The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

[Mark_83]

If we picked at 6 and had the option of Barnes, Johnson, Moody, or Bouknight who do you want?

Johnson - Most talented player of this group imo, but there are supposedly makeup issues, and Masai values high character players (ironic depending on your view of Siakam's outbursts). Could play him in a Ben Simmons like role as PG with Fred as SG. Johnson could then guard the wing on defense while letting OG cover the shooting guard.

Barnes - Best defender in the group. Most unique skill set as a point forward who can guard all 5 positions. Looks like Giannis when he gets downhill due to his size, strength, length and athleticism, though not that level of player. Could play point center for us like Draymond but might conflict with Pascal's secondary ball handling responsibilities. On paper though, a front court of Pascal, OG, and Barnes could switch on every play with easy. Adds toughness and is a hard worker.

Moody - Best shooter of the group. Elite size and length for a 2 guard. Very smart defender who uses his tools well. Easiest to fit in at the vacant 2 spot if Lowry leaves, pushing Trent to 6th man eventually. Probably highest floor and lowest upside of this group.

Bouknight - Best pure scorer of the group. Reminiscent of Jamal Murray, worse shooter but more explosive athlete. Needs better shot discipline. Not sure how he'd fit with Fred and the rest of the starters though we have a spot up for grabs at SG.

Love what i've seen from Bouknight, 3 level scorer to go along with being a good athlete.
Only downside is he's had some injuries and looks to be slight of frame.

Yeah, to me he looks like a more explosive Murray. I'm also worried about his frame and size though. Is he going to be bullied by the stronger or bigger 2 guards? At least with Moody he's frail but is also 6'6 with a 7 foot wingspan.

[DG88]

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[Marty_Budda]

Scottie Barnes seems like a Masai type of player. Raw but extremely high ceiling due to size, athleticism and being able to defend 1-5. If he develops a reliable jumper that guy will be a problem.

[Bruin]

I’d love to use our two 2nds and something else in a deal to move into the teens to grab this guy. Idk what it would take to get a draft pick in that range but it would be awesome

[Indeed]

Davion Mitchell is a bad man! And I heard the announcers say his nickname is "Off Night", which is amazing.

I was thinking of a comp and Ben Gordon came to mind.

That would be a good get for an elite 6th man drafted in the late teens/20's.

No way, he is more Lowry lite. Even he can't shoot like Lowry, his first step is rather good. His defense intensity would be more in line with Lowry.

I have him in the mid-1st. The question for us is that we have Flynn (too many PG/SG on our team) and the 2 PG lineup may not work well (due to lack of talent at C), so I prefer to draft a big or wing.

[Indeed]

If we picked at 6 and had the option of Barnes, Johnson, Moody, or Bouknight who do you want?

Johnson - Most talented player of this group imo, but there are supposedly makeup issues, and Masai values high character players (ironic depending on your view of Siakam's outbursts). Could play him in a Ben Simmons like role as PG with Fred as SG. Johnson could then guard the wing on defense while letting OG cover the shooting guard.

Barnes - Best defender in the group. Most unique skill set as a point forward who can guard all 5 positions. Looks like Giannis when he gets downhill due to his size, strength, length and athleticism, though not that level of player. Could play point center for us like Draymond but might conflict with Pascal's secondary ball handling responsibilities. On paper though, a front court of Pascal, OG, and Barnes could switch on every play with easy. Adds toughness and is a hard worker.

Moody - Best shooter of the group. Elite size and length for a 2 guard. Very smart defender who uses his tools well. Easiest to fit in at the vacant 2 spot if Lowry leaves, pushing Trent to 6th man eventually. Probably highest floor and lowest upside of this group.

Bouknight - Best pure scorer of the group. Reminiscent of Jamal Murray, worse shooter but more explosive athlete. Needs better shot discipline. Not sure how he'd fit with Fred and the rest of the starters though we have a spot up for grabs at SG.

Love what i've seen from Bouknight, 3 level scorer to go along with being a good athlete.
Only downside is he's had some injuries and looks to be slight of frame.

Yeah, to me he looks like a more explosive Murray. I'm also worried about his frame and size though. Is he going to be bullied by the stronger or bigger 2 guards? At least with Moody he's frail but is also 6'6 with a 7 foot wingspan.

I have him after Barnes.
Downside is not the injury or frame, the downside is his court vision and passing. He is better than Powell on that aspect, and should be fine being a starting SG, but worst case would be a 6th man being gamble too much on defense, while not passing the ball enough (since he can finish). His steals fits into our system as well.

[Indeed]

My worst case for him is James Johnson. Similar size, length, strength, and athleticism. Brings toughness and defense with questionable shooting. Both can handle the ball but Barnes takes care of it better.

May not be as athletic as James Johnson, which is why I feel more like MCW, who is worse than James Johnson. I think his decision making (questionable shooting / passing) is better than Jalen Johnson?

Definitely not as good a keeper as Johnson but he's plenty athletic in his own right. He's much more athletic than MCW. Is MCW even a good defender? I haven't seen much outside highlights.

Maybe not as bad as MCW, and he is a very good defender. But a good defender does not mean he is athletic (eg. Lowry), as he may not play above the rim.

