesting, and then the full offseason after, to see if some of the other young players are moved.

I’d be interested to see if Cliff would roll out Cole Fultz RJ as 1-3 slots. It’s positionless basketball and I think it’s be fun to see what that can do.

Regardless you take BPA (hoping it’s Suggs) but that 2nd pick is where things get interesting. One of Bouknight Kispert Johnson Moody Duarte would be where I go if available.

[Skybox]

it is going to be interesting.

With the trades, we have Fultz, Anthony, Harris and RJ at the guard spots. (young with potential. MCW is what he is)

if we get a top-4 pick, most of the top picks are guards. Do we take another guard or possibly Mobley as a big man (while currently having WCJ and Bamba in the fold)?

what do we do with the 2nd pick. It seems SG is still the deepest position in the draft. Do we take someone who projects as a SG and try them out at SF with the Chicago pick? Or possibly someone like Barnes from FSU at PF? even though we have Isaac (health issues) and Chuma at PF?

Or can Chuma possibly move to a 3&D SF who we dont rely on for ball handling, similar to a Bruce Bowen type of role?

the draft will be very interesting, and then the full offseason after, to see if some of the other young players are moved.

I’d be interested to see if Cliff would roll out Cole Fultz RJ as 1-3 slots. It’s positionless basketball and I think it’s be fun to see what that can do.

Regardless you take BPA (hoping it’s Suggs) but that 2nd pick is where things get interesting. One of Bouknight Kispert Johnson Moody Duarte would be where I go if available.

Agree...I haven't seen a lot of RJ, but he's big enough to be a SF and he's assumed to be a secondary playmaker, so it's worth a shot. Would've been a little more workable with a Center who could shoot. Perhaps Okeke's shooting at PF helps but that makes us a small lineup. Lots of toys, I hope Cliff plays around with all of them.

[tiderulz]

it is going to be interesting.

With the trades, we have Fultz, Anthony, Harris and RJ at the guard spots. (young with potential. MCW is what he is)

if we get a top-4 pick, most of the top picks are guards. Do we take another guard or possibly Mobley as a big man (while currently having WCJ and Bamba in the fold)?

what do we do with the 2nd pick. It seems SG is still the deepest position in the draft. Do we take someone who projects as a SG and try them out at SF with the Chicago pick? Or possibly someone like Barnes from FSU at PF? even though we have Isaac (health issues) and Chuma at PF?

Or can Chuma possibly move to a 3&D SF who we dont rely on for ball handling, similar to a Bruce Bowen type of role?

the draft will be very interesting, and then the full offseason after, to see if some of the other young players are moved.

I’d be interested to see if Cliff would roll out Cole Fultz RJ as 1-3 slots. It’s positionless basketball and I think it’s be fun to see what that can do.

Regardless you take BPA (hoping it’s Suggs) but that 2nd pick is where things get interesting. One of Bouknight Kispert Johnson Moody Duarte would be where I go if available.

Agree...I haven't seen a lot of RJ, but he's big enough to be a SF and he's assumed to be a secondary playmaker, so it's worth a shot. Would've been a little more workable with a Center who could shoot. Perhaps Okeke's shooting at PF helps but that makes us a small lineup. Lots of toys, I hope Cliff plays around with all of them.

RJ is 6'4 with 6'7 wingspan. not big enough to be a SF in my mind.

[jonbob17]

This draft resets the franchise's fortune. Everybody else is a huge question mark. Especially Fultz, he could be great. He could be a career back up, he has a year and half to prove himself. Isaac, fingers crossed his explosiveness on defense is still there, and there will be plenty of usage available for him on offense next season to craft his game. The rookies are rookies. The centers have plenty of individual issues as well. Choose wisely in this draft, and use next year to see where we are at. Hopefully we have a core we can run with. Make moves accordingly for the 2022-23 season.