Having somewhat a Draymon Green lite defense along with OG and Siakam for switching everyone between 1 - 4 would pretty much shut down most of the teams. VanVleet can play his Box-And-1 lockdown role without switching, and we should generate a bit of fast break with Barnes connecting to Siakam.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

[Bruin]

Davion Mitchell is a bad man! And I heard the announcers say his nickname is "Off Night", which is amazing.

I was thinking of a comp and Ben Gordon came to mind.

That would be a good get for an elite 6th man drafted in the late teens/20's.

No way, he is more Lowry lite. Even he can't shoot like Lowry, his first step is rather good. His defense intensity would be more in line with Lowry.

I have him in the mid-1st. The question for us is that we have Flynn (too many PG/SG on our team) and the 2 PG lineup may not work well (due to lack of talent at C), so I prefer to draft a big or wing.

He’s shooting 45% from 3 on 5 attempts per game

[Bruin]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

[Bruin]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

Interesting, I’ll keep an eye on him. Ideally he works his way into the tier with the other guys in the consensus top 5 to make this a 6 player heavy draft

[Psubs]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

That can't shoot.

Let's see who plays better Franz Wagner or Scottie Barnes.

[Morse Code]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

Except with zero scoring ability, no jumper, no post game, nothing but handles and passing. Dude is going to be a huge liability.

[Marty_Budda]

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

Except with zero scoring ability, no jumper, no post game, nothing but handles and passing. Dude is going to be a huge liability.

If he had all of that at his height he’d be the undisputed number one pick lol. There’s a reason he’s not a top 5 talent.

However his ceiling is sky high.

[Indeed]

I was thinking of a comp and Ben Gordon came to mind.

That would be a good get for an elite 6th man drafted in the late teens/20's.

No way, he is more Lowry lite. Even he can't shoot like Lowry, his first step is rather good. His defense intensity would be more in line with Lowry.

I have him in the mid-1st. The question for us is that we have Flynn (too many PG/SG on our team) and the 2 PG lineup may not work well (due to lack of talent at C), so I prefer to draft a big or wing.

He’s shooting 45% from 3 on 5 attempts per game

We were discussing him earlier. The problem being his shooting mechanic, as his free throw shooting below 70% for a guard.

[Indeed]

As the NCAA tournament heads into the Elite 8 let's start looking at some scouting reports of some of this years draftees.

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From the Big Boards, this seems to be the tier we are deciding:
Keon Johnson
Franz Wagner
Jaden Springer
Ziaire Williams
Scottie Barnes
James Bouknight

I think draft combine may change a bit of this, so including the next tier:
Kai Jones
Jalen Johnson
Corey Kispert
Sharife Cooper
Alpheren Sengun
Usman Garuba

[Zan Tabacco]

Yo not gonna lie, Scottie Barnes is very intriguing. He seems like the prototypical Masai pick.

I haven’t seen much of him but I will watch his game against Michigan today

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

Boris Diaw was an elite defender. He along with Ben Wallace is pretty much why every team thinks they can run a small ball lineup. They revolutionized the position and made the small ball 5 viable before Draymond made it fashionable. So I doubt Barnes is a way better defender.

[Morse Code]

He's like Young Boris Diaw with way better defence.

Except with zero scoring ability, no jumper, no post game, nothing but handles and passing. Dude is going to be a huge liability.

If he had all of that at his height he’d be the undisputed number one pick lol. There’s a reason he’s not a top 5 talent.

However his ceiling is sky high.

It’s not just skills that need to be honed over time. He’s missing all of them not just one of two. He literally can not score the ball bro. Big difference between a Ben Simmons who’s explosive with a good scoring touch but no jumper, and Barnes. You said “if he had all of that he’d be the undisputed number one pick” and I’m saying he doesn’t even have a semblance of any of them, like at all. He has Reggie Evans type touch.

[PhilBlackson]

I really can't tell where we land in the draft but praying we stay within the top 8 or so. If we're outside of it I'm hoping we take one of Johnson, Williams, Christopher or Bouknight.

Of those names I'd most want Jalen Johnson.

The kid was a top 5 recruit coming out of highschool and has all the physical gifts you could want with a great skillset to work with. I've said it a few times but I really think his potential can be something of a Gordon/Simmons hybrid. He's not as tall or the passer of Ben and not quite the explosive leaper Gordon is but his game is somewhat a blend of the 2 and that imo is something like a poor man's Bron and would be something comparable to Cade if developed properly and I can't think of a staff I more trust to do so than ours.

He has the size, strength and speed which he showed in college to rip/rebound n run like Simmons to push the ball up court and find the open man but not the reluctance to shoot the ball, in that regard reminds me of Gordon who wasn't a natural shooter but in time became a solid one. If you combine the 2, that's a helluva a player and of course continues to give versatility on the defensive end.

Second to him I'd favor one of Bouknight or Christopher. Each guy to me resembles very slightly lesser versions of some of the best young SGs in the league....with Bouknight being more of a Booker/Murray type but not quite the level of 3pt shooter and Christopher more the Mitchell/Edwards type of athletic scorer. So I'd love to have either.

I could be wrong but Moody reminds me of SG version of Khris Middleton and Williams I'm not sure if he's another Cam Reddish or Stanford really didn't know how to use him but like Cam has some drool worthy skills but you question his fire and consistency. Barnes to me screams something of Draymond/Giannis type and obviously more a Draymond elite role player than MVP in the making but added length from Green. Kai Jones to me looks like another Christian Woods and those names would be all that interest me with Ayo as a honorable mention.