[Knightro]

I think the vision is much more long-term than short-term at this point. Wouldn't shock me at all if Ross, Birch, MCW, Porter and Ennis are all traded or not retained as free agents in the offseason. I assume Harris will stick around because there won't be much interest at $20M even on an expiring deal.

But even looking at the young guys who are here, I don't think we can unquestionably say there's a single player on the roster who is guaranteed to be here 3 seasons from now.

[zaymon]

What we know is that Jeff Weltman and Aaron Gordons vision's were not he same.

Weltman:
"You have got to be fluid, you have got to be able to pivot"

Gordon:
“They just have to stick to the plan,” Gordon said. “A rebuild is important to have a plan and follow it all the way through...Not to change concepts and change plans from year to year. Just got to stick to one type of process and follow that up.”

Harris have a real chance to be a part of our new core hearing Weltmans "We have a good one" and Cliffords " Gary Harris is one of my favourite players in the nba"
Resigning Porter on a good contract would also be great. How many 6'8 forwards with his offensive skill set are in the league ? Injuries for both guys are a risk, but when take a risk if not now ?

[ARandomStranger]

Nothing is set in stone right now, the vision is a complete retooling and rebuilding of the roster into something new and fresh. I'm expecting a lot of turn over, a lot of moving of assets, and players to acquire assets or youth. Who knows what this core will look like in two years?

[MasterGMer]

Our vision depends on what we are going to do or what we could do 2021 Summer. We could potentially have 2 Lotto picks and we could sign someone or trade for someone using our TPE. I know we are still young. But this offseason is so critical

[p0peye]

Nothing is set in stone right now, the vision is a complete retooling and rebuilding of the roster into something new and fresh. I'm expecting a lot of turn over, a lot of moving of assets, and players to acquire assets or youth. Who knows what this core will look like in two years?

And a bunch load of veteran Jeff Green-like signings in coming years. There's team minimum salary requirement we have to fulfil.

[The Effect]

Nothing is set in stone right now, the vision is a complete retooling and rebuilding of the roster into something new and fresh. I'm expecting a lot of turn over, a lot of moving of assets, and players to acquire assets or youth. Who knows what this core will look like in two years?

And a bunch load of veteran Jeff Green-like signings in coming years. There's team minimum salary requirement we have to fulfil.

I dont think were gonna have to worry about that, we arent gonna be anywhere near the cap floor
JI makes 20m
Fultz makes 17ish
Ross makes around 13
Harris makes 20
WCjr is gonna be a FA soon and will probably get a nice payday, say fultz type contract
Otto might get re-signed to a more reasonable contract, say aminu type MLE contract
A rookie top 5 pick makes big money
Bamba makes 6m

Thats about 105-110m just right there

[basketballRob]

I wouldn't give Otto much more than the mid level. He hasn't even been a full time starter for the last 3 years, and I don't think he's near as good as Ross.

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[p0peye]

Nothing is set in stone right now, the vision is a complete retooling and rebuilding of the roster into something new and fresh. I'm expecting a lot of turn over, a lot of moving of assets, and players to acquire assets or youth. Who knows what this core will look like in two years?

And a bunch load of veteran Jeff Green-like signings in coming years. There's team minimum salary requirement we have to fulfil.

I dont think were gonna have to worry about that, we arent gonna be anywhere near the cap floor
JI makes 20m
Fultz makes 17ish
Ross makes around 13
Harris makes 20
WCjr is gonna be a FA soon and will probably get a nice payday, say fultz type contract
Otto might get re-signed to a more reasonable contract, say aminu type MLE contract
A rookie top 5 pick makes big money
Bamba makes 6m

Thats about 105-110m just right there

That is kind of my point, there's two veterans in Ross and Harris already here for next season, who will be replaced by future Jeff Green's after that. We probably aren't trading any one of the younger folk next season, but Bamba may be let go if his trajectory doesn't improve drastically. Rest will be given a chance to become future Evan's, AG's and Vuc's while we search for exceptional talent around who we can build a team